i cant barely find any working replays of this strat but even then

i remember how elky made his own version of a bamboo rush for tvp and i just wanted to know how to do it?

i've tried but failed horribly in public games..

and thats another thing, i cant seem to find a good game nowadays and just arhhhhhhh anyone know how to help?

thx

GTR

51480 Posts

April 02 2005 11:20 GMT

wait for GroT to come!!!

choujji

Japan203 Posts

April 02 2005 11:28 GMT

just watch gundam replays
i m sure his replay packs has more than enough wins with that rush for u to learn it

maareek

United States2042 Posts

April 02 2005 12:12 GMT

I think he's asking for Elky's Gundam Expo? If so, I can remember seeing it a few times from the better foreigners. Basically you show rines, then go 1 fact tank + siege and expo to make him put down gates instead of double expoing. I'm sure somebody else can give you a description of the build order.

choujji

Japan203 Posts

April 02 2005 12:26 GMT

r u refering to that rush where its marines + unupgraded vults? theres a replay on this site where he beats FrozenArbitor using that

edit: my bad. i just checked out the replay database and it was liquid~drone and not elky

jjun212

Canada2208 Posts

April 02 2005 13:06 GMT

i cant find his rep pack for one...
and
i can copy what he does but many protoss users know how to defend it now

so i wanna also know how to continue the push without dying to say reavers or 3 gate goons

phexac

United States186 Posts

April 02 2005 14:59 GMT

I have not lost to a Gundam rush for quite some time. Mostly it's because I either go 2 or 3 gate goon or a tech rush, and any of those can beat the Gundam rusher fairly easily. The only way I have lost to an early push was when terran manages to sneak up on me, setting up his push outside my main without me seeing it. But that does not happen very often.

That said, it's obviously a vaible build because Gundam did well with it on very high level. It's hard as fuck to pull off if toss can micro. The first of you to slip loses.

jjun212

Canada2208 Posts

April 02 2005 16:00 GMT

yea, but elkys version prevents that though..

its a gundam but not a gundam

i wanna learn both T_T

VerticalHorizon

United States415 Posts

April 02 2005 16:41 GMT

It's basically you fake the gundam, but you actually just pull back and fast expo instead.... you force the toss into building maybe an extra gate or something, basically putting toss into a defensive posture so you can expo freely... it's a decent strat, but not something crazy radical or anything... it's all geared toward establishing the terran early game goal, which is to get your expo started before P

Addicted`To`Zerg

Bulgaria1353 Posts

April 02 2005 16:56 GMT

#10

i guess you mean elky vs mr.x

RedDress

Poland229 Posts

April 02 2005 18:42 GMT

#11

4 rines
fact+addon
suply
fact
tank + mines upgrade in addon
vulture
vulture vulture

+ scv and go , after mines upgrade make sige mode.

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

April 02 2005 23:05 GMT

#12

RedDress refrain from brainlessly posting some random shit you have to build and then "go", those are the worst posts you can possibly make in a strategy forum

NeverTheEndlessWiz

Singapore827 Posts

April 02 2005 23:07 GMT

#13

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=9002

^_^

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

April 02 2005 23:20 GMT

#14

if you scout bad, gundam regardless and run into a DT build (without shuttles, just dts on the ground very fast) you'll probably lose

basicly if you gundam against a fast robotics build you move out with 3-4 rines, a vulture and a tank and 1-3 scvs depending on what yoy prefer. Without range the toss can't prevent you from containing him with a bunker (powerful early game) . You also get to check out how many units he has as he will obviously use all of them in an effort to stop you, and too few units will betray a reaver drop or a ridiculously greedy brainless fast expo, the reaver drop is stoppable and the greedy fast expo has no chance

if he went fast robotics and then DT for dt drop you should be able to scout it even before u move out, he'll have like 1 goon and wont be able to leave his base at all

against 2gate range he'll have so many goons that you have to wait for your second tank to move out, but you can already send a lone vulture to try and get in some mines in a key spot

when you have 2 tanks you'll be able to push him back even though he'll have a lot of goons, and hopefully he'll run into a mine here or there because of his lack of early game observers

against 1 gate range into robo you will most certainly have the most difficult time, and I think it's the best (standard) build for P to use vs a gundaming terran. You should play similarly to how you would play if he had gone 2gate range.. that is, your opening vulture is crucial again and it will have to plant mines behind his goons. Annoying thing for the p here is that he can't wait for an observer to check out if you are expanding so you can do elky's fake gundam build and he'll likely end up going 3 gate against a fast expanding terran which is bad

you shouldn't try to leave your contain and actually attack unless he already fucked up and lost units. You can siege and force him away from his choke when your ion thrusters are done, allowing you for a real easy vulture harass that is very hard to stop for the p

if he doesn't fuck up you stay with your contain preventing him from expanding and use mines to monitor any shuttle movement out of his base

if i were toss my standard build vs T would be fast robo, so against gundam i'd get contained, i wouldn't waste any units, i'd go 3gate with leg ups and goon range, be patient and defend against vults for a little while, ferry out some units with a shuttle, attack the containment from both sides, and finally expo. If all of that goes well you will be ahead in macro and the terran will likely resort to dropship harass so you should make a lot of observers and go in harass defend mode.

overall keep in mind that gundam 's build is very old and with him around there is no good player using it anymore and therefore no good way to defend its viability. Maybe it's just not viable anymore.

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

April 02 2005 23:25 GMT

#15

also if you have good micro 2gate range is very good (your lack of observers gives him a lucky shot with a random mine killing a lot way more often than p's seem to think, but other than that you're gold)

but I can't relate to protoss users who just blindly go 2gate range in advance because they "expect" a gundam or whatever, I don't understand that kind of move even when I see kickass tosses do it

maybe they like 2gate range goons against other terran builds as well, I sure don't and I also hope they wouldn't do that on LT

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

April 02 2005 23:29 GMT

#16

succesful gundam rushes can be found in gundam's WSL replay pack as he did it almost every game and won almost every game

you can find succesful fake gundams in the elky vs rekrul liquibition

RaGe

Belgium9947 Posts

April 03 2005 01:05 GMT

#17

On April 03 2005 08:20 GroT wrote:
if i were toss my standard build vs T would be fast robo, so against gundam i'd get contained, i wouldn't waste any units, i'd go 3gate with leg ups and goon range, be patient and defend against vults for a little while, ferry out some units with a shuttle, attack the containment from both sides, and finally expo. If all of that goes well you will be ahead in macro and the terran will likely resort to dropship harass so you should make a lot of observers and go in harass defend mode.

well,you did that vs me on LT, but instead of holding the contain I just put 3 tanks there around the choke and some mines and then take my exp, so you just get an advantage when he comes down his choke with some units,cause you lose less then he does and started your expand earlier on.

or in your case you totally obliterate the contain with almost zero casualties a bit later on with the shuttle ferrying and stuff and you exp much later than the terran, terran hereby having a even larger advantage.

Nice post though, maybe you should add it to your sticky, cause it gives a nice summary of the goals of a gundam rush,of the pros and the cons, and of how to counter it

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

April 03 2005 02:03 GMT

#18

rage thats because im not a p player

i could have just had my first observer on your natural, saw when you expanded and walked over you.. but instead i kinda just lost track of the observer alltogether and never looked at it anymore

you played it all wrong