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Season 8 Lock and new Ladder changes incoming

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emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 19:17:30
September 07 2012 01:10 GMT
#1
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157308/Season_8_Now_Locked_and_Big_Changes_Coming_Next_Season-9_6_2012

Ladder Tier Removal

Currently not all divisions within a League are created equal. Individual divisions are actually assigned to different “tiers”, and players are assigned to tiers based on skill. This system hasn't been very transparent, making it difficult to determine your next promotion. For example, if you’re in a lower tiered Diamond division, just getting to Rank 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll see a promotion soon.

With the goal of increasing transparency for ladder players, we’re removing tiers from the ladder with the commencement of 2012 Season 4. The removal of tiers from all leagues will allow players to better gauge exactly where they’re at on the ladder and how far away they are from the next league.

After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


personally I think the ladder tier removal is a great step forward, now if they could only give us our Wins/Loss ratio back, because not seeing that isn't very transparent either.

Also taldarim has it's rocks removed at the 3rd!

edit: it literally means, rank 100 - 1 is the top %100 to %1 of your rank, bronze all the way to GM. If you are 100 bronze you are literally the worst player in the entire game, along with the other 100's that will exist. We will still have divisions and compete within our division, but it will make going up a rank, from 53 to 52, actually mean something, but it will probably take more work now. So those achievements you got for getting top 8 in your division? well that's going to be very hard to get now.

Excal_Z edit: This ladder change is going to mean that all of the leagues will now become just like Master league (except for showing losses). There will still be divisions of 100 players each, but they'll all be equal and therefore no longer apply hidden offsets. Therefore, in an ideal environment with the skill of all players evenly distributed across divisions (meaning you don't have Division 1 with all GSL Code S players and Division 2 with all GSL Code B players) and as long as everyone is spending all their bonus pool, what Blizzard says is accurate: rank 1 would roughly equate to the top 1% of the league.

Incidentally, this is going to make sites like SC2Ranks far more accurate as a means to gauge how you rank among the rest of your league.

Note that promotions will still be determined by MMR, the removal of division tiers only affects the points that are displayed in divisional rankings.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 07 2012 01:13 GMT
#2
That tier thing sounds really dumb; glad it's being removed.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
September 07 2012 01:13 GMT
#3
Wow, nice tier removal!
Like it!
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 07 2012 01:14 GMT
#4
They should've just removed the map completely . Well won't effect me vetoed it anyway together with Condemned Ridge .
mec
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden192 Posts
September 07 2012 01:15 GMT
#5
Great change
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
September 07 2012 01:15 GMT
#6
After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


This is the way it should've worked from the beginning. I'm happy we're getting it.

I like the TA changes (because I am Zerg ), but no new 1v1 maps? Really?
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
September 07 2012 01:16 GMT
#7
wait... blizzard why u no fix mappool
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
September 07 2012 01:16 GMT
#8
I guess I'll be un-vetoing TDA now :D. I hope we get a new name change soon though...
Inno pls...
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
September 07 2012 01:16 GMT
#9
Good changes. Blizzard seems to be going in the right direction, it just takes them a long time.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
September 07 2012 01:16 GMT
#10
On September 07 2012 10:15 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


This is the way it should've worked from the beginning. I'm happy we're getting it.

I like the TA changes (because I am Zerg ), but no new 1v1 maps? Really?


probably not on their to do list with HotS and all.. Also, I bet this GM will be easier to get into since I know most pros will be only playing HotS to prepare themselves.
Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
September 07 2012 01:16 GMT
#11
Looking forward to this! It always was annoying when you were Rank 1 in your division but because it was a new group, it didn't mean anything unless you went to SC2rank or something similar.
@DreamingBird
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
September 07 2012 01:16 GMT
#12
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
September 07 2012 01:17 GMT
#13
This is a step in the right direction. I am glad that this game is slowly reaching the level I expected at release.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
freakhill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Japan463 Posts
September 07 2012 01:17 GMT
#14
Damn, many people have been waiting for something like that for a loooong time.
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Soda
Profile Joined December 2009
United States66 Posts
September 07 2012 01:17 GMT
#15
I'm liking this!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 07 2012 01:17 GMT
#16
This.is.awesome.
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Atrbyg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States513 Posts
September 07 2012 01:17 GMT
#17
Happy about new system for the ladder tire removal, but I am a bit disappointed that the map pool has not changed. I was really looking forward to seeing some new maps.
JethroTV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States206 Posts
September 07 2012 01:18 GMT
#18
Fantastic. I never understood their desire to try and hide information about ones own standings.
@JethroTV
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
September 07 2012 01:19 GMT
#19
Awesome change.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 07 2012 01:19 GMT
#20
On September 07 2012 10:16 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks



Ladder tier means theirs different tiers in each league/division so just because you are at rank 1 in diamond you could be at a low tier division in diamond meaning you probably won't be promoted just because of that. This change will make it easier to tell where you are in terms of skill and whether you will be promoted or not.
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