T>All on BB? How?

On May 27 2005 12:33 LastWish wrote:
Can T build wallin on BB? If not P could proxy zealots and delay terran dramatically with his tech.

On May 27 2005 23:02 Final Heaven wrote:
SOrry but what is BB ???

On May 27 2005 12:33 LastWish wrote:
Can T build wallin on BB? If not P could proxy zealots and delay terran dramatically with his tech.

On May 27 2005 18:01 88)WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
P > T on BB
zeal cannon rush is unstoppable.

T > Z by 8 rax (or whatever build best counters 4 pool, not sure exactly how quick you have to rax, but u can figure that out urself). if hes massing lings, get a bunk then gas and another rax, and fast mm. if hes doing like a 1 hatch lurker/ling just build constant rines out of 1 rax, keep rines inside of SCV's so u dont lose to a few speedlings, and get fast acad and another rax when u have the money. you should kill zerg with MM before they get lurks.

and T > T with 4 SCV rush

On May 28 2005 04:51 BloodBath wrote:
I recommend everyone to play bloodbath with good players to get better. its better than any micro wars UMS. If you have trouble with micro or you lose to so called "cheese". Bloodbath will train you so well that when they try that crap on any other map you will just own them.

On May 27 2005 23:48 suxN wrote:
sorry for off topic but what about pvz, isnt z:s 5pool quite effective?

On May 28 2005 09:24 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
The thing about "winning equally" on BB is that you normally win 90 % of the BB games anyway because of pure skill difference.It's easy to own at public BB.
Even 2on1's.

On May 28 2005 09:04 88)WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:

BloodBath i havent played BB since starcraft vanilla, and i havent played BW since TLT finals. And despite you having played thousands of games on BB, i could 10-0 you.

"whatever build counters 4 pool" implies that I don't know what the best counter is. and you play complete newbs if u think 9 rax 10 supply can stop a 4 pool on BB. And i am correct about zeal/cannon being > T on BB, when P has good micro. Since you aren't that smart, ill say the obvious, which is that you have to send a few probes too, depending on how many SCV and how fast he built his rax, and also time it for when he would try and mass SCV/rine at the warping cannon.

On May 28 2005 08:25 8882 wrote:


yes and no
it can work vs a weak toss player, because by the time the lings arrive he has a zealot done in 3/4 (or 1 zealot) - and now all depends on the zergs micro
zerg can kill few probes, sometimes a pylon (which might mean a gg), or even a gateway

on the other hand if the toss manages to defend, he has more probes and is able to get few zealots quickly - so zerg needs a sunken (175minerals...) and toss has even better economy

sometimes the protoss players scout with 5th probe and make a forge first BO, which stops most early pools (not sure about 4pool), but I think it is not a good thing, because the zerg is free to mass drones later

I used to go 5pool->fast hydra speed upgrade+mad micro, but it is not as effective as you might think, zerg has poor economy, toss can make few cannons and slowly tech to HT/reaver and out macro the zerg, hydras need like 20 shots to kill a zealot, so the micro needs to be perfect and is not as effective.

On May 28 2005 04:40 BloodBath wrote:
you obviously have never played bloodbath

On May 29 2005 04:39 LastWish wrote:
P>all,
vs T : 2 gates + cannon just like at korhal but much stronger(=no wall closer distance)
vs Z : early forge with +1, 2 gates to zealot speed

On May 28 2005 16:41 BloodBath wrote:
I almost never use sunkens, zerg should 9 pool harrass vs P with speedlings by defualt and then either get 3 hatch to whatever tech, or 1 hatch lair 2nd hatch lurkers. I dont really recommend mutas early since gas doesnt flow as fast with 1 base.

On May 28 2005 20:51 labcoated wrote:
i know for one thing, if you always play safe against the fastest rushes (i.e., a 4 pool) on BB and your opponent assumes this, he can always have a slight advantage on you. for instance, if you always 9 pool, he could 12 pool or something. you have to keep your opponent guessing or give up a certain advantage and hope you can outskill them (as any good player would gladly try to beat a 12 pool with a 9 pool opening).

anyways so is the verdict that terran has to 2 rax out of 8 or 9 and then just defend/tech up = win vs zerg or toss? killing with marine/scv if possible/necessary?

The only noteable time I pwned a good zerger was some dude that didnt speak english, he did ~380 APM with zerg I won with toss somehow. That game will stand out in my mind anytime I think of pvz on BB .

On May 29 2005 01:02 PokerQuestion wrote:
If bloodbath is in fact eye-loser. I have $100 standing bet against anyone in a best of 7 series between bloodbath and 88)WhyYouKickMyDog.

On May 29 2005 17:37 MarKoNiO wrote:
:O!!, GOGOGO fight fight !!!
btw i think P>T in BB

On May 30 2005 04:26 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Those walls take too long. You only have time to get 1 rax and 1 supply up before the first zealot will come strolling in, and it's much harder to micro it while not taking damage if your not in your mineral line.

On May 30 2005 04:39 BloodBath wrote:
not too slow unless he did like 5 gate, lol. much harder to micro what if im not in my mineral line?

basically you are going to scout him after you throw down rax and depot, then you are going to see when his zealot come out, hopefully you can lure his zealot a little with the scv to buy some time, and you should get your other scvs ready to make the depots asap. If he scouted with a probe hes gonna try and get in your way so you need the 2 scv to pound that little robot. hopefully he has 2 gates up before he realizes that you walled and he lets them sit idle while he saves up for tech.

the other thing too is you can go on the offensive with your rines if he stops zealot production, just make like 3 rines try and shave the shields off the zealot if he hasn't already done it himself by attacking your wall. Run up in his base with the rines and target probes hit and run shit just keep running around his base force him to build more zealots he doesnt need.

On May 30 2005 09:01 riPPEy.rH wrote:
no idont know. i just make public games and throw of nubies.
sorry but we dont have a channel. T_T

On May 30 2005 09:44 BloodBath wrote:
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=28347 Me vs Cute - PvZ
SPOILER~
he does ling harrass while i defend. i take a few losses but my probes end up tickling his lings into submission. i try adn harrass with a crew of zealots sensing his tech due to lack of lings kill his extractor and we lose an equal ammount of forces. Then I take the bridge with canon right then he send 2 mutas over and start picking on my cyber core. He eventually kills it but i have a few goons and an archon warping in while he trys to expo. i try and break middle a few times but he manages to kill my archons but i have many zealots and upgrades on their way. I managed to sneak 2 zealots into his expo and kill 2 drones but lose the zealots on their way back to auir. next i use a dark templar and scout and he trys to lure my forces upwards so he can flank or something but i do not follow and instead send dark templar to overlord less expansion and slay a few drones and eventually the whoel expo while we battle it out in the middle. he gets lurkers, but its too late for i have so much money i mass canon expand while pumping goons and a few HT for storm. once the expo is up i get my obs and he trys one final effort against my main but fails. GG

On May 30 2005 11:22 Gandalf wrote:
As far as I remember two of the bb bases are wallable with one rax and two depots, and the other two with rax/depo/academy.

Top left was one of the bases where its possible to do a rax/depot/depot wall. The other one I THINK is bottom right, but I'll have to check.

On May 30 2005 10:40 BloodBath wrote:
Well those other games were not really good games they were just quick mistake game over. and when you went all in with your pocket scv and marines, I microed the worst i have ever in my entire life. I blame lack of sleep.

On May 31 2005 04:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
why do you describe it as "the legit long game"? coming from someone who calls himself blood bath and who claims to have played thousands of games on blood bath, claiming a game is less legitemate because it was short and you fucked up your micro is especially retarded.

On May 31 2005 09:51 TserHossHiBreed wrote:
I said almost 100%... anyway if he cares this much about justifying his loss by giving excuses he probably musn't be too decent.

I just read the walling part... what the heck is this ? You don't wall on blood bath, the whole game turns around controlling the middle to take the 2 other bases. You're killing yourself if you wall in against any of the 3 races. T will take solid control of the mid and tank your wall, P will laugh at you and go gate cyber goon range gate and finally the Z... the Z won't need to attack you at all, he'll fill the middle with lurks and take the other 2 bases until he can go guard/defiler.

On May 31 2005 13:25 BloodBath wrote:
i know those losses were flukes because i outplayed and outmicroed this guy.

On May 31 2005 15:46 RedMeat wrote:


Stfu loser, if you outplayed and outmicroed him you wouldn't have lost would you? Just as an aside... if you weren't being such a dick trying to diminish the value of his wins then people wouldn't be jumping in to insult you. You're the one who was trying to make a point and you decided to "try something different" so stop bitching about the quality of his wins.

Decent long games on a 64x64 map *smirks*.

On May 31 2005 15:46 RedMeat wrote:


Stfu loser, if you outplayed and outmicroed him you wouldn't have lost would you? Just as an aside... if you weren't being such a dick trying to diminish the value of his wins then people wouldn't be jumping in to insult you. You're the one who was trying to make a point and you decided to "try something different" so stop bitching about the quality of his wins.

Decent long games on a 64x64 map *smirks*.

On May 31 2005 15:16 labcoated wrote:
it doesn't matter if they already "threw down their 2 gates", if they stop using them it barely makes any difference

and bloodbath if you're so good why are you trying new things against someone decent?

On May 31 2005 13:54 TserHossHiBreed wrote:
Ya, repel him from the middle, go in the middle and get pawned by DTs/flanking. You won't have tanks before his 1st goon comes in to harass your wall. Then you'll have about 3-4 goons with range pawning you before your 1st tank is done. And besides, if I scout and see your barrack and 1st sup is at your choke (which should be under construction before I get a 2nd gateway) then I'll see it's a wall and go core right away. TvP on BB you've got no choice but to go infantry first. Walling is out of the question.

On May 31 2005 13:25 BloodBath wrote:
i know those losses were flukes because i outplayed and outmicroed this guy. Why do you think he didnt post the reps?, the games were retarded. The only reason i lost was because i tried something new versus someone decent. its not often i get to try shit out vs good players because there just isnt enough chances. it doesnt matter to me anyways he beat me 3-2 i dont even care. so why do you?

On May 31 2005 17:49 BloodBath wrote:
because I have all the basic strategies down, Whenever I meet new good players its almost like I have to try some unrthdox shit to see if it does anything at all, because i know they are going to play the way i would. Its almost like im playing myself without knowing what im gonna do. www.sirlin.net talks about this type of practice shit in the play to win section.

On May 31 2005 18:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:


are you saying that you play seriously vs bad players and that you try weird shit against good ones?
that makes a lot of sense.

On May 30 2005 20:56 BloodBath wrote:
no , look at my pictures I cant see any possible way you could wall them with jsut 2 depot sized buildings and a barracks besides top left.

On June 01 2005 10:59 RedMeat wrote:
Rofl, do you have any idea how much you deserved those "fluke" losses bloodbath? Apart from anything else the game you won could have gone quite differently if kitten had moved his ovie to detect over his expo or made an ovie the second he saw your dark templar roaming about. By your own definition you got lucky then, right?

EDIT: Just one more point. Your zerg vs terran build was really really cocky and there's no way you can put that loss down to anything other than powering too hard and hoping he didn't notice. You got raped when he arrived in your base and better micro would not have saved you...

On June 01 2005 11:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
i didn't watch the reps... but i think it's stupid when BloodBath says stuff like "i don't even care, why should you??" to Drone questioning your making excuses for losing. you obviously care quite a bit about your reputation (on this map at least) by your responses. i mean just look at your posts, you make excuses for losses (like "lack of sleep" and "getting lucky") and you only won one out of four haha. when people finally call you on your bullshit you go and say "i don't care, drop it!!" like they're harassing you or something.

you're the one that was the self-declared bloodbath expert with the name "BloodBath", when some random dude comes in and 3-1's you of course you're going to receive some shit from the forum.

no i don't think i can beat you on bloodbath and no i wont play you

On June 02 2005 02:18 BloodBath wrote:
I dont get to play any good players often and i never back down to a challenge and i always re.

On June 02 2005 02:38 Jim wrote:

This pretty much sums it up.

Ps. Some more players play him. He isnt hovz but its better than nothing.

On May 30 2005 12:54 SainT wrote:
i pretty much do this :

but i never play this maps
I might used it maybe in some other maps with a huge entrance though

On May 31 2005 13:25 BloodBath wrote:
i dont even care. so why do you?

On May 31 2005 18:03 BloodBath wrote:
I dont care drop it.

On May 31 2005 19:09 BloodBath wrote:
drop it, lets play again.

On June 01 2005 19:53 BloodBath wrote:
why the fuck do you care? and also DROP IT.

On June 02 2005 05:52 TserHossHiBreed wrote:
Yes well I never really commented BloodBath's posts, but I agree with his "sleep" point. The part where I do not agree is where you so dearly try to justify yourself and all. Let the skill do the talking. If you loose at 4 AM then say "GG", and "RE tomorow, sleep". It ends here. If you say "I lost because of this" then you're seeking trouble. Unless someone is 100% GM he's gunna jump on the occasion to say something like "excuses excuses". No matter how real or good your justification is, if it's too grave he will say "looool riiight newb" and if it's something like "I couldn't play 100% / I wasn't trying" well... I don't need to tell you the sort of answer he'll come up with.

My APM drops to 60 if I play any later than midnight and my average is 120, so I can sort of understand him.

I too consider myself some sort of "Blood bath vet" so if you're interested we could play. I've let up BB to focus on other maps (mainly LT, but I'm starting Luna) but I still remember the main stuff and I play 2v2 sometimes (with friends that didn't let up BB )

On June 02 2005 02:38 Jim wrote:

This pretty much sums it up.

Ps. Some more players play him. He isnt hovz but its better than nothing.

On June 02 2005 09:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
in case you didn't get it... my post was a joke

On May 28 2005 04:51 BloodBath wrote:
My default Zerg build order: 9 pool,9 extractor, 9lord, gather 100 gas for metaboost and harrass away making lings and hatches, or you can take the fast lurker tech route. but if you see 9 rax 10 depot 11 rax you can try and 11 hatch 10 pool.

On May 28 2005 04:51 BloodBath wrote:
... if you see 9 rax 10 depot 11 rax you can try and 11 hatch 10 pool.

On June 03 2005 05:07 Resonate wrote:

let's see that again:

once more:

... if you see 9 rax 10 depot 11 rax you can try and 11 hatch 10 pool If you scout it fast enough obviosuly

seriously, wtf?

On June 03 2005 12:01 labcoated wrote:
Bloodbath is a joke, i 5-0 him with mouse only

On June 09 2005 03:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I honestly don't care cause I know that a 9 rax opening with scvs to help can kill a zerg 11/10 fast expand on temple, (depending on locations though, but either way even 12/3 is much further than bloodbath. ) and the walking distance is unbeliavably much longer. I don't exactly remember but I watched the game and I'm quite certain he could have had 2 rines and scvs in your base before your pool was even finished. if you're playing against a good terran that means you're dead.
(and right now I'm at work so I can't check it out again. )

On June 10 2005 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
wow 5-0 is like.. labcoated won INFINITE % of the games and mouse only too.. so that's like infinite+six or whatever

this totally changes my opinion of bloodbath's ability on the map bloodbath, in a way that absolutely believes the non-trolling labcoated actually won 5-0

On June 09 2005 23:50 HeadBangaa wrote:
forget you guys, protoss owns blood bath

On October 09 2005 00:18 Luhh wrote:
But surely R(T)>T

Also did you know that you can wall with only 1 rax and 1 depot on paranoid android?

On May 27 2005 11:41 labcoated wrote:
i can theoretically see T being strong on BB but i don't know the strats to really take advantage of this. i'd like to know how to lose with T less, specifically with openers and what kinds of things force a T reaction. people say BB is simple with no strategy so hopefully people can post this kind of thing.

Hi, I was wondering how T>All on BB? Like, what build should terran do, how is it > All? I assume something like 8 rax rax depot and a timed attack with scvs against zerg or what? For T>All on BB should T kill zerg before they get lurkers? and against protoss what does T do on BB? just 2 rax with a better economy and get tanks to control the middle?

On September 03 2007 22:22 ke422azn3 wrote:


No, Toss is STRONGER. You just dont know how to play it.

On August 19 2007 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Humanity is quite possibly the worst species.

On September 03 2007 22:22 ke422azn3 wrote:


No, Toss is STRONGER. You just dont know how to play it.

On September 04 2007 04:03 lingwu wrote:
4 pool > all on BB

On September 04 2007 03:52 Hellmuth-X17 wrote:
Are there any bloodbath playing clans/channels? If so does any1 know where they are on east or west? I'd like to challenge some people :D

On September 04 2007 05:57 pheer wrote:


Everyone used to meet in OP BBATH
also OP EVILROOM
also DORKS
also RU

Not sure which are active anymore

On September 04 2007 02:36 DrainX wrote:


Poll: Most useless post in TL history?
(Vote): yes
(Vote): no

=D

On September 04 2007 07:07 Kwark wrote:


Have you guys forgotten the time warp bump? The topic appeared at the top of the strategy section and the unfortunate bumper opened it, read the OP, ignored all the "old post" messages and replied. His bump travelled back 30 seconds making it at the top of the list for himself to notice. Or a mod was toying with him. Or he was lying to cover his totally random bump. Either way. Do mods even have that power? That'd be awesome.

On September 04 2007 08:59 alphablend wrote:
Look who it is ke422azn the most well known hacker on all of bnet

On September 04 2007 09:45 ke422azn3 wrote:


You are making a pointless argument. Im 170 apm, you are 80ish apm. I have played 6000 games of bloodbath? You played maybe 1000

If I play you legit, its 100-0, if i hacked, id beat you 10000-0

On September 04 2007 09:55 alphablend wrote:
Oh, and if we do bet, someone is holding the money for us so you can't just bitch out.

On September 04 2007 10:27 ke422azn3 wrote:


1v1 bb lets play 5 games right now. Wisper ke422azn2 any time on useast newb.

On September 04 2007 11:38 LonelyMargarita wrote:
According to my bwchart, ke's apm is 116, including spam. Not that it matters. He's not very good.

EDIT: sorry, should have pmed I guess. Just wanted ppl to know KE tends to exaggerate everything due to his inferiority complex.