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On November 03 2011 03:39 Sevryn wrote: wow how did i mess up the bolding Team SS EBWODP I have bad feelings about this name.. | ||
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Kurufesto It's good to be back, guys. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2011 07:45 GMarshal wrote: Cool, a game of mafia ![[image loading]](http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/186616/face-the-reaper-skull-31000.jpg) It's traditional at this point to post a picture of the reaper So, Iets do this thing. First thing first As usual there is no excuse for lurking, don't do it and you won't have me lobbing for your lynch. Seriously, 2 players per team should mean a more than decent level of activity, you aren't going to get away with 2~3 posts per cycle unless they are an outstanding, wall of text, analytical set of three posts. So post, transparency and information means we have a greater chance of success. Second thing (this should *not* be a point of discussion, as what I am about to talk about is too general for us to really talk about, I just wanted to make sure it was said). Because there are no vigilantes, if we have a jailkeeper he should be using his protect/roleblock offensively, that is "protecting" scum in an attempt to roleblock the kill, rather than going after the most outspoken townies and possibly roleblocking a power role. This style should encourage activity (scum no longer want to risk being lurkers if it might make their kill fail) and with the possibility of a medic in play scum still cannot afford to shoot the top players. Other than that there isn't that much to say on the setup until we get later in the day and can talk about dt lists and such. My lurker policy remains the same as always, and yeah, that's about it. I am against lynching lurkers. First, the setup is really small, so we should delay the game and make it as long as we could. Scum, unless terrible or really overloaded with RL stuff (they shouldn't join game then, but hey it happens) won't lurk. Remember, scum are those MIDDLE guys, not so active or inactive to draw attention. "But it sounds so cool Kurumi... go get them Yourself, let me derp my way to LYLO" Yeah I know Towns on TL are quite damn lazy and with all the info coming out at the beginning of the game, quoting guides by either side and stuff like that and forget all of it after D1 lynch but.. I am not going to forget, I wish to play my best this game. "But Kurumi, Mafia has a Role Cop!" With 1 blue, they will have hard time finding Team with it. With 2 blues, we will get enough protection/information to retaliate strong enough. Remember, the more time Parity Cop gets, the stronger we are, because he can slowly confirm people. I think we shouldn't worry about Mafia Role Cop too much. Lurker lynch is a bad idea. We either no-lynch or lynch the scummiest fuckers out there. With a mislynch, Mafia ALREADY got their KP per cycle! If we don't get a good protect/block or we just don't have roles for it, 2 people are dead by Day 2. Meanwhile, Mafia Role Cop has checked one of the roles. That means, 3 out of 7 people roles are known to Mafia, another lynch and it's 4 out of 5, if the (only one) blue survived to this time, he will be killed during the night, no matter the lynch result. Summary: Lurker lynch is a terrible idea, Mafia rarely lurk without any special plan. No lynch does not put us behind: Our blue will survive longer this way. Lynch = scummiest person, remember! Try to keep Your post readable... I am trying, so You should too. | ||
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My appreciations GMarshal, I am almost sure You are town. Big analysis is something You need to work on for a quite bit of time. Scum GMarsh is more about policies, discussing more things way more vague etc. Crofty is quite silent but.. He will get his "engine" going, won't he? Anyway, let me read the thread.. There is only one thing I remember which budged me: iGrok, I understand You might dislike me for the Mafia You were Godfather in, but please, what's the point in writing "I am always up for lynching Kurumi" It rubs me wrong way, totally... | ||
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 About the claim, how many votes we've had on the Team Red21? 3? Was such "move" needed? I understand that claiming is last resort for both scum and town. I think if we've got a fake claim right here, Parity Cop will get to the truth in two night hopefully. Anyway, assuming the claim is true, what should we do if is Jailor is present? Would locking them be a good decision? With Doctor it's risk-gain thing as always, Mafia might but does not need to hit them. As for Jailor protect, we might avoid getting them killed. The thing is, we're not moving on with any of our powers. No check through PC and no check through offensive jailing, but Mafia got their check and they're one step ahead of us. With this in mind, my opinion about no-lynch has changed. In this situation, we can't give the unnecessary edge to Scum. | ||
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On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote: Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis. On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote: I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter. ##Unvote ##Vote Team Red21 Also: FoS Nipple, post moar! The first quote makes me dizzy. "Town make stupid scumslips too" This sounds SO WRONG! I mean.. How can You as town "scumslip"? Did You mean posting with scum-like agenda? That's Your post. An excuse for incoming "scumslips". Second, I quite understand voting for the Team Red21 (though I think the explanation is not top notch..) but if they're treating it like "it might not matter so oh well" why aren't they voting us? This stance puzzles me. | ||
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Why? Well, I filtered Forumite's and prplhz posts. First of all, prplhz had confusing posting style (no puncation or capital letters) which he changed after people told him it is "not quite townie". + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2011 10:02 prplhz wrote: I really thought that using bad grammar and no punctuation and saying "u" instead of "you" for a while would trigger someone to go for me just because it ticked them off. I kinda stopped when kitaman27 asked me to because I thought that a couple of pages would be enough. So what kind of nonsense am I pushing that doesn't further finding scum? I thought hyshes' statement was pretty weird and I pursued that, as did some other people so there must have been something to it. You have posted a great big picture and then said that lurkers aren't too cool. Then you want to "sit back until later when we can talk about power roles". Well I guess what I think about that should be obvious to most people. He did that on purpose too. Why would You try to puzzle Town, if You were Town too? It makes no sense to make You less readable. He called my plan pro-mafia but never pushed my lynch. Forumite on the other hand, besides that "scumslipping Town" has shown something so scummy that hurts my eyes: He made a case, never pushed it himself, never voted for me and RoL, just like he was waiting for someone to pick it up. That's really scummy, it's trying to distance Yourself from the lynch, trying to divert attention on another person. Townies don't fear getting connected, might fear being wrong, but being wrong doesn't make You scum. Townies make cases and PUSH them, show their name, make the lynch happen. Also, entire case is based on us being a bit inactive, lynching lurkers is one of the easiest jobs ever: "They don't post enough" "Yup, good reason" Tadam, no opinion voiced besides "they aren't as active as they should be". Summary: Team Viking fos'd us couple of times, Forumite created small case but never really pushed it, looking like he was waiting for someone to pick it up. They're afraid to take action and get put on the spotlight. | ||
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On November 05 2011 23:15 Radfield wrote: Sorry guys, I'm still really struggling with illness, and I work tonight and tomorrow night as well. Parity Cop(Kita and Red presumably): You guys need to check someone scummy who you think you can get lynched tomorrow, or check someone you think is likely to get hit tonight. Either way, ideally you're target dies by day 3. Medic should be protecting Kita. This ensures he gets off 1 or 2 parity checks. This is an ideal set-up. Jailkeeper needs to decide for themselves. Protecting Kita basically turns this into a 7 VT set-up, unless mafia gamble and try to shoot the cop which is possible. Offensively roleblocking the nightkill is also viable, as is protecting a player likely to be hit. Either way, a protection or block gives us the same result. I agree with that post. Everything here seems reasonable. Anyway, I am quite puzzled right now. I was really thinking that Team Viking was scum Re-reading thread once again so I might have something good to bring up when the day comes. Besides that, I am almost sure one of the teams voting on Team Viking was scum. | ||
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On November 07 2011 13:31 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with most of the sentiment regarding team nipple. As I said earlier today, I think the lynch needs to fall between Edward/SS/nipple. After I reread the thread, I was suspicious of those teams, in that order. However, there are some problems with the nipple lynch, the main one being that it's another very easy lynch. In fact, it seems we didn't learn much from yesterday, because this nipple lynch is going on unopposed. In fact, I myself would be completely fine with killing them if it wasn't for the fact that sandro is a big advocate of lynching them, and they are not connected to any other teams. Let's think about this. The only reasonable connection we can make between team nipple is team Edward. Why? Because chaoser mentioned that scum are not likely to be lurkers/inactive, and this would ease suspicion on a team like Kurumi/RoL, neither of whom are ever around. Sandro thinks my team is connected to RoL/Kurumi for RoL saying that me+Rad being alive is not a reason for us to be scum. So, if you believe sandro then the only two connection possibilities for a scum nipple team would be chaoser's team and my team. Then, look at Kurumi's idea. He advocated a no-lynch on day 1, which is incredibly dumb, but that's almost to be expected from Kurumi. What's interesting about this is not really that Kurumi had an idea, but rather that sandro parroted it. Remember what he did in PYP? He parroted the plans of both Radfield and Mig. It caused both Radfield and Mig to view him more townish. I remember talking to Mig and Radfield and at times both of them used the fact that sandro had made a plan day 1 to call him town. Ofc, the plan was completely unoriginal, passive, and useless, just like it was this game. I have no idea who RoL is or how he plays, so I can't comment on his lack of effort. Certainly, it's disheartening that he has something like two or three posts since the game started, but he's not the only one. Indeed, just look at decon. He's not playing too far out of his scum play from PYP, either. Then, what about Kurumi? Is he normally useless? Yep. So we really can't tell anything from that. If you have time, Greymist, I'd suggest checking out sandro's play in both Some Mafia Game hosted by Ace, and Resurrection Mafia hosted by iGrok. In Resurrection, sandro was very active and caught scum day 1 (along with me) but we double lynched two townies (thanks to the derpness of redFF). Then sandro and I worked together and we had two scum caught on day 2 (ON and bum). In SMG he was very inactive for the first two days, but he wasn't showing any signs of bad reasoning or illogical behavior. He suddenly became active on day 3 and basically caught the entire scumteam within a few hours. It was jaw-droppingly impressive. So, by all measures, as kita mentioned earlier, sandro is "not trying." He's pushing easy lynches. He actually just sounds dumb. Town sandro just doesn't do that. That's weird. Kurumi has been completely useless in every game I have ever played with him, so I can't say that his behavior here is any real indicator of his alignment. Hell, I don't even know what a scum Kurumi would look like. screw You On November 07 2011 07:00 supersoft wrote: 3. TEAM NIPPLE - (Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD) oh well. Kurumis filter looks quite bad. I reread the post where he proposed the nolynchplan and was curious what he did in addition to that. Besides like 3 apologyposts for inactivity, he says he's "rereading" the thread and "taking notes" and he came to the conclusion that team Viking is the best lynch. lol. #1 scum. I wait for Greys opinion on that and if he agrees i am going to vote Kurumi/RoL "No-lynch plan = scum blablabla being wrong = scum" solid case It is fucking horrible that everything is on my head with RoL being God knows where, jeez. also Radfield with no contribution = no threat to mafia wbg being all over the place = chaos = help to mafia iGrok posting things like "I think X is scum, also I think I know the second one, but I won't tell You now" = deny bumatlarge not being a lazy fuck appearing scummy as old fish = deny that's my opinion on team Chezinu being alive and Team Switzerland dead let me look at team SS and team Edward also read that chaoser-wbg exchange damn my head hurts also supersoft why Your focus drifted from Team Liquid onto my Team, Team Nipple? because that case is damn weak | ||
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Deconduo, I think the "evidence" You are trying to show us to push the Chezinu lynch is not enough. I think it's not enough to just chant scum and say "Radfield alive Day 2 is Scum Radfield". Fuck my head hurts and RoL is probably fucking eating something or taking a shower or just not giving a fuck. I dislike hyshes' absence just as mine, RoL's or Radfield. It sucks. I am not that concrete about team Chezinu being town.. I understand that wbg is active but.. something just tingles my radar. I wonder why people get so pissed off (sandroba and chaoser) when it comes to accusations.. Playing on the emotions? Maybe. Chaoser & Kita I don't think we should go that far with those.. We might check this out right now, because decon's and sandroba's craplogic hurts my brain a bit. | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:30 sandroba wrote: wbg my god man you nitpick at phrasing errors when you KNOW they are just that: errors. Everyone and their mother knows that kurumi only trolls hard when he is town. I'm saying he is mafia due to LACK of trolling. That's the worst argument I've ever heard. First, I am not trolling because I am trying to treat this game seriously, I haven't played in a while. Second, I wasn't trolling in LSB's game - Merc Mini 2. I was town. I died N1. Fucking tripmines. Third, RoL told me he would beat me up if I would troll. Also, both Your cases are fucking bad as hell. "Radfield alive, Radfield scum!" "Kurumi not troll, Kurumi scum!" | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:41 kitaman27 wrote: Kurumi, how much have you been talking to Rol? He promised analysis hours before today's deadline and there are only 80 minutes to the lynch. Like once and he kept talking about having showers, banging his gf and eating 7 hot dogs. Inspirational. | ||
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Not yet. I think everything they've done today is causing chaos, throwing weak accusations around, using weak arguments and go all ragemode, which is not beneficial to town. I just don't want to end the day yet. | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:51 kitaman27 wrote: Is that where you are leaning though or would you rather lynch someone else like edward, chezinu or liquid? I am a bit suspicious that noone attacked the weak point of Team Liquid - Crofty. Same goes for hyshes, but this guy was a bit under fire together chaoser today. The thing is, we focused on Radfield and my Team, forgetting about these two guys. Can they be scum together with their teammates? Maybe. Chezinu is a bit of two things at once. WBG has disruptive behaviour and aggressive stance. This though, is both Mafia and Town trait. Radfield being absent? I believe him. I am quite busy myself and my head hurts a lot right now. Edward? Hyshes is fishy. Chaoser is a bit too scared.. Like, I saw him pull a fake dt claim to get Amber the roleblocker lynched in XXXIX. He is really defensive and aggresive at once. Sandroba and deconduo have been using terrible craplogic for entire day. I don't know why they think anything should get pushed this way. | ||
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All of those being traps? Nope. | ||
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On November 10 2011 00:11 redFF wrote: @MOD COULD YOU PM ROL/KURUMI AND TELL THEM THEY'RE IN A FUCKING MAFIA GAME IN LYLO OR FORCE REPLACE THEM PLEASE Just comparing the effort teams put into the game I think team S&G is scum. | ||
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On November 10 2011 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: So you're reading the thread kurumi? You said you were going to try this game. Give us proof of that. Red and I aren't really agreeing at the moment. The lynch might come down to you. Could you give a better explanation other than effort? I am trying to keep up with everything, yes. I see that You and redFF have taken the position of town leaders; I think S&G is one of the scum teams, that's the best read I've got now. Why? -The most wishy-washy team for entire game -Pushing case on my Team without any substance, serious involvement, good case -Got active closely to LYLO -Not so active or inactive -Flying under the radar for the most of the game (getting the attention just now.) I think it's more incriminating than fake-claim of GMarshal(who I've seen quite town in the beginning), hyshes' inactivity + chaoser's hostility. I believe Your claim so I am going to leave Your team alone, guess that's good  On November 05 2011 06:31 supersoft wrote: ##vote: Team SS i dont see chaosers scummyness. sandro has been completely quiet the whole second half of d1. he's a better lynch than chaoser. On November 05 2011 07:02 GreYMisT wrote: ##Unvote Team SS ##Vote Team viking We did now On November 09 2011 07:36 supersoft wrote: dont want to deal with you. I want to know the checks because i don't trust you morons anymore. I told you all game long that chaoser isn't scum. I wanted to lynch team nipples instead of teamSS. And you still accuse me? Noone has been more protown than me. If you'd listened to me, we would have had lynches one scumteam already. Nipples and GM are scum. kitared derpteam is probably blue, wbg is probably vt with rad is afk. I suspected GM all game long btw. Now this wifom thing with killing the doc and bla etc. doesnt confince me of his innocence. If that's not a contraditction... Says "Noone has been more protown than me" never done any analysis scumbag supersoft | ||
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