• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:50
CEST 01:50
KST 08:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)8[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th156Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? RSL S6 finale at Blizzcon Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is effort ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12548 users

[H] 3 roach+speedling all-in PvZ

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 40 41 42 Next All
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 03:58:13
February 02 2011 04:08 GMT
#1
this is the 3rd time i've played this guy. i even knew this was coming. yes of course i could get a forge and some cannons but let's be honest, if u have to blindly forge and put cannons on top of ur ramp there is something wrong with the matchup. I have never cried imbalance in pvz before because I never thought the matchup was imbalanced, but.. what the hell, come on.

could a player better than myself (3200 master) please tell me what im supposed to do? hell, could any player please tell me what to do to stop this?

http://www.2shared.com/file/FXZMev4q/how_do_i_beat_this_pvz.html


UPDATE:

someone wanted to know how to beat it

well, the best way to beat this by far (that i've found, im sure there's other ways but i really think this is the best way to maintain a huge advantage) is to

1.) scout the timing. scout for roach warren just after pool, keep probe scouting zerg base just until lings are coming out

2.) make a 2nd gateway to complete ur wall. ur wall should be 2gateways and a cyber

3.) make a sentry after zealot like normal, but then start chronoboosting stalkers out while getting warpgate tech

4.) use ur forcefield to delay while u get some more stalkers out

thanks for everyone's advice!
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 04:11:27
February 02 2011 04:11 GMT
#2
Unfortunately when I try to use your link it keeps telling me my computer isn't compatible with their content.

Could you upload it on another site?
Atlare
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia893 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 04:17:14
February 02 2011 04:12 GMT
#3
This is the last person i expected to see write this sort of thread.. checking rep now though but I'm not better than you so take my advice with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Holy shit what the fuck.. thats.... WOW.
Considering learning BW
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 02 2011 04:14 GMT
#4
On February 02 2011 13:11 TheButtonmen wrote:
Unfortunately when I try to use your link it keeps telling me my computer isn't compatible with their content.

Could you upload it on another site?



http://www.mediafire.com/?nw2hgf4zjwwjcjh
BlackBlood
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia22 Posts
February 02 2011 04:19 GMT
#5
WTF! Jaw dropping!!
liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
February 02 2011 04:19 GMT
#6
I'm so gonna try this on ladder ^^
♥ Snute ♥ Scarlett ♥ Jaedong ♥ KeeN ♥
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 04:22:49
February 02 2011 04:20 GMT
#7
Wait is this a joke or something?

This is a standard 5RR, except he cut some roaches and added more lings...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/5_Roach_Rush_(vs._Protoss)

At the make 5 roaches point, he just made 3. And then put all his money into lings.
secret - never again
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 02 2011 04:21 GMT
#8
That was pretty damn cool.

For anyone who cant download the replay, its basically speedlings with 3 roaches to pressure the wall. And there are alot of lings.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 04:24:45
February 02 2011 04:21 GMT
#9
This seems like a roach rush with mass lings behind it. I know no one says this or does this, and I'm just a 2700 diamond, but if you go gateway, robo, gateway and chrono out your first immortal, it pops out just as the roaches are hitting your front, the hard part is the zerglings, but perhaps sentry control is the answer, but you can have an immortal out on time. Try testing that out, not guarenteeing it'll work, but try it.
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
Kallehoe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden67 Posts
February 02 2011 04:22 GMT
#10
sweet strategy! i´m definetely doing this when i go ZvP next time (random) wouldn´t 2gate opening be pretty good just to delay the attack? can he get roaches out in time that is.. ?
derrrrr
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 02 2011 04:22 GMT
#11
On February 02 2011 13:21 confusedcrib wrote:
This seems like a roach rush with mass lings behind it. I know no one says this or does this, and I'm just a 2700 diamond, but if you go gateway, robo, gateway and chrono out your first immortal, it pops out just as the roaches are hitting your front, the hard part is the zerglings, but perhaps sentry control is the answer, but you can have an immortal out on time. Try testing that out


dude, ur so wrong, there is no way in hell the immortal would be out even close to in time
e4e5nf3
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada599 Posts
February 02 2011 04:22 GMT
#12
I'm waiting to see exactly how many 3200+ Master Leaguers give a solution on this thread. :D
King takes Queen
OriginalBeast
Profile Joined September 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 04:23:41
February 02 2011 04:22 GMT
#13
Yeah, assuming you do scout it... either cannons or open void + complete wall off, I know the difficulty with opening void against zerg because then they go hydra and can really fuck you in a second attack with roach hydra, but unfortunately those are the only options I see.
More gg, more skill.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
February 02 2011 04:23 GMT
#14
3200 master here too
Try stalkers and add a pylon block entrance instead of zealot while harassing the roaches from attacking ur pylon until ur 3 gates are up to add more units in

He only has 3 roaches so he wont break that pylon too fast until u get out an additional 3 stalkers then use probes as well to stop the incoming lings wave

zealot sentry stalker instead of zealot sentry sentry

Not sure if this will stop, never seen this build
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 02 2011 04:23 GMT
#15
On February 02 2011 13:20 ch33psh33p wrote:
Wait is this a joke or something?

This is a standard 5RR, except he cut some roaches and added more lings...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/5_Roach_Rush_(vs._Protoss)

At the make 5 roaches point, he just made 3. And then put all his money into lings.


ur not very high rated are u? t.t

it's about the timing. notice i make 2 sentries asap, i've used my gateway constantly, and i still can't hold it.

let's be honest, had i chronoboosted units out of the gateway i still wouldn't be able to stop it. that should be clear from the replay
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 02 2011 04:24 GMT
#16
On February 02 2011 13:23 baoluvboa wrote:
3200 master here too
Try stalkers and add a pylon block entrance instead of zealot while harassing the roaches from attacking ur pylon until ur 3 gates are up to add more units in

He only has 3 roaches so he wont break that pylon too fast until u get out an additional 3 stalkers then use probes as well to stop the incoming lings wave

zealot sentry stalker instead of zealot sentry sentry

Not sure if this will stop, never seen this build



yeah that's what i think... cancel second sentry build a stalker... but im gonna be honest, i don't think that will possibly stop it too. might stop it if i like just keep adding to my wall over and over but it's gonna be the most ridic hard hold ever
Atlare
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia893 Posts
February 02 2011 04:25 GMT
#17
On February 02 2011 13:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 13:20 ch33psh33p wrote:
Wait is this a joke or something?

This is a standard 5RR, except he cut some roaches and added more lings...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/5_Roach_Rush_(vs._Protoss)

At the make 5 roaches point, he just made 3. And then put all his money into lings.


ur not very high rated are u? t.t

it's about the timing. notice i make 2 sentries asap, i've used my gateway constantly, and i still can't hold it.

let's be honest, had i chronoboosted units out of the gateway i still wouldn't be able to stop it. that should be clear from the replay


I was going to stay you shoulda chronoed gateway but it still wouldnt have worked since they'd have busted before anything else..

This hits LONG before a 5RR does Travis is right guys look at the timing -.-
Considering learning BW
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 04:27:55
February 02 2011 04:26 GMT
#18
The best idea I have without changing your build (which is pretty standard) would be to forcefield the ramp to lock some units in and then pull probes to kill them until your warp gate is done. You're 10 workers ahead when this attack comes so you can afford to lose some workers.

Another option is to scout his lack of expansion and throw down a forge, you can scout at the normal expo time for a speed first build and have almost enough time to get cannons up, he shouldn't be able to deny your scout since his speed isn't finished yet. The cannons would barely finish with 1 forcefield worth of delay. You can probably hold it with 2 cannons doing this since you'll have a second forcefield to cut his army in half.
=O
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
February 02 2011 04:26 GMT
#19
On February 02 2011 13:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 13:20 ch33psh33p wrote:
Wait is this a joke or something?

This is a standard 5RR, except he cut some roaches and added more lings...

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/5_Roach_Rush_(vs._Protoss)

At the make 5 roaches point, he just made 3. And then put all his money into lings.


ur not very high rated are u? t.t

it's about the timing. notice i make 2 sentries asap, i've used my gateway constantly, and i still can't hold it.

let's be honest, had i chronoboosted units out of the gateway i still wouldn't be able to stop it. that should be clear from the replay


My apology, didn't look at the timing clearly.
secret - never again
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
February 02 2011 04:26 GMT
#20
On February 02 2011 13:24 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 13:23 baoluvboa wrote:
3200 master here too
Try stalkers and add a pylon block entrance instead of zealot while harassing the roaches from attacking ur pylon until ur 3 gates are up to add more units in

He only has 3 roaches so he wont break that pylon too fast until u get out an additional 3 stalkers then use probes as well to stop the incoming lings wave

zealot sentry stalker instead of zealot sentry sentry

Not sure if this will stop, never seen this build



yeah that's what i think... cancel second sentry build a stalker... but im gonna be honest, i don't think that will possibly stop it too. might stop it if i like just keep adding to my wall over and over but it's gonna be the most ridic hard hold ever


yea its only the timing that is deadly, once u stop the initial break with pylon block, won't be too bad when u get out 3 additional units + probes
1 2 3 4 5 40 41 42 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 11h 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech101
Nina 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2860
GuemChi 1408
NaDa 11
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm120
League of Legends
Doublelift7959
JimRising 832
Other Games
summit1g17784
C9.Mang0505
Livibee132
Maynarde84
JuggernautJason50
Mew2King45
minikerr9
Temp09
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1275
BasetradeTV141
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 91
• davetesta76
• musti20045 35
• EnkiAlexander 19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21597
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
11h 10m
OSC
1d
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - GSB
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.