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On October 21 2012 00:13 Djodref wrote: I don't worry about inactives, they are always mafia and get modkilled or lynched D1 ! Solid logic, 10/10 | ||
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You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard" Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard. You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day. You are advocating chaos. If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything. ##FoS debears | ||
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On October 26 2012 01:15 Dandel Ion wrote: As I get Ninja'd, a wild Clarity appears. Will be active from now on, just didn't have it in the back of my head to check TL a lot. Now that the game has started I will basically be checking as much as possible. | ||
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On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote: Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it? Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out I am reading the thread, yes. I realize the confidence thing isn't your only contribution but it is the one that stands out. On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote: Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me??? I don't know either, but the fact that you pointed it out is interesting. Djo agreed with you about the confidence thing at the start of the day, and now he's answering your questions and defending you. When you made your case against Rad, he responded like this: On October 25 2012 17:20 Djodref wrote: Nice case, I need to discuss a little more with rad before voting him. A completely blank statement, yet still backing you. I urge everyone to remember this because I feel like it will be important down the road. @Dandel He is promoting discussion which is good. As I said, more information makes for better reads. My problem with it was how he was making an emotional argument, rather than a logical one. "If we all just pursue even the slightest whiff of scum we should all dogpile on it and don't look back!" Followed by him voting for someone. I think unless someone slips lynching a lurker is the best move for town, even if the person that got lynched turns out to be town. This is a last resort though, if we cannot agree on anything solid. We should continue asking questions the way you have. The more scum has to post, the bigger the chance they will either slip up or stand out for how thought out and precise their posts are. Inig is odd so far. His posts are all blank statements that don't further discussion. This is generally a scum trait but can be found in newer players as well. Saying things like Rad and debears should "watch out for eachother" because they come from different angles or pointing out that someone asked a good question. | ||
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On October 26 2012 02:23 Djodref wrote: I have to go to bed so I'm not going to be able to see the case against me. Sorry, Alsn... @dandel I understand your stance about policy lynch. I guess it's just that we have different experience from our previous games. I liked your explanations but I'm not going to change my mind about it. Moreover, if we have to go for a policy lynch today, I would prefer to lynch a lurker like Inig (semi-lurker) than a complete lurker. Could you please expand upon this? | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:11 Dandel Ion wrote: What scumhunting exactly? I didn't ever see you do something that would qualify as such. To be devils advocate for a second, I imagine he means he's scouring the comments intently. Whereas your definition of scumhunting is probably closer to "actively engage with people to make them mess up" It does seem rather convenient to be the silent observer and just come in every now and then and say "well, found no scum. Sorry guys, did my best, maybe next day!" | ||
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Unless you can say right now, that because of the smileys it makes him lean towards scum or town. Regardless of smileys or no smileys in his posts from this moment, you changed his posts. He will now either: Stop posting smileys because he got told it made him look guilty (both scum and town would do this) OR he will continue posting smileys because it would look weird to change the way you post (both scum and town would do this) I also dug this up: On October 22 2012 08:12 Djodref wrote: gg guys, I was happy to play with you, it was a fun game ^^ Also thank you thrawn for the meta warning, I've started to put smileys everywhere after that  I was not sure how to play it during D1 but after that I found my "story" and I stuck to it | ||
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On October 26 2012 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yeah, I think I got it. I'll pardon dj for that. I see in the last mafia game he is doing much the same in his posts, so i can't fault him for it. I think this might be the most townie-phrase I've ever heard. | ||
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On October 26 2012 01:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Well, I'm sure you have more thoughts than just a FoS on debears for "advocating chaos" So, how about you present those for now. I think "advocating chaos" is actually a good argument on its own, however.... + Show Spoiler [Gathered quotes] + On October 25 2012 10:26 debears wrote: What are you saying here exactly? Policy lynches are by no means a necessity. If we are confident and push reads, like dp did last game, then the scum will show. Why do you lack the confidence of catching scum d1? FOS dandel Btw guys officially postjng from phone for rest of night. Tell me if something gets messes up and u can't read On October 25 2012 11:39 debears wrote: I might be. But, consider this. How did that slip from kush come about? Darthpunks heavy pressure.....duh. policy lynches, on the other hand, are usually caused by passivity or something like a claim. Besides, its fairly easy to discuss policy lynches. Its not easy to be confident. I learned my mistake last game. I didn't stick to a read til the SDM case. I basically said screw it and went with it. Where did that confidence get me? On October 25 2012 13:15 debears wrote: Ok this phone posting iw hard. Forgive th disorganization. Confidence has everything to do with d1. If everyone is confident and pushes cases, then scum will be forced to do the same. That is the key. We need to force scumcto contribute early My confidence led to me making a game winning case on arguably the most townie looking player (who was the last scum) On October 25 2012 13:18 debears wrote: Very well djo. I found the wording of seriously strong for your post. Can you clarify why you have a sudden 180 on confidence on day 1 from your last game as town? On October 25 2012 13:24 debears wrote: Rad, I understand what you're saying. However, you are misinterpretjng my words. I'm not saying go on a tunneling spree. I'm saying have the confidence to make a case on anyone and pursue that case until you find that person town or someone else more scummy On October 25 2012 13:33 debears wrote: Why are you so focused on lynching a lurker over a scumread right now imo lurker lynches are last resorts to scumreads. If a lurker has a scumread, that's a bonus. Why do you keep pressing this "artificial confidence" thing when newbie games are notorious for lurking (usually caused by fear/lack of confidence) and lack of confidence? On October 25 2012 13:45 debears wrote: That is the statement I'm talking about. Am i missing something here? Can someone help me out? You don't understand having confidence to pusb d1 scum reads over lurkers? What do scum want? Easy lynchs. Who are easy lynches? Lurkers. FOS Rad On October 25 2012 13:48 debears wrote: Actually, that's a scumslip ##Vote Rad "If we are confident and push reads, like dp did last game, then the scum will show. Why do you lack the confidence of catching scum d1?" First mention of the term confident "Its not easy to be confident. I learned my mistake last game. I didn't stick to a read til the SDM case. I basically said screw it and went with it. Where did that confidence get me?" Second, trying to enforce that being confident is a good thing "My confidence led to me making a game winning case on arguably the most townie looking player (who was the last scum)" Same story "Can you clarify why you have a sudden 180 on confidence on day 1 from your last game as town?" Someone "lacks confidence", better ask insinuating questions "have the confidence to make a case on anyone and pursue that case until you find that person town or someone else more scummy" Yeah, confidence! "newbie games are notorious for lurking (usually caused by fear/lack of confidence) and lack of confidence?" Guys, you just don't get it, be confident! "You don't understand having confidence to pusb d1 scum reads over lurkers? What do scum want? Easy lynchs. Who are easy lynches? Lurkers. Actually, that's a scumslip ##Vote Rad" Using backwards logic, followed by casting his vote, which he later withdrew without explaining It's easy to retort: What do townies want? Active town. What doesn't contribute to an active town? Lurkers. We never see him use the word confident again after he casts his vote On October 26 2012 01:21 debears wrote: Ok. But what individually makes us stand out as scum? I'm going to reread the thread a couple of times tonight and figure this all out. ##Unvote No explanation, nothing, just withdraws his vote that he so casually cast. The whole confidence thing is weird to me. He has a thematic history of posting in this thread, as if it's planned out. If he planned it out as scum, his actions make sense. Trying to appeal to your emotions, trying to turn the word confidence into his own little buzzword. If he planned it out as town, actually trying to help the town think critically and relentless towards possible scum, why would he vote for Rad, who has made decent points and questioned people? Let me ask everyone this: Who is more likely to plan out how they will behave day 1, town or scum? | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I may be having trouble reading this, the wordy is a bit odd/choppy: How is this backwards logic? Should town not be more focused on good scum reads on d1 than lurkers? Ofcourse town should focus on getting reads and forcing people to explain themselves. Rad said "if we have no good lynch option we should probably lynch a semi-lurker as a policy" debear's argument was against a strawman. Rad didn't say "fuck it, I have no clue whos scum, just lynch the lurkers". "Anyone who wants to lynch a semi-lurker over a crappy guess/hunch must be scum" is just backwards. | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:54 Djodref wrote: @Clarity I was talking with Dandel about policy lynch, especially the fact that you have to agree early about it or not. I don't think it's good to establish a policy early and I'm not going to change my mind, even if dandel has good arguments for it. Why did you pick on this sentence ? As you can see I basically insta-posted this response when you made your post. Reason being it's a bit wishy-washy. "I agree with you but I'm not gonna change my mind" It doesn't add up | ||
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On October 26 2012 09:45 Djodref wrote: @Rad I know Alsn town's play and I find him not fitting his meta. I intend to get some strong response to my post. I'm provoking him on purpose. Regarding your concerns about me not changing my mind, have they been addressed or not ? Wait why are you talking about Alsn now? | ||
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On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote: @Clarity I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch. By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ? What do you think of Inig ? On October 26 2012 02:04 Djodref wrote: I'm not against a policy lynch but I think it would be better to bring it up when the right time comes (like 6 hours before the lynch ? anyway at a time we can finally identify some serious lurker). Taking an early decision against or for policy lynches is just going to help mafia to use this decision on their favor. Anyway, a lot of people seem to favor a policy lynch for today. I'm not going to go against it but I would appreciate these people to get into super scumhunting mode right now. I'm not going to forgive laziness at all, especially if you are supporting a policy lynch. By the way, what do you think about Inig ? On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me  What do you think about Inig ? | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:09 debears wrote: ^^^^popcorn over endgame post Me and Roco made it quite hard on town to be fair. I want to apologize to everyone involved in this game. I sent a pm when I shouldn't have. I wasn't aware of the no pm rule at the time, but ignorance is not an excuse. Well played by mafia, I think during D3 town could have figured it out, and just prayed that roco would show up again. Unfortunately, he didn't. | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:15 Inigmaticalism wrote: Im so bad I probably wouldnt have caught it. I didnt know my own name til thrawn just posted it. Although I do feel better that I was 2/3rds right the WHOLE GAME. Maybe I should actually play mafia again some day. I'm glad to hear this after your post 20-some pages ago. | ||
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