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Pikaqiu
Profile Joined March 2013
Singapore8 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 03:12:20
May 08 2013 01:33 GMT
#1
Remember that person named Pucca? Well I am his friend Lanzo, just writing this OP for him as he hopes to share his efforts and knowledge with what he calls the "most prestigious Brood War tournament".

I would like to ask everyone, personally, not to attack my friend here. He is simply sharing knowledge that he hopes that will aid the TLS production crew thank you!

There seems to be some confusion. I don't know what any of this shit does but, in the video he specifies that the tournament does not need use everything in this setup. This was a mere recommendation. I used "A Method" in the title for a reason. This is recommendation or rather, a reference point to pick and choose what this tournament wants

Here is his guide for the TLS crew informing of how to use and setup correctly.


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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 08 2013 01:51 GMT
#2
The TLS team is obviously aware of these tools, so it was a deliberate decision not to use them.

Also lol Pucca.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 08 2013 01:52 GMT
#3
I can't be the only one who thinks that all the information available with stuff like this actually takes away from the excitement of watching a game. You know, instead of going ''Holy shit, is he gonna get dark swarm finished before that army arrives?'' you just calmly look at the production tab and go ''The upgrade will finish in 10 seconds, well in time for him to hold this attack off''. I mean, it's useful when watching reps for learning purposes, but for sheer entertainment, I don't like it. One of the things I don't like about SC2.
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dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
May 08 2013 01:55 GMT
#4
On May 08 2013 10:52 Holgerius wrote:
I can't be the only one who thinks that all the information available with stuff like this actually takes away from the excitement of watching a game. You know, instead of going ''Holy shit, is he gonna get dark swarm finished before that army arrives?'' you just calmly look at the production tab and go ''The upgrade will finish in 10 seconds, well in time for him to hold this attack off''. I mean, it's useful when watching reps for learning purposes, but for sheer entertainment, I don't like it. One of the things I don't like about SC2.


This sums up what I was going to say nicely. The suspense is very important.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 08 2013 02:33 GMT
#5
please spend less time posting here and more time practicing last hitting.
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
May 08 2013 02:41 GMT
#6
Yeah can we please not use this? I've given up the fight against the production tab in sc2 but certainly dont want it spreading over here. >_>
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
May 08 2013 02:52 GMT
#7
On May 08 2013 10:51 endy wrote:
The TLS team is obviously aware of these tools, so it was a deliberate decision not to use them.

Also lol Pucca.

this man speaks the truth. a) that's pucca not "your friend"
b) we had big discussions about this issue and landed with what we presented in TLS1
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 08 2013 03:13 GMT
#8
Pucca be honest here, did you really expect us to believe this was "your friend"?
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eeniebear
Profile Joined February 2010
United States197 Posts
May 08 2013 03:52 GMT
#9
On May 08 2013 10:52 Holgerius wrote:
I can't be the only one who thinks that all the information available with stuff like this actually takes away from the excitement of watching a game. You know, instead of going ''Holy shit, is he gonna get dark swarm finished before that army arrives?'' you just calmly look at the production tab and go ''The upgrade will finish in 10 seconds, well in time for him to hold this attack off''. I mean, it's useful when watching reps for learning purposes, but for sheer entertainment, I don't like it. One of the things I don't like about SC2.


A thousand times THIS.
SmoKKeY
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States55 Posts
May 08 2013 03:55 GMT
#10
On May 08 2013 12:13 heyoka wrote:
Pucca be honest here, did you really expect us to believe this was "your friend"?


I think it's quite obvious he is not the brightest crayon in the box, so the correct answer here is sadly probably "yes" ;;
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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
May 08 2013 04:23 GMT
#11
On May 08 2013 12:52 eeniebear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 10:52 Holgerius wrote:
I can't be the only one who thinks that all the information available with stuff like this actually takes away from the excitement of watching a game. You know, instead of going ''Holy shit, is he gonna get dark swarm finished before that army arrives?'' you just calmly look at the production tab and go ''The upgrade will finish in 10 seconds, well in time for him to hold this attack off''. I mean, it's useful when watching reps for learning purposes, but for sheer entertainment, I don't like it. One of the things I don't like about SC2.


A thousand times THIS.

Agreed...if you're watching reps to improve or if you're going day9 mode to analyze stuff it's useful as hell but BW games are to manly for that shit
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tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 19:41:56
May 08 2013 05:15 GMT
#12
Pucca, please stop peddling your shitty broadcasting methodologies here. People don't use your crap because you go about things in some of the dumbest ways possible, namely:

1) Running a second copy of BW in a VM to screencap another window that's not even inside the game anyway. What? This is like cutting your arm off to be able to scratch your own back, completely ridiculous.

2) 992x558 resolution... wtf. How much crack do you have to smoke to think this is a sensible resolution to use? BW natively runs in 640x480. A 16x9 720p broadcast is 1280x720. Notice how neither of those resolutions match up to your chosen resolution at all?

3) "All you have to do is start both games at the same time, just click this button here, and then click this other button here that you can't actually see cause of the overlay but trust me its there!" Yeah. Dumb.

4) Using BattleSC, a program made by some shady guys who promptly dipped out of the scene and deleted their site when I accused them of trying to scam people for money. Sounds promising!

Next time you have suggestions for the TLS staff, you should PM them directly instead of grandstanding your bullshit in the BW forums. Then they could reply to you directly, tell you your ideas suck, and you wouldn't have to look like even more of a moron here. None of these programs are black magic, they're all incredibly easy to change. If you actually spent some time learning things instead of trying to Rube Goldberg your way out of everything, maybe you'd have figured that out by now. And maybe people would actually give you some respect. But instead you're here posting as 'Lanzo' because you think we're all dumb enough to believe it. Go fuck yourself.

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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 06:25:01
May 08 2013 06:18 GMT
#13
I would support showing what the OSL? showed- Money, army supply, worker supply etc. But I am adamantly against the Production tab as others have already detailed.

Edit.
And I don't want to use a spyglass to view BW. Way too zoomed out to get the viceral experience.

lol. This looks like such a ghetto set up.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 08 2013 07:26 GMT
#14
On May 08 2013 15:18 Falling wrote:
I would support showing what the OSL? showed- Money, army supply, worker supply etc. But I am adamantly against the Production tab as others have already detailed.

Edit.
And I don't want to use a spyglass to view BW. Way too zoomed out to get the viceral experience.

lol. This looks like such a ghetto set up.


I think that's also what TSL went with? Although the supply is a little weird because it doesn't account for units being made.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10232 Posts
May 08 2013 07:33 GMT
#15
On May 08 2013 14:15 tec27 wrote:
Pucca, please stop peddling your shitty broadcasting methodologies here. People don't use your crap because you go about things in some of the dumbest ways possible, namely:

1) Running a second copy of BW in a VM to screencap another window that's not even inside the game anyway. What? This is like cutting your arm off to be able to scratch your own back, completely ridiculous.

2) 992x558 resolution... wtf. How much crack do you have to smoke to think this is a sensible resolution to use? BW natively runs in 640x480. A 16x9 720p broadcast is 1280x720. Notice how neither of those resolutions match up to your chosen resolution at all?

3) "All you have to do is start both games at the same time, just click this button here, and then click this other button here that you can't actually see cause of the overlay but trust me its there!" Yeah. Dumb.

4) Using BattleSC, a program made by some shady guys who promptly dipped out of the scene and deleted their site when I accused them of trying to scam people for money. Sounds promising!

Next time you have suggestions for the TLS staff, you should PM them directly instead of grandstanding your bullshit in the BW forums. Then they could reply to you directly, tell you your ideas suck, and you wouldn't have to look like even more of a moron here. None of these programs are black magic, they're all incredibly easy to change. If you actually spent some time learning things instead of trying to Rube Goldberg your way out of everything, maybe you'd have figured that out by now. And maybe people would actually give you some respect. But instead you're here posting as 'Lanzo' because you think we're all dumb enough to believe it. Go fuck yourself.

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Honestly, if you accept that the person has problems, you should tone it down a little... People can't help how they were born or raised.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 08 2013 08:52 GMT
#16
Yo Pucca, this isn't the best way of doing widescreen anymore. You don't need to use the virtual machine at all, you can capture everything off a single widescreen windowed mode. Also, the resolution of 992x558 is just a little bigger than most people like, I found that people don't care/do like it if it's essentially widescreen of 640x480 (so just stretched wider, I use 864x468 when I stream). But if you make it that much bigger and wider then it's enough to make people complain, so I'd suggest scaling it down to 864x468.

tec27, not only do you sound like you don't know what you're talking about, you also are acting like a complete prick, entirely unnecessarily.
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SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
May 08 2013 09:21 GMT
#17
On May 08 2013 15:18 Falling wrote:
I would support showing what the OSL? showed- Money, army supply, worker supply etc. But I am adamantly against the Production tab as others have already detailed.

Edit.
And I don't want to use a spyglass to view BW. Way too zoomed out to get the viceral experience.

lol. This looks like such a ghetto set up.

I agree 100% with this. Knowing resource count + supply is fine. Production tab is not. Kind of takes away the excitement/suspense.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
May 08 2013 10:29 GMT
#18
This isn't going so well...
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