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My initial thoughts: 1. Palmar probably isn't scum. The case against him is claiming that a joke response was a scum slip. 2. People pushing for lynching Palmar based on the above are dumb or scum. If they've got a good reason (haven't seen any so far) then it's not suspicious. 3. tnkted is probably scum 4. Ferryman, you've got a great case on wiggles, but with one problem. You designed that case to prove that he's the EA. What you should be doing is analyzing and then figuring out what he is. Because it was the cause and not the effect, I'm not yet convinced by it. I'll get something more detailed up tomorrow morning. | ||
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Was his accusation of Palmar warranted, and does the logic behind it make sense to you? | ||
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On August 23 2011 23:45 Hesmyrr wrote: The deadline ends at August 25 2011 23:45 KST And this. We've got another day still. | ||
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On August 24 2011 21:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I find it strange that Tnkted found more reason to vote for Palmar than Navillus, and in fact let Navillus' whole first post slide. Am I alone here? Not at all. However, I'm not always the best scumhunter, so I'd like to call on the analysis skills of Jackal58. Jackal, what do you think of tnkted's play so far in this game? I'm also going to vote tnkted, since I can always change it later if need be. ##Vote: tnkted | ||
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On August 25 2011 08:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: While your looking into people that havn't said much: Is it just me, or does Chaos keep talking about going into more detail while never actually doing so? Yeah I know, this week is really busy. I'm hoping I have a little more time at home next week. I'll have a proper full-length analysis on tnkted up in an hour or less. | ||
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To begin with, we have him attacking an apparent scum slip by Palmar. Anyone with eyes can see that his slip was intended as a joke post, but apparently that's worth a vote. On August 24 2011 01:25 tnkted wrote: ...... okay. Nice crumb. ##unvote ...and a crumb is worth an unvote. On August 24 2011 01:25 tnkted wrote: Oh wait, the PMs are posted in the OP. NEVERMIND ##vote palmar And then a realization that it could have been a faked crumb is worth voting again. On August 24 2011 09:45 tnkted wrote: Ferryman, if you are new, then welcome to mafia! You have a bright future here, and if you're town mafia will probably want to hit you n1. In this case though, I think you might be right but lynching palmar is a better move here. Sir Jesse Wiggles ESQ (duke of yorkshire) is a notoriously difficult person to read at the best of times because he plays so close to the chest, and I've written my share of analysis on him and been wrong every time. That being said, your evidence makes a lot of sense, and if we don't have any other leads tomorrow I'd be totally happy gettin' wiggy wit' it. But right now, palmar is a better lynch because A) His response to the FOS has been very scummy B) The slip thing I mentioned earlier C) It's day 1 so if I'm wrong, it's not THAT big of a deal. Keep your eye on Wiggles and if you find anything else we'll act on it. For now though, Palmar is scummier than wiggles and I'd rather lynch him, Just some advice: the first post you posted felt to me like more of a pressure post (ie it wasn't very convincing) but the second one (the meta one) was much more convincing (wiggles rather comprehensive response notwithstanding). Here is where tnkted really begins to show his scumminess. The first paragraph can be ignored. Paragraph #2 contains a multitude of mafia traits. To begin with, he agrees with Ferryman's position, but still feels that Palmar is a better lynch. Why? Because Wiggles is tough to get a read on. This is a cautious wishy-washy stance. He allows an excuse for being wrong, and is stuck on tunnel-mode on Palmar, because that is a perfect cover for mafia to hide under. Paragraph 3\ABC Par. 3 supports the wishy-washy scum stance seen earlier. The ABC's display a terribly weak case against Palmar. He states that Palmar's response to being accused was very scummy, but fails to explain how. Even a general statement of how it was scummy would be better, but there is absolutely nothing here. Then back to the "slip", and finally closing with a careless attitude towards lynching town. We should never want to lynch town. Day 1 is just as or more important than any other day, because if we can lessen their numbers now, they have fewer kills on N1 and beyond. On August 24 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: Okay, lets talk about Navillus and Palmar. This is the reason why some people were suspecting Narvillus: versus this: Which one of those seems scummier to you? To me, the second comment seems scummier by far. Now, I'd be willing to believe that it was a joke if it wasn't for Palmar's response: This is a very sullen, angry response. Rather than joke around with my pressure and OMGUS, like Narvillus's did: Narvillus wasn't worried about the pressure because he was having fun and joking around; he knew he was innocent and he knew that jackal thought he was innocent. Meanwhile, Palmar's FIRST INSTINCT upon being accused was to lash out. his FIRST INSTINCT is to accuse me of manufacturing evidence. Is that a reasonable response? I sure don't think it is. So that's my case for accusing palmar. You can find it convincing, or you can find it unconvincing, I'm not really concerned about it. Much of what I just outlined happened in my head unconciously and I'm sort of explaining my scumdar pings after the fact, if that makes any sense. So according to tnkted his vote on Palmar was a joke, and he didn't think it was actually a slip. He states that Palmar actually defending himself was scummy because a player like Navillus was relaxed and joked around, because the vote on him wasn't serious. Comparing these two gives a solid impression that tnkted's vote on Palmar was not intended to be serious, which means that only Palmar's reaction to it should have been used as evidence. As can be seen by the previous post I quoted, however, tnkted is still using it as proof that Palmar is mafia, still considering it a scum slip. That's a rather large hole in his argument I'd say. On August 25 2011 09:51 tnkted wrote: Ok, several things are happening right now that need to stop. 1. Wifom. Go google 'wine in front of me' if you don't understand what this is. The post I just quoted was distilled seven times from fruit of the wifom bush, and if you were to drink it you'd get so drunk on overthought you'd end up throwing up all over qatol and get yourself banned. 2. Talk about 'taking responsibility for the lynch'. No, that's stupid, thats not how days generally work. Whoever gets lynched d1 gets lynched because the best case was made against them. The people who pushed that lynch the hardest aren't 'responsible' anymore than the people that they convinced. The arguement was just convincing. That's it. If we lynch cyber_cheese, tomorrow I might be the one that's most to blame, but I'm no more responsible and it doesn't make me any scummier if he does flip green. There are thousands of townies that have pushed a wrong read and got somebody innocent lynched; the fact that they were SURE that their target is town doesn't make them scum, it just makes them wrong. That shit happens in mafia. 3. The same principle applies for things like 'x defended y and y flipped mafia so x must also be mafia'. This is erronious thinking; there's nothing stopping mafia from defending certain townies to gain town cred. Mafia doesn't care who gets lynched as long as its not one of them, and often times mafia will try to bus their own teammates to get town cred. Town credit is more important to mafia than almost anything else, because it's a coin that can be spent at lylo for a free win. 1. Nothing scummy about this content. Nothing town either. 2. In this section of his post, tnkted wants to remove responsibility from players for mislynches. That is a ridiculously scummy attitude. The people who pushed the lynch DO have to be responsible for it, otherwise mafia can get away with coming up with a case on a slightly scummy townie and get a mislynch every day, and according to you get away with it scot-free. If you're pushing for someone's lynch and they flip green, then you do get a bit scummier for it. If it happens consistently we really need to take a look at you and sort things out. 3. Wrong again. You want to take away the only tool we have for linking mafia to each other. When somebody flips red, or green for that matter, we look back at who they interacted with and how they interacted with them. You're pushing a seriously mafia agenda here. Responsibility is key in this game, because mafia without responsibility don't have to worry about anything. tnkted is mafia. | ||
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On August 25 2011 18:45 Jackal58 wrote: Didn't realize that until Ferryman pointed it out to me. I agree with Chaos13 on tnkted. ##VOTE: tnkted Jackal never agrees with me so willingly. | ||
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On August 25 2011 21:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Uh yea I see how it could come across that way in hindsight I don't think he's innocent, I'm just saying I think he made himself look guilty in the same manner I did, more or less And noones specifically come out to defend him either if i'm not mistaken I'm looking for parallels that reflect in my play to learn the differences between sc2 and forum mafia as I go Thing is, you're new to forum mafia. tnkted is rather good at forum mafia. None of his play so far reflects this. | ||
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I have to change my play or something, I'm suspected of being scum d1 virtually every game I play as town. [QUOTE]On August 25 2011 12:07 chaos13 wrote: tnkted [QUOTE]On August 24 2011 00:57 tnkted wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2011 00:55 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2011 00:46 tnkted wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2011 00:29 Palmar wrote: I have discarded my win condition, my sole object this game will be to convince Jackal I'm town, seeing as it's a feat I've never achieved.[/QUOTE] Oh!? You have a win condition other than winning with town?[/QUOTE] derp. [/QUOTE] lololo #vote palmar[/QUOTE] To begin with, we have him attacking an apparent scum slip by Palmar. Anyone with eyes can see that his slip was intended as a joke post, but apparently that's worth a vote. This was a joke pressure anyway, to which palmar responded scummilly. [/QUOTE] This is pretty much where we can stop. It's joke pressure, meaning you really didn't think what Palmar said was serious, which means you really didn't think it was a genuine slip. But...you're still using it as evidence that Palmar is scum. | ||
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On August 26 2011 21:32 Forumite wrote: Okay, guys, if there are not a total of 7 votes on any one player in just under 2 hours, then there will be NO lynch. We have to lynch as a group, or we don´t lynch at all. If we don´t lynch then we loose a Townie, someone goes insane, we risk loosing the psychologist too, and we have 48 more hours of indecisive arguments, with the added bonus of WIFOM. If we mislynch, then at least we have SOMETHING to go on, we can look at votes and arguments, try to find connection between Scum. If we don´t lynch, then we have nothing, and basically restart the game with 8 Town, instead of 9. This. We already fucked up with Palmar moving his vote, and now we're having even more deflection away from tnkted. You know what that means? tnkt is scum and mafia want him to stay alive, and they want to make us waste our extended Day 1. | ||
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On August 27 2011 12:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm not sure that's a correct assessment Some roles might be incapable of it, but a role that dies the night it finds it's target? Outside of that we only really need the psych to heal the doc if he goes insane, and there's no way the mafia would let the doc live once he's revealed. Sure the psych helps in the fight against the EA, but he does it more effectively if we know where he's been I forgot about the bolded. That makes my previous statement a lot less logical. In that case ##Visit: Ferryman Why? His first posts were talking all about the EA, which is reminiscent of a blue role discussing who their role should target/how it should be used. I wasn't convinced of his case on Mr. Wiggles. It was a whole bunch of meta that, while useful in some situations, didn't actually hold up in this case. | ||
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On August 27 2011 21:28 Palmar wrote: are you intentionally not putting any effort into the game chaos13? Are you intentionally trying to screw over town by wasting extensions and lynches? Doing my best Palmar, but I am exhausted right now. I'll have more time for this game in a day or two. | ||
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JeeJee is seriously regretting that right now I bet. On August 28 2011 06:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm not entirely convinced on JeeJee.for two reasons 1) he could be trolling as town, out of boredom or something 2) if he's been using it as code, who were the recipients? surely theres some more examples, maybe even people replying? point 1) is weakened by his reply after it was spotted At this point, I think wiggles is clean: If I were the mafia, I'd choose someone intelligent, active, and that was trying to get an innocent lynched 1) I can't ever see town being stupid enough to intentionally put a mafia claim breadcrumb in their posts. 2) Code? Nah. He just got arrogant and thought he could get away with it. Of course, this could be set up for Jackal to gain a bunch of town cred. I wouldn't put it past JJ and Jackal. Especially Jackal. His scum play scares me after I watched him as mafia in a game I hosted. It scares me good. ##Vote JeeJee | ||
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On August 28 2011 10:43 Jackal58 wrote:I suck as scum  lol | ||
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On August 28 2011 20:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Well this is a really slow day, I'm sure we could be doing something productive instead of just being content with lynching JeeJee. Lets get some discussion going: At this point in time, who do you think is town, and why? I mentioned earlier that Palmar was the perfect example of this, and that's a part of why I think wiggles is town. Ferryman and Tnkted both pushed hard for a target to be lynched on day 1, Wiggles and Palmar respectively, harder than I believe a scum would on day 1, so I think they are town. People I want to hear more of: Sevryn, Eiii, Chaos You want us all to give you our town reads? What does that accomplish? It just gives scum better targets, because if 7 people think player A is town, and player A isn't on the mafia team, then who do you think they're gonna hit? Probably player A, and then we're short a trustworthy townie. I'll work on looking at JeeJee's posts and seeing if I can find similarities/connections to other players right now. Post what I find in a bit. | ||
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