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itzme_petey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1400 Posts
December 12 2004 00:06 GMT
#1
I just played a game where the P went fast nexus after gate. The locations were crossed, is there a good BO to counter this? What if he puts down a well placed cannon?
"Last night, I played a game.. as I recall it was a strategy game.. Peeked around and what did I see, a girl playing starcraft better than me.. and I jizzed in my pants.."
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
December 12 2004 00:15 GMT
#2
If playing on LT.You put a well placed tank on his clif.
stimpack[pG]
Profile Joined November 2004
Philippines88 Posts
December 12 2004 00:22 GMT
#3
fast push to his main then to his expo.. 2 fac opening, go for vults mostly like 3:1 ratio to tanks.. dont forget scv's and build turrets coz he might go dark templars or zealot bomb.. do it like gundam..
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
December 12 2004 00:48 GMT
#4
According to Rek Gundam will evolve into a micro fight between both players.

iirc he'd suggested a 4 vulture drop into the main, but I'm not sure...
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
December 12 2004 02:19 GMT
#5
id suggest 4 vulture drop in main also, maybe a fact build and float/or drop onto his nat cliff simultaneously


On a slight side note. Heres a fun rep of toss fast expo.

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=26971
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27156 Posts
December 12 2004 03:15 GMT
#6
hahaha, art game MoB
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evanthebouncy
Profile Joined November 2004
China491 Posts
December 12 2004 03:41 GMT
#7
Fast expo for him
=
Harass for you

As they said above, vulture/tank drop, cliff tank will be suitible.

imo, you can fast expo too, but i may be wrong.

ps, how about nuke rush?
BOINK BOINK! Recursively defined
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
December 12 2004 03:47 GMT
#8
Tank drop on cliff and vult drop to main worked nice for me.
You have to kill him early or you will be in the reat shit.(I use to be )
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
itzme_petey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1400 Posts
December 12 2004 05:13 GMT
#9
OoO sorry, i forgot to mention it was Nostalgia.
"Last night, I played a game.. as I recall it was a strategy game.. Peeked around and what did I see, a girl playing starcraft better than me.. and I jizzed in my pants.."
tranCe[RaGe]
Profile Joined November 2004
United States420 Posts
December 12 2004 06:01 GMT
#10
just go 1fac fast 2tank/drop on cliff works everytime
Carpe Diem, Love and Hope...
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
December 12 2004 06:20 GMT
#11
2 fact vult and add a 3rd fact. You have to either destroy him or set him so far behind that he can't possibly optimize his perceived economic advantagae.

That OR

Gundam rush. Saw ChRh do this to PJ on Nostalgia where it's considerably harder to counter fast toss expo than on tempo. You should probably scout the fast nexus before your factory finishes so create 4 rines, send 2 scvs and bunker his choke while research mines speed and push from there.
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
December 12 2004 08:44 GMT
#12
MoB's rep showed me the scouts one and only strength, killing terran floating buildings
Diablo3 ID: Exalted#1710 -------R.I.P. http://hasuwar.isgsa.org. Much love to Toptalent
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
December 12 2004 10:47 GMT
#13
on LT go gol drop OR vult drop
on nost go gundam OR 3 fact
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
STD
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden350 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-12 15:01:21
December 12 2004 14:58 GMT
#14
if this is the game (Chrh vs PJ) it didnt go very well
Aah it's good to be teh member at yg clan
http://ygclan.vgaclub.co.kr/?m=replay&board=gosureplay&assort=tp&search=chrh&searcht=player&page=1&rno=39992
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
December 12 2004 16:14 GMT
#15
Anything will counter it if you play smart, if you went to starport 4vult drop on main with mines, he wont have observer that fast, if he teched instead of massing just overpowerhim with all you got, even with a few scvs.

Im not saying that anything you do will counter it, theres no absolute counter imo unless you know if he kept 1 gate ob or 2 gate range.
Im back, in pog form!
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
December 12 2004 16:21 GMT
#16
boxer rush, but with tanks
Diablo3 ID: Exalted#1710 -------R.I.P. http://hasuwar.isgsa.org. Much love to Toptalent
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
December 12 2004 16:27 GMT
#17
2 fact vult, 1 rax rine, rally point to him and bring several scvs
(you can take them off gas if you want to)
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loztdignity
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden176 Posts
December 12 2004 17:38 GMT
#18
Yea you could do a simultaneous tank on his expo cliff while harassing his base if possible with speed/mine vults. This will confuse the P, having two threats to attend to.
no thx.
BoY
Profile Joined November 2003
France378 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-12 18:40:11
December 12 2004 18:39 GMT
#19
i do 2 fac constant vult pumpin ( no add on) and rines constantly too.
It works damn well ( and its fun to own him with vult + rines )

when im back home, i will give you a rep of it if you want . . .


EDIT : or you could just listen to Eri T.T
Hadn t seen it ...
What i like is when you are looking and thinking and looking and thinking...and then suddenly you wake up.
seeyoulater
Profile Joined June 2004
970 Posts
December 12 2004 22:50 GMT
#20
There was a guy named OopsRush[PsG] from the retarded PsG clan. The guy was a total idiot and he wanted to play me 1v1, and he hosted on a UMS LT that i started dling when I already had all wgt maps. I already knew it was rigged, but I played anyway. I forgot my gas as protoss so I did a gate-->nexus build and he countered with gundam. My probes owned his army and I won the game. Looking at the replay I saw he put scv build time at 10 seconds instead of the usual 20 hahah

nevertheless I would still 2 fact rush him because oopsrush just sucked
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