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PokerQuestion
Profile Joined February 2005
United States71 Posts
May 28 2005 16:02 GMT
#41
If bloodbath is in fact eye-loser. I have $100 standing bet against anyone in a best of 7 series between bloodbath and 88)WhyYouKickMyDog.
PokerQuestion
Profile Joined February 2005
United States71 Posts
May 28 2005 16:06 GMT
#42
After making my original comment I WAS ABSOLUTLY SHOCKED TO SEE SOMEONE WROTE THIS:

On April 08 2005 13:24 logitech wrote:
heh, BB is indeed kinda inbalanced, and its sort of like this:
P > T (if P dual gates + cannon rush)
T > Z (if T rax early)
Z > P (if Z pool early)
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
May 28 2005 16:36 GMT
#43
WhyYouKickMydog will play vs bloodbath on bloodbath?

If yes we'll need live report lol


j/k
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
May 28 2005 19:39 GMT
#44
P>all,
vs T : 2 gates + cannon just like at korhal but much stronger(=no wall closer distance)
vs Z : early forge with +1, 2 gates to zealot speed
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
May 28 2005 20:17 GMT
#45
On May 29 2005 04:39 LastWish wrote:
P>all,
vs T : 2 gates + cannon just like at korhal but much stronger(=no wall closer distance)
vs Z : early forge with +1, 2 gates to zealot speed

I agree it can be a pain but I think you underestimate the power of good marine micro combined with strength of the scv.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2718 Posts
May 28 2005 22:20 GMT
#46
I really would like to play more with you guys (I just obbed like 3 games of bloodbath-, played 2 games vs crappy koreans and lost one game on 3am), because your style of playing is raddically different from mine (hmm I started using some tricks bloodbath uses).
I really wanna TvT vs someone, to test my weird BO (100% win vs pubs T_T, I lose only vs my friend, who is much, much better than me).

On May 28 2005 16:41 BloodBath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2005 08:25 8882 wrote:
On May 27 2005 23:48 suxN wrote:
sorry for off topic but what about pvz, isnt z:s 5pool quite effective?


yes and no
it can work vs a weak toss player, because by the time the lings arrive he has a zealot done in 3/4 (or 1 zealot) - and now all depends on the zergs micro
zerg can kill few probes, sometimes a pylon (which might mean a gg), or even a gateway

on the other hand if the toss manages to defend, he has more probes and is able to get few zealots quickly - so zerg needs a sunken (175minerals...) and toss has even better economy

sometimes the protoss players scout with 5th probe and make a forge first BO, which stops most early pools (not sure about 4pool), but I think it is not a good thing, because the zerg is free to mass drones later

I used to go 5pool->fast hydra speed upgrade+mad micro, but it is not as effective as you might think, zerg has poor economy, toss can make few cannons and slowly tech to HT/reaver and out macro the zerg, hydras need like 20 shots to kill a zealot, so the micro needs to be perfect and is not as effective.
I almost never use sunkens, zerg should 9 pool harrass vs P with speedlings by defualt and then either get 3 hatch to whatever tech, or 1 hatch lair 2nd hatch lurkers. I dont really recommend mutas early since gas doesnt flow as fast with 1 base.


if you dont make speed fast, there is a moment when toss has like 7zealots (and can take like 3probes) and you usually need a sunken.
if you have speed you can run and rape his probes/pylons/nexus, but if this is an elimination game, he can make a pylon behind your minerals and will probably own you.


On May 28 2005 20:51 labcoated wrote:
i know for one thing, if you always play safe against the fastest rushes (i.e., a 4 pool) on BB and your opponent assumes this, he can always have a slight advantage on you. for instance, if you always 9 pool, he could 12 pool or something. you have to keep your opponent guessing or give up a certain advantage and hope you can outskill them (as any good player would gladly try to beat a 12 pool with a 9 pool opening).


I think that a 12 pool is too slow, the 9pool-ing player will find you and kill some drones/sunken rush, with 9pool he probably can make 2sunkens+6lings by the time your lings pop.
A 7pool sunken rush works quite well on normal maps, so I think a 9pool will do it too


anyways so is the verdict that terran has to 2 rax out of 8 or 9 and then just defend/tech up = win vs zerg or toss? killing with marine/scv if possible/necessary?


hmm, vs zerg it's much easier
toss will get storm or DT to fight vs your marines

The only noteable time I pwned a good zerger was some dude that didnt speak english, he did ~380 APM with zerg I won with toss somehow. That game will stand out in my mind anytime I think of pvz on BB .


hmm, apm means shit
some people focus on apm so much that they are slow and suck
like I played a guy with 280APM, who didnt control his units for around 10 seconds...
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Wizzra
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands514 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-29 03:23:05
May 29 2005 03:20 GMT
#47
9 rax 10 supply is safe against 4 pool
zeal + cannonrush is unstoppable vs a 1 rax gas
but i think it's pretty safe vs bsb

*edit*
if forgot toss would very likely go 2 gate + forge. you won't get a working factory with siege online vs that probably
The responsibility of tolerance lies in those who have the wider vision.
riPPEy.rH
Profile Joined November 2004
Finland94 Posts
May 29 2005 04:09 GMT
#48
i love the map
ukin kuvalla, ime, puhalla!
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
May 29 2005 05:37 GMT
#49
after reading these comments in this and the other BB threads i really really _really_ want to see some actual games between these people. There are too many absolute claims in here and they need to be backed up with games....

post reps!!
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Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
May 29 2005 06:14 GMT
#50
I can try pvt but i am chobo ^^.
FroST(TE)
Profile Joined September 2004
United States909 Posts
May 29 2005 06:53 GMT
#51
i think tl.net should have a bb tournament -.-
PoorUser on LP
BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-29 08:45:20
May 29 2005 07:28 GMT
#52
in the other bb thread i posted replays and labcoated or ihatett wanted to host a tournament out of that thread.]So who is down for a tourney? let me know i will edit this post with your names
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BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
May 29 2005 07:33 GMT
#53
I'm sick of people saying Zeal canon rush owns terran, it does not. I stop it daily with 1 rax builds. even if they eventually do start getting canons firing at your buildings you can repair and hold them long enough to make a comeback with 1 tank. its not like they have canons in every direction of your base you can put a factory somewhere and get it finished. Sometimes even when you are really cornered you can build your factory in another base or put it in your mineral line.
West: Op Bloodbath- , East: Op Bbath
BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
May 29 2005 07:42 GMT
#54
On May 29 2005 01:02 PokerQuestion wrote:
If bloodbath is in fact eye-loser. I have $100 standing bet against anyone in a best of 7 series between bloodbath and 88)WhyYouKickMyDog.
you will lose,
West: Op Bloodbath- , East: Op Bbath
FroST(TE)
Profile Joined September 2004
United States909 Posts
May 29 2005 08:21 GMT
#55
i'll play~
PoorUser on LP
labcoated
Profile Joined May 2005
Canada392 Posts
May 29 2005 08:33 GMT
#56
if you get 1 tank out when he zeal/photon vs your 1 rax gas build and make a comeback i think the toss just sucks
BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-29 08:33:46
May 29 2005 08:33 GMT
#57
we can host it @ east in op bbath or @ west in op bloodbath- . We can use my 'fixed minerals' version of bloodbath as well so there wont be any complaining about stuck workers or slow mineral collection.
West: Op Bloodbath- , East: Op Bbath
MarKoNiO
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Peru888 Posts
May 29 2005 08:37 GMT
#58
:O!!, GOGOGO fight fight !!!
btw i think P>T in BB
- Hardcore gamer -
BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
May 29 2005 08:43 GMT
#59
On May 29 2005 17:37 MarKoNiO wrote:
:O!!, GOGOGO fight fight !!!
btw i think P>T in BB
wrong
West: Op Bloodbath- , East: Op Bbath
BloodBath
Profile Joined May 2005
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-29 09:18:35
May 29 2005 09:10 GMT
#60
for anyone who cares here is a nice tight terran base.
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There is marine hiding behind the geyser ^_- and in the minerals with scv is good bunker substitute for all the bases. I think that turret helps gas collection.

[image loading]

Turret+depot optimizes gas collection.

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Turret and Academy optimizes gas collection and mineral collection, because the minerals are badly placed and the scvs make a wierd return.

[image loading]

This is probably the best position for T because you can just wall instead of doing this.
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