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T>All on BB? How?

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labcoated
Profile Joined May 2005
Canada392 Posts
May 27 2005 02:41 GMT
#1
i can theoretically see T being strong on BB but i don't know the strats to really take advantage of this. i'd like to know how to lose with T less, specifically with openers and what kinds of things force a T reaction. people say BB is simple with no strategy so hopefully people can post this kind of thing.

Hi, I was wondering how T>All on BB? Like, what build should terran do, how is it > All? I assume something like 8 rax rax depot and a timed attack with scvs against zerg or what? For T>All on BB should T kill zerg before they get lurkers? and against protoss what does T do on BB? just 2 rax with a better economy and get tanks to control the middle?
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
May 27 2005 02:45 GMT
#2
because you can't attack or expand after a T gets defense and tanks
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SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
May 27 2005 02:58 GMT
#3
Its easy to push with T. Basically you just have to tech to tanks without dying. vs zerg u do mmtank and vs toss its vult/tank.

you just have to counter their build in order to survive long enough to tech. If the zerg fast lurkers you can just bunk/turrent at your choke move out with mm/tank/vessal.


If protoss 2 gates before gas then u go 2 racks, make sure u dont die to zeal/cannon, and make sure u get tanks before he gets goons. this means u need to scout well to see if he goes core or forge.
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
May 27 2005 03:33 GMT
#4
Can T build wallin on BB? If not P could proxy zealots and delay terran dramatically with his tech.
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Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
May 27 2005 03:42 GMT
#5
It's like 12/3 on LT except much worse.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2597 Posts
May 27 2005 03:52 GMT
#6
On May 27 2005 12:33 LastWish wrote:
Can T build wallin on BB? If not P could proxy zealots and delay terran dramatically with his tech.


Why would you proxy zealots on BB?
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toy
Profile Joined January 2005
109 Posts
May 27 2005 03:57 GMT
#7
Proxy on BB - that give a new sense to the word proxy!
SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
May 27 2005 03:58 GMT
#8
lol proxy?? maybe if you scout him fast and make ur gates in his base, otherwise make them just insude your choke. either way though fi your rush doesnt work you're pretty much dead.
gate in his base into ranged goon might work well. even better if you hide it and go 1 gate 1 forge zeal/cannon. once the first cannon warps in its almost GG.

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Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
May 27 2005 04:01 GMT
#9
One advantage for protoss vs terran is that you can't build turrets in the middle. So if toss has more DT than the terran has scan you can see why tank push isnt that good of an idea. mines will rape his own troops as well and cannons can protect from vulture raids. I'm not saying that p>t but I don't think its all that easy for terran.
SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
May 27 2005 04:07 GMT
#10
mines wont rape his own troops if you place them in front. especially ez to push horizontally or vertically.
I want something good to die for, to make it beautiful to live.
labcoated
Profile Joined May 2005
Canada392 Posts
May 27 2005 04:43 GMT
#11
okay so assuming you get to that point, u win. how do u get to that point? what builds do you have to counter etc.
SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-27 05:33:28
May 27 2005 05:32 GMT
#12
just do a 2 rax rine pump (you can do 8rax x2, 8depot), and scout well.

if he doesnt rush, right away then u bunker at choke while getting gas. pump as many rines as possible without falling behind his tech. you want your first tank very soon after his first goons finish.

while hes zealot only you should be able to scout his tech progression no problem.
if he gasses get ur fact up asap.
if he doesnt gas just make sure u can hold an all out zealot attack if you need to, pump rines from both racks according, and only tech to fact when its safe.

gas timing is the best indication of hsi tech level. u need to watch out for hidden core/archieves/robotics/citadel.

the dangerous rush is zeal/cannon, which is why u have to pump from 2 racks early and be ready to use some scvs.
I want something good to die for, to make it beautiful to live.
88)WhyYouKickMyDog
Profile Joined July 2004
United States608 Posts
May 27 2005 09:01 GMT
#13
P > T on BB
zeal cannon rush is unstoppable.

T > Z by 8 rax (or whatever build best counters 4 pool, not sure exactly how quick you have to rax, but u can figure that out urself). if hes massing lings, get a bunk then gas and another rax, and fast mm. if hes doing like a 1 hatch lurker/ling just build constant rines out of 1 rax, keep rines inside of SCV's so u dont lose to a few speedlings, and get fast acad and another rax when u have the money. you should kill zerg with MM before they get lurks.

and T > T with 4 SCV rush
azndng
Profile Joined July 2004
United States344 Posts
May 27 2005 12:50 GMT
#14
games on BB for me usually last less then 5 minutes. the reason why T>all on bb is simple.. scv's atck stronger then drones/probes.

T v P & Z-- send 1 scv to search, atck probe warping/drone morphing things in.. or just follow it around so the gateway/pool is really late. do a 7 or 8 rack build. then rally rines to his base. while sending 3-4 scv's; one building a bunker and the other 3 just protecting the building scv.

Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
May 27 2005 14:02 GMT
#15
SOrry but what is BB ???
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splat
Profile Joined July 2003
Seychelles358 Posts
May 27 2005 14:15 GMT
#16
On May 27 2005 23:02 Final Heaven wrote:
SOrry but what is BB ???

They're talking about the 64x64 map Blood Bath.
What is your substance, whereof are you made, That millions of strange shadows on you tend?
suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
May 27 2005 14:48 GMT
#17
sorry for off topic but what about pvz, isnt z:s 5pool quite effective?
I dont want to be totally out :3
FroST(TE)
Profile Joined September 2004
United States909 Posts
May 27 2005 15:49 GMT
#18
7 rax with bunker will beat almost any build
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toy
Profile Joined January 2005
109 Posts
May 27 2005 17:52 GMT
#19
[QUOTE]On May 27 2005 18:01 88)WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
P > T on BB
zeal cannon rush is unstoppable.

- ur are killed with scv and a couple of marines, befores u first canon is done: forge und warping canon = 300 min!
EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-27 18:12:05
May 27 2005 18:08 GMT
#20
With the correct combination of fast rax builds + scv/bunker rush or fast 2 rax builds based on what you scout it should be very very difficult to lose. Vs Toss use BBS and attack with scvs for an all in bunker build at his pylons, he should not be able to stop it if you have strong micro. Vs Zerg do a fast rax at 6 or so then send scvs with first marine and micro. Obviously vs T it is balanced.
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