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JingleHell
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JingleHell
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On September 30 2012 14:15 Drazerk wrote: I disagree the set up speculation would start again when all the Europeans wake up because your little idea was poorly managed. To me it just looks like a third party realizing they had done something silly and trying to back out of it before they are caught out without realizing their excuse puts even more focus on the stunt. If you wanted to truly derail the thread from set up you would of kicked up a storm and not backed down for at least 24 hours. A 2 hour changeover where only mattchew posted anything significant isn't that. People seem to be missing this. The first time he said it, he had some options in there, but now Draz seems focused on "Third Party" for Keirathi... Not scum, but potentially third party (based on all that same speculation about setup)? You suggesting you know who IS scum, Drazerk? ##Vote Drazerk | ||
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On October 01 2012 05:20 gonzaw wrote: EBWOP: Also, I hope nobody will have the nerve of calling me hypocrite and vote me because of "me doing the same thing JingleHell is doing" or some shit like that. I'm going to study for my test, but I'll be around, so I'll answer any questions you guys have and try to be here and not just disappear. Oh, so you acknowledge that your "case" against me would work similarly against yourself? Good, I'll just ignore you. If it was somehow ambiguous, I found Draz suspicious in that he seemed to have just assumed a specific subset of non-town for Keirathi. Generally, if I see something as anti-town, I don't go saying "Oh, he must be third party". Why? Because scum is anti-town. Making a faction based guess, especially in a closed setup, beyond saying "X is acting anti-town" sounds like you're privy to some knowledge about factions, and it's probably a little early for that. | ||
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On October 01 2012 05:48 Mattchew wrote: insta-delurk. actively lurking is cool ##vote: JingleHell Terrible timing. I had just logged out of GW2. Believe it or not, I don't much care. As for Gonzaw, I'm just going to ignore his ass, if anyone else would like to actually question my motives instead of just making silly assumptions so they can look active by jumping on a dumbass bandwagon, I'll happily answer them. Especially since Gonzaw quotes my post where I explain why I think Draz was being scummy, and then asks me, in essence, to explain what he just quoted. Unless he needs it in smaller words, there's no value in responding. | ||
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JingleHell
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Hiro, could you expand on why familiarity with Drazerk makes that seem less scummy? Oh, and as for trying to be leader-y, after my dismal performance in PTP3, and worse, people listening to me while I was doing it, I'm trying to formulate more solid cases before going after people. I seem to have a knack for accidentally creating anti-town bandwagons, so I want to avoid a repeat of that. | ||
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On October 01 2012 06:32 HiroPro wrote: No, it's not. I don't think that JingleHell has played with town Drazerk before. I have and I know that Drazerk is obsessed with third parties regardless of his own alignment. That's good to know. For now, then... ##Unvote I'm going to continue to wait a bit before going into heavy attack mode on anyone, though, for the reason I just gave. Fuck bandwagons and (too often my own) bad cases. | ||
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On October 01 2012 06:56 HiroPro wrote: I find this a bit weird, "seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it", but he could just be busy. Frankly, I'm more interested to hear what he has to say about other people. Ignoring my paranoia about people bandwagoning on what could turn out to be bad reads, if I go pointing to Mattchew's actively-lurky accusation of me actively lurking, he'd just say OMGUS. Not much else he's done that's really worth analyzing, without breaking down silly things, which will always end up making someone look scummy. Gonzaw, who's mixing a tunnel my direction, and asking for the tail to wag the dog (he keeps pointing my way, and asking everyone else to dive in before he commits any harder), would scream OMGUS if I made that into a case. Draz, who I unvoted, I'm continuing to keep an eye on. A lot of us, minimal posting. If I rip into Ghost for his rather funky post that's already been commented on, people who are already looking at me based on napkin-thin logic will assume I'm trying to redirect suspicion (which, realistically, they'd say about anything probably, but still.) It's "too easy" to jump on board with that, and while I dislike the post, I'm assuming it made more sense in his head, because that's too often the case with posts that get people shredded on D1. And I'm trying not to lead into cases based on over-analyzing one or two posts yet, because when I do that, I do a better job of persuading people than is good for town, so I'm waiting for larger patterns. And, as always, if anyone likes one of Gonzaw's questions for me, please repeat it, because I don't feel like indulging him. | ||
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On October 01 2012 23:45 Drazerk wrote: If we don't lynch S+B my next target would probably be JH because I just hate the wounded survivor act but its not really telling of alignment. Hey people. Awake and not busy right now, and catching up with the thread. (Uh-oh, I must be active lurking, how DARE I answer stuff directed at me?) What, exactly, are you calling a "wounded survivor" act? If you're referring to me not wasting my time answering Gonzaw directly when he's being irrational, it's not worth it. The way he's posting is pretty much 100% guaranteed to incite an argument if I answer him, which is no good to anyone. I'm seriously starting to get paranoid about Gonzaw. He wants other people to weigh in before he commits to a course of action, he posts in a way intended to spark arguments, he doesn't give a shit who gets lynched, and he spreads suspicion around like icing on a cake. (Incoming accusation of OMGUS in 3, 2...) | ||
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JingleHell
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Well, sorry you don't appreciate the reason, but it's hard for it not to be foremost in my mind, this is my first game played since that performance. It was painfully embarrassing. I'm not trying to make myself seem like a non-threat, or push my townie-ness with it, I tried to answer a (fairly valid) point, with my reason for not playing the same way. I probably over-made the point, but that can't much be helped. | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote: Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch? I led several rather key mislynches. As town. Pushing Grush was about the least embarrassing part of my performance, because frankly, he's useless. I do wish he'd died earlier in the game, though. I don't remember all the specifics at this point off the top of my head, but almost every time I convinced people on someone, it made the overall situation worse. Clearly, if I make too much case out of too little, it doesn't serve the town, so I'm letting things solidify in my mind and in the thread a bit more before going into hardcore push people mode, because once I do that, there's a tendency for someone to get lynched. Being in a town-leader-ish position is only good if I don't also get nominated as the scumteam's MVP as town for it. | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:40 Keirathi wrote: How long, exactly, do you plan to wait? Theres only 7.5 hours until the deadline. How long do I plan to wait to go into hard-push mode on someone? Until I'm reasonably confident in my assessment. I'm not going to suddenly play differently just to make you happy, so deal with it. If you really want someone slammed into the floor, take a case and run with it, and slam someone into the floor. Don't wait for a scapegoat to lead the case. At any rate, my favorite target right now would probably be Gonzaw, between the stuff I've already pointed to, his wishy-washy voting everywhere, and his public "Oh, the person who's most interested in me is going to be my placeholder vote, I'll be back some time after the deadline, which might make that person look scummy if they decided to push". That's survivor play, not town-win play. In fact, speaking of such, ##Vote Gonzaw | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Gonzaw Sorry, need more caffeine. | ||
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Or do you want townies to lead mislynches? | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:20 Mementoss wrote: we want you to promote discussion. which exactly what discussing your reads and making cases does. I wanted Keirathi's answer. And I have promoted and joined discussion. I'm just being less aggressive and pushy about it. | ||
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Amusingly, out of people who have talked to or about me, the one I'd be least suspicious of voting me also seems to be the one most inclined to actually wait for a good reason, and that's Keirathi. | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:12 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: I guess he could have meant that he thought I was faking the effort and just making bullshit up. But that's demonstrably not the case. If you said "Not demonstrably", I could maybe agree. Saying "demonstrably not" is a bit harder to see. | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:20 Drazerk wrote: Does anyone think the JH lynch feels off to anyone else? I can't put my finger on it... it just feels wrong Well, it's based in misrepresenting my play now to me "not playing", when I'm actually "playing less agressively", for reasons that were explained. The inference they're using to push me is that I'm not participating, which I think is ridiculous. In particular since Mattchew isn't willing to push it, and Gonzaw insists that his vote is a convenient placeholder, and oh by the way, he'll be back after lynch, hope it doesn't go bad. It feels completely scripted and noncommittal, although I'm sure someone will scream OMGUS at me saying that. | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:26 Mementoss wrote: Instead of spreading doubt on your lynch when it isn't even close why don't you put together a post explaining your top 2 scums reads with some sort of explanation why? Stop defending yourself at every turn and explaining yourself try to actually push a read for the lynch. Because I already fucking did that, and people promptly ignored it and accused me of not playing, using it as motivation to push me as a target without committing to it? | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:32 austinmcc wrote: There's a combination of nobody really hard-defending him and nobody just BLASTING his play here, that I don't love, but I'm not sure how you'd get either of those with what we have to work with. What are the alternatives? (I'm not voting snb because he should be interacting with you differently)ghost/nisani/iamperfection? It feels too much like RNGing between the three. I don't like Mattchew for scum, he's my strongest town-read right now. I don't like gonzaw for scum atm, although it'll take more time to figure that one out. I don't like me for scum, because I'm not. So those posts are out. This is your other post where you mention a few people, and it IS the best thing in your filter. But...it doesn't really have much to it. Gonzaw tunneling you. You're keeping an eye on Drazerk. Ghost's post looks bad but you won't deal with it because we'll jump on you. You mention a lot of names, but you don't SAY anything. How does your eye feel about Drazerk atm? Do you think ghost's post/vote looks different or worse than iamperfection and nisani? I don't require you to agree with my reads, or vote based on them. But to dismiss them as not playing and being scummy just because you disagree is ludicrous, especially if you aren't willing or able to argue with my reasoning for those reads. I'm still not sure about Drazerk. He's fucking hard to read, and anything I could make on him could just as easily be over-analysis. I'm still leaning potential scum. Also, if my strongest reads are Mattchew and Gonzaw, I'm going to focus them more. Just to be realistic, if I go accusing the entire thread of being scummy based on one or two things, it's not going to contribute to discussion either. I recently gave a "possible town" read on Keirathi because he at least makes sense when he discusses what he finds suspicious about me. I didn't say it in as many words, but that was the intent of the post. Oh, right, that got dismissed as me throwing doubts on anyone voting me. Ghost, I've discussed a small amount. If I was going to be worried, it would be more based on lurkiness. Usually, a one post wonder lynch target D1 turns out to be a mislynch, especially when there's so much room for interpretation in the post. If we don't see more from him, though, he'll start looking like a target. Sorry if I don't sound particularly heavy handed regarding people who aren't my primary reads right now, but I'm not playing to make you happy, I'm playing to hunt scum. | ||
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