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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
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November 29 2010 13:08 GMT
#14
/in 3 games isn't too many is it O_o
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 00:10 GMT
#73
Heyyyyy I'm here! Sorry, I'm a varsity college athlete, so not ALL my time can be spent on mafia

I'm always a fan of reducing clutter (even if it is preemptive)

##vote Coag
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 01:05 GMT
#88
On November 30 2010 09:54 deconduo wrote:
Are we allowed say if one of the clues points towards ourselves, or is that too close to roleclaiming?


Ok, so I would think deconduo is one of the people listed then...
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 01:12 GMT
#91
HI AERES! No fake BG claims! =P
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 13:43 GMT
#124
I am very interested why pandain hasn't posted, normally he's so eager!

I think why everyone is saying about the ghost is probably true. It make sense that a power will be activated upon death. Thing is, would this be town or mafia power?

I'm hoping what someone said about the hooded figure being a mason is true, that would be interesting, and the clues make sense. I'm not sure if the clues were meant to lead us to mason, and instead it could just be Mafia KP.

No idea what to make of the lover born anew.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 16:35 GMT
#134
On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies

Now this is interesting.

The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player.

One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane.

Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy.


Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 17:39 GMT
#140
On December 01 2010 02:34 Barundar wrote:
You forget that
Show nested quote +
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.

was posted at the same time and could be related. Say 1 person "fell in love", and decided to fall in love with person 2, who was our Pharmocology student. By choosing person 2, person love gained his power of pharmocology.


That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 30 2010 19:48 GMT
#142
Ok, so, I mean, who do we want to lynch? Is the choice pretty much Fishball or Aidnai?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 01:14 GMT
#201
RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.

## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai


On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.


Really necessary though?

To address ghrur:

Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics

I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.

Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly

This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.

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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 01:26 GMT
#205
Hi Opz!
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 02:16 GMT
#209
On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role

Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?


The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.


I don't think you would make this role up. We are getting some role lists eventually, so for you to lie about this would just be stupid. Even if we weren't getting role lists, it wouldn't be worth it to lie about it on day 1.

The thing is, it is possible that mafia did this on Fishball just to incriminate him. I know it's a bit WIFOM and such, but I think it's worth keeping in mind. It doesn't 100% show that he's scum. Unless it's a stupid scum player who thought it would be a good idea to save his friend, even though you'd be told that you had to change your vote.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 02:31 GMT
#211
You must really enjoy writing these, don't you Doc?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 02:35 GMT
#212
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.


So we can roleclaim, but we can't share role PMs? I'm not sure what else the "documents" would refer to.

"Sometimes the day is over before you think"


Sounds like we don't have as much time as we think we do. Doc might end the day early, or maybe there is a role that decides when day will end. (One time use, of course)

Someone got caught speeding in a car.


Refers to a police officer role?

Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?


Sounds like multiple people can have the same role.

all fear or love the hammer


In the OP:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer".


Seems to me like it's referring to that.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 02:51 GMT
#218
On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.

And i think that is a hint for every role.

GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)


t(-_-t)
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 03:17 GMT
#225
On December 01 2010 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
BTW i know mod said don't roleclaim

but i'm the "jerk riddler"

my role is i have to make confusing riddles and rhymes to confuse everyone so i can laugh at how wrong they are about stuff

if i don't post a riddle once per day i get modkilled


I... O_o
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 13:17 GMT
#254
On December 01 2010 16:12 kingjames01 wrote:
I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh


The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc.


Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote:
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.


I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay.

If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned.


How bout this KJ:


On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.

And i think that is a hint for every role.

GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)


I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 16:46 GMT
#262
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01


I don't see why you are so against discussing blue roles. It is necessary for town to gather all the information we can. Right now, the only information we can get is through speculation of these clues, that is all Dr.H has given us.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 17:13 GMT
#269
On December 02 2010 02:02 Pandain wrote:
What the heck guys. It's like I'm not actually here and people don't actually respond to my pointing out that people are voting aidnai for no reason.

I want everyone who voted Aidnai to give reasons why they did, or immediate FoS on them(even more so, at least)


I voted Aidnai because RoL made some logical points that I haven't really seen towards anyone else's lynch. I am definitely open to ideas. Who would you suggest to lynch Pandain?

## unvote Aidnai
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 17:15 GMT
#270
On December 02 2010 02:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And why was this post ignored?
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you.
On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:
On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
...
The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now.

How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...

A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it.
Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim.

On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.

Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_-

Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture.

On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:
On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:
Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.

Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia?

Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere.

Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them.

So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?

I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win.
Point A
Point B
Point C
Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing.

On November 30 2010 10:56 aidnai wrote:
On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep.


On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe.


lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway!

But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL?

On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.


It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now?

Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly?

Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts.

Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.



It wasn't ignored at all. It is the reason I voted Aidnai. But if you want to have discussion and pressure players, then all for it, let's have a discussion.

Also, you're claim at "God" (i'm assuming is a false claim, because Doc would smite you) is null. Doc has given us clues to the roles, so discussing them is not completely meaningless, as you seem to think it is.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 20:35 GMT
#296
On December 02 2010 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
im pretty sure that fishballs role requires him to get lynched.

Doc said there are no village idiot roles
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