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On December 05 2013 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I won't have much time before monday to spend on this game, so I'd prefer it to start then.
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K, I'm here for a bit before sleep. I'll be here all day tomorrow but gonna post my thoughts on some stuff first:
On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything.
Agree completly w/ holy here. I had the same thoughts reading it. Also worth mentioning is how that first paragraph says absolutely nothing. Just obvious stuff like lurking is bad and people shouldn't spam. It's not like he's using it to call out Xatalos since he says he's just using him as an example. It's just a safe non-confrontational post.
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Also I think the case on cora isn't very good. Most of it seems to stem from his opening post which seemed just fine to me. He said he wants to pressure lurkers and he said he wasn't gonna be super active for two days. People are making it like it's a complete contradiction when it really isn't. If he was actually lurking then maybe you could make a case.
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On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes.
Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons?
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FOSing Xatalos. I agree w/ the whole flinging poo analysis. And this post:On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:04 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't like Xatalos right now and I'm curious if anyone sees what I see before I say why. Gladly oblige. Quick to hop on someone really really unreasonably early and with not the greatest logic in the world? My behavior right off is worse but he votes cora I am so bad I am useful to scum in the lategame, so he would rather mislynch cora who though not perfect, is definitely better at being town than me. Probably not exactly your point but I think you are also seeing the quick to lynch attitude. And the slightly unreasonable aggressiveness. I'm seeing a scattershot that's flinging poo everywhere and found someone to whom it will stick. I don't feel like he's trying to discern anyone's alignment, but rather start chaos and find a nice lynch target. ##Vote Xatalos Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town.
Just really seems like he's trying to explain how he's trying to play to his town meta and he's pissed that Artan isn't seeing it that way.
I'm also noticing that he's giving alot of his reads a qualifier. A bunch of "this guy is scummy but he could be town too" or vice versa.
Check these:
On December 10 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 Spaghetticus wrote:
Xatalos do you think Artanis' point about you scatter-shotting is a good one? Artanis has a good eye. Maybe I ought to calm down a bit. However, I'm tired of slow first days. It feels good to get something going fast. Do you think my pressure on you is indicative of my alignment? Hard to say. I'd say slightly leaning town based on the fact that you're apparently trying to unravel my alignment. But I think you're a veteran player? How many games have you played? In that sense, it could possibly be almost anything.
On December 10 2013 07:36 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh wait I can just click profile here. 15. OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say.
On December 10 2013 08:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information. On December 10 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more? On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit. Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote:
I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: On November 21 2013 01:00 Corazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. These are definitely some good points. It's surely premature to declare Corazon as today's lynch, but it would be a good pick in the current situation. I dislike Artanis's dismissal of Corazon's play as well, but I doubt Artanis and Corazon would be scum together. It would seem risky to make a connection like that. That's WIFOM, though.
On December 10 2013 08:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 08:12 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:04 Spaghetticus wrote:
Slam is actively obfuscating his intentions with spam. I don't like.
Corazon is a candidate for lynch day one, I'm waiting to see how he responds.
I am suspicious of you, but I think that is more a product of you being in the spotlight rather than any real problems I've got with you so far. I will continue to pay attention to your responses. Hmm, okay. When you say you don't "like", do you mean as in scummy or annoying? Dunno, Thanatos. What do you think? Judging by his vote, probably scummy. But it could be just an empty vote, I guess.
On December 10 2013 08:25 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 08:16 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 08:12 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:04 Spaghetticus wrote:
Slam is actively obfuscating his intentions with spam. I don't like.
Corazon is a candidate for lynch day one, I'm waiting to see how he responds.
I am suspicious of you, but I think that is more a product of you being in the spotlight rather than any real problems I've got with you so far. I will continue to pay attention to your responses. Hmm, okay. When you say you don't "like", do you mean as in scummy or annoying? Dunno, Thanatos. What do you think? Judging by his vote, probably scummy. But it could be just an empty vote, I guess. Be not dodging the question as askt What do you think? I think you're being suicidal if you're scum, so it's a bit more likely that you're town, but overall somewhat null so far.
Does he have any reads he's confident about?
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On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes. Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons?
So never got an answer to this Spag. And how come when you finally came back to the thread, you totally ignore slam? Did you find his posts in that time to be usefull?
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On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town.
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On December 11 2013 00:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier? The scummy part is what I bolded. Saying that your vote "is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards." is what's scummy.
Like, what if nobody else is voting slam close to the deadline? Are you planning on wasting it and leaving it on him?
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On December 11 2013 00:46 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier? The scummy part is what I bolded. Saying that your vote "is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards." is what's scummy. Like, what if nobody else is voting slam close to the deadline? Are you planning on wasting it and leaving it on him? I don't see the issue. Well... I see it, but I don't see why you see it as such a big deal. It's sort of a minor offense, considering the caliber of misdemeanor hoodie-swaggering around the thread. You keep pussyfooting around my question w/o giving me a direct answer. So I'm gonna say that this is basically you saying: YES, you plan on wasting your vote if slam isn't one of the leading wagons.
Feel free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting.
I don't understand how you can say that you don't see that as a big deal.
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On December 11 2013 01:17 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 00:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:46 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier? The scummy part is what I bolded. Saying that your vote "is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards." is what's scummy. Like, what if nobody else is voting slam close to the deadline? Are you planning on wasting it and leaving it on him? I don't see the issue. Well... I see it, but I don't see why you see it as such a big deal. It's sort of a minor offense, considering the caliber of misdemeanor hoodie-swaggering around the thread. You keep pussyfooting around my question w/o giving me a direct answer. So I'm gonna say that this is basically you saying: YES, you plan on wasting your vote if slam isn't one of the leading wagons.Feel free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting. I don't understand how you can say that you don't see that as a big deal. Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town. + Show Spoiler +
I plagiarised the above paragraph on the offchance Slam is a lazy town. I don't want him to click the spoiler and thought it less likely if there was more volume to my post, and if it felt like something he'd read before.
FFS. How am I supposed to pressure someone into playing the game if you won't leave me alone? I was posturing to get him to actually do something. Maybe he won't bother clicking the spoiler... He probably will. The vote is a non-issue. Votes don't mean anything until someone actually hangs. If you are town, you should have let me do this then jumped me D2. The amount of posturing bullshit that goes on and you decide to tunnel mine... You have my attention now, this doesn't seem to have been conducted with a townie mind-set.
OK, but it's unnecessary. If he doesn't stop playing that way. Then he'll get vigged or lynched. Your vote should be enough. The whole thing about not moving it no matter what isn't needed.
The reason I wanted to get you to take a firm stance is because if you're scum, then come deadline time, you have a conveinient excuse to not vote if it doesn't look like your team needs it. And if your vote is needed then you can go ahead and say that you were just "posturing to get [slam] to actually do something".
So sorry if you're town and I ruined your plan but I think it's important to know that you are taking responsibility for where your vote will end up.
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On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Yes, but if I'm scum I'll be even more accountable once I've actually committed an action like that, and you have more chance of catching me. Did you read what I wrote? My whole point was that you could either stick w/ your stance or change it and both would look fine for you. I made you commit ahead of time so you couldn't base your decision on who the main wagons were gonna be @ the deadline.
On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
I think it's fair to say that the bulk of your contribution is getting me to explain some meaningless D1 play. You're a more experienced player than I, what would your opinion be if someone else had done the same as you have? Would you think them red? Silly question. Obviously I don't think my play is scummy.
On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Do you think me red? If so, have you any reason other than the possibility that I was looking to negate my vote? I think you look better now that you admitted that you're not gonna keep your vote locked.
[B]On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:[/B
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I've posted reads. Is there someone specific you'd like me to comment on?
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On December 11 2013 02:14 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Yes, but if I'm scum I'll be even more accountable once I've actually committed an action like that, and you have more chance of catching me. Did you read what I wrote? My whole point was that you could either stick w/ your stance or change it and both would look fine for you. I made you commit ahead of time so you couldn't base your decision on who the main wagons were gonna be @ the deadline. On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
I think it's fair to say that the bulk of your contribution is getting me to explain some meaningless D1 play. You're a more experienced player than I, what would your opinion be if someone else had done the same as you have? Would you think them red? Silly question. Obviously I don't think my play is scummy. On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Do you think me red? If so, have you any reason other than the possibility that I was looking to negate my vote? I think you look better now that you admitted that you're not gonna keep your vote locked. [B]On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:[/B
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I've posted reads. Is there someone specific you'd like me to comment on? Really? You don't think a 10post filter scummy at this point? You don't think zeroing in on one relevant but minor detail for half of these isn't worth talking about? You've made other reads? Would you mind copy-pasting them in their entirety for dramatic effect? (it shouldn't take long) No, a 10 post filter isn't scummy at this point. People can post @ different times of the day. when I'm @ work (right now) is when I'm most available. Furthermore I think my posts all have pretty good content. It's not like I'm posting spammy one-liners.
Yes, I think zeroing in a minor detail is scummy. I don't think what I was zeroing in on was minor. You obviously disagree. And if you gave me your simple answer when I asked for it, I wouldn't have mentioned it again.
You can click my filter if want the reads I've already made.
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On December 11 2013 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
another post from bum with 0 town indicative content.
Why is speghetti scum? Mind answering this bum?
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On December 11 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town.
Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring.
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On December 11 2013 03:56 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town. Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring. i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir? btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern. Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold.
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My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied.
I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well.
You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is.
What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town.
So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying.
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On December 11 2013 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD i don't think that's alignment indicative. Mafia can be (and actually is) anti-town too.
What do you think of Grack & purple?
Grack isn't scummy to me. Null I'd say.
Leaning scum on Purple after a reread. His whole thing w/ "asking if LSB wanted him to reveal his identity and then calling him scum when he says sure" seems contrived to me. Like I'm not sure why he voted LSB (or unvoted him for that matter) in the first place.
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On December 11 2013 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that pandain is in college and probably taking finals right now, so I expect him to be pretty afk regardless of alignment Got any reads?
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On December 11 2013 05:37 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 04:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 03:56 kushm4sta wrote:On December 11 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town. Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring. i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir? btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern. Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold.
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##vote jarjar My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied. I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well. You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is. What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town.So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying. Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there.
This sentence:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
Please tell me your reason for stating it. Does cora voting for himself make him more likely to be scum? Cause that's what I assummed you were getting at.
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Hey, just want to apologize for my inactivity. I hate when people people give real life excuses so I wont. I'll just say sorry and I'll try to make up for it going forward.
Been following loosely the last bunch of pages. Gonna catch up for real and will post my thoughts shortly.
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