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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 28 2013 15:33 GMT
#11
/in
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 28 2013 16:31 GMT
#21
On July 29 2013 00:58 DrParnassus wrote:
just another reminder that everyone must participate in the nightly (24 hr phase) voting each night... please take this into account before signing up


In my opinion you should never join a game of Mafia if you're unsure about being able to post/vote at least every 24 hours... Although something unexpected might happen of course. Nothing you can do in that case, but it still sucks for your fellow players :/

This game is filling up unbelievably fast by the way :O

When is the deadline? Is the game starting today if people sign up fast enough?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 28 2013 20:42 GMT
#28
On July 29 2013 02:34 Promethelax wrote:
I've only been gone for two months, where the hell did all these new faces come from?


Valar Dohaeris
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 07:06 GMT
#42
On July 29 2013 14:12 Chezinu wrote:
Rise the House of Chezinu!!!


I will Lord over the House and Cast thou vote for thee house! Whoever lives with me will understand the rules of the House of Chezinu. In the past, the House of Chezinu has tried to fight without their leader. But in this world, you who choose to live with Chezinu will be able to learn it truly means to be apart of the House of Chezinu! We will establish the house of thoughts. We will decorate our House with an emblem that is symbolic of our nature. We will devise a order that reflects our chaos! We will Rise! We will Live! We will Live IN THE HOUSE OF CHEZINU!!! Lord Chezinu shall reign the House of Chezinu! Long Live Lord Chezinu!!!

/in


Oh noes... Chezinu has landed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 07:42 GMT
#44
Chezinu, whatever will you do if you never get elected as the House Lord
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 09:21 GMT
#46
"Town wins when all non-town are eliminated. Mafia wins when all non-mafia are eliminated, or nothing can prevent this from happening."

So I guess there are no 3rd parties? At least Survivor is impossible from this wording, but something like SK might still be possible (although made less likely by the later part where only town&Mafia HP are "tracked").
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 09:30 GMT
#49
Heh. Actually nevermind that last part. I read something wrong in the setup post.

By the way, is the House Lord KP silent or announced?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 10:26 GMT
#52
On July 29 2013 18:38 DrParnassus wrote:
silent

Answers to questions will be posted here.


That's a neat idea actually
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 10:38 GMT
#54
On July 29 2013 19:35 Onegu wrote:
Is it wrong I want to be lord Robert Arryn


Yes
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 13:16 GMT
#57
On July 29 2013 22:04 gumshoe wrote:
/in


Gummy!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 29 2013 14:29 GMT
#60
On July 29 2013 22:27 Onegu wrote:
I havent watched the show, but robert arryn was in the first two books and I doubt they left him out of the show but I will stop.


Roles are distributed randomly anyways. I doubt the role PMs will have any meaningful spoilers
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 30 2013 05:58 GMT
#75
The current starting time and player amount seem good to me. I have more time on weekends anyway. I'm somewhat open to more players though (if there is real demand).

On July 30 2013 08:30 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:16 Xatalos wrote:
On July 29 2013 22:04 gumshoe wrote:
/in


Gummy!


fuck, your in this game to? I was looking forward to actually playing, now I have to lurk...


What have I done to you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 30 2013 18:08 GMT
#80
On July 30 2013 19:51 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 22:25 Oberyn wrote:
On July 28 2013 23:16 DrParnassus wrote:
During each night cycle, players must select someone from their individual houses to become the Lord of their house for the entirety of the upcoming cycle. Ex: Night 0, Hodor is elected lord. Hodor will be Lord during all of day 1, both day and night phase. This is done by players pming the host their vote, with plurality voting mechanics, whoever gets most votes first wins etc.


Would it make more sense to break ties randomly, rather than the first person to send in their vote? I imagine there will be a lot of 1-1 ties (or even 1-1-1) and rewarding a player based on being in a favorable time zone to send their vote in first seems a bit unfair.


Yes, I will update the OP with this later. I've been debating on whether I should do it that way or the original way. This is partially why I'm open to the idea of having more players, because it seems like that'd make ties happen less often.

I'm not going to have internet for the next couple days so I'll see you all then. As soon as I get online I'll look through the suggestions and decide on the start date.


Does the player permanently become a Lord after becoming the last remaining player of his House?

I think this system works fine as long there are 3+ players in a House. Once there are only 2 players, it gets kind of ridiculous (basically an automatic 1-1 situation unless the other player is confirmed town). When there's only 1 player left, well... It pretty much defeats the purpose of this system (no matter if he permanently becomes a Lord or loses his way of becoming a Lord).

I feel like something major should be changed in order to make this system more functional. Here are some ideas:
1) Making 5 Houses with 4 players (adding 2 new players, for example the replacements or other new players) - increasing the amount of time where the voting system mostly remains "working as intended"
2) Giving players different "vote values" with their roles - this would resolve the tie issue (these "vote values" could be balanced with the rest of balance-changing role factors)
3) Making the *requirement* for becoming a Lord to receive majority votes (2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 depending on the remaining players) - this solution would also resolve the tie issue - you'd have to decide between no Lord at all or someone else than you being Lord

Thoughts?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 31 2013 06:04 GMT
#82
On July 31 2013 10:04 Chromatically wrote:
What's the problem with the last player in the house being permanent lord? I think that's just something to take into consideration when choosing lynches/nks.

I like the idea of "vote values" for the 2 player houses, though.


Well, that's true I guess. Still, it feels a bit counter-intuitive that your House becomes "stronger" / better as your fellow players within the House die. That kind of encourages you to preferably get rid of your own House members first instead of other players.... And that makes the House members against each other more than against other Houses. Although maybe that somehow weirdly fits into the theme Dunno...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 31 2013 17:42 GMT
#89
Maybe we should have more players after all? Looks like we have lots of new players incoming.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 31 2013 17:45 GMT
#90
On July 31 2013 22:53 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 10:04 Chromatically wrote:
What's the problem with the last player in the house being permanent lord? I think that's just something to take into consideration when choosing lynches/nks.


It's difficult to say how things will work out without knowing the roles, house distribution or how the kp are balanced, but with only 6 votes, mafia would need to control only three houses each day to control the lynch or two houses to force town to vote perfectly. Mafia can manipulate the night hits to eliminate 1-2 lords of the houses they don't control and obtain the runner-up Lordship. Furthermore, 1-2 mafia would likely get selected as Lords through the Lord selection vote. The mafia also have the option of targeting their own house with night kills to guarantee Lordship. I'm just worried things might spiral out of control with mafia having too much influence in the day cycle too quickly.


I agree that it seems a bit too advantageous for Mafia to probably get majority in the voting by D3-D4. Although this problem might fade away if we increase the player amount, I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 01 2013 07:12 GMT
#93
So we have 3 excess players right now... I'm open to waiting a bit more and starting with more players, although I'd prefer starting sooner rather than later (more RL obligations approaching in the near future :/).

Btw if the vote value idea gets implemented, I think the values should be hidden. Maybe they should also be completely random in order to avoid setup/balance WIFOM... That might seem like "just luck", but actually it's not when you know what you got beforehand. It's completely different to play poker compared to rolling a dice, for example Any feedback on this? At the moment, I think it's a better solution than full random tie results or rewarding the faster voter, but it's hard to say how it might play out in practice.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 01 2013 07:15 GMT
#94
Requiring a majority to elect a Lord (my third idea earlier)... Not so sure about that one anymore. It could result in too many Houses not electing a Lord at all. Any feedback anyway?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 01 2013 09:54 GMT
#97
On August 01 2013 17:23 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 03:08 Xatalos wrote:
3) Making the *requirement* for becoming a Lord to receive majority votes (2-0, 2-1 or 3-1 depending on the remaining players) - this solution would also resolve the tie issue - you'd have to decide between no Lord at all or someone else than you being Lord

Thoughts?


This was originally how I had it set up. I might change it to this because I think that's more interesting, but with the extra players per house a change isn't needed.

actually fuck it imma do it. that was how i originally wanted to do things, yall just gonna have to cope with the extra in-house tension


Haha okay. At least that removes the "luck factor" and possible timezone advantage. The worst case scenario, though, is Mafia forcing non-elections where they can't win - but on the other hand, it's too dangerous to do that too clearly What about the vote value idea? And what happens when someone is the last remaining player in a House?

Monday is okay with me. Sign up people! (Btw what's so bad about weekend starts? More people AFK at the start?)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 01 2013 16:28 GMT
#102
"When raynpelikoneet claimed he nuked Meapak, he created a lie under no pressure, knowing he has said something else earlier. Then he created a back up plan for the lie because MZ is going to catch him on something that would not exist without the claim."

>_<
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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