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On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote: THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS: 1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware. 2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint. 3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote: Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain! Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges, ... As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. | ||
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On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote: Wtf is a "smurf"? Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. | ||
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The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job. The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread. Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... | ||
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On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: <3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-; ______ on topic. vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform. Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... | ||
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On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote: My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. | ||
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On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. | ||
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-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss -A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position. -A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch. I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion. On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply. RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. | ||
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On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote: I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me  On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote: If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor?  Vote for me instead.On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote: Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote: Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Beneather caught my eye pretty early on with multiple apologetic posts. He has continued to show that he fits the profile of the guilty mafia who wants to be part of the discussion and blend in with everyone, but fails to provide any real contribution. He is scared to take a real stand one way or another, so he comes across as wishy-washy and unsure. Some of his posts in particular show that he is not simply a bad townie, but is in fact a mafia. Read on below... On December 11 2010 10:46 Beneather wrote: Woo! It has started awesome. Love these themed mafias even though this is my second game of mafia ! But I will try to be as much help to the town to find the man who's name shall not be spoken of. I guess it's election time I'm not going to be running for Mayor since I don't have much experience lol. Good Luck to those who do though! Making excuses that are completely unneccesary is often a sign of an inexperienced scum that feels guilty for being scum. Did anyone else apologize for not running for mayor? did anyone else feel like excusing themselves? not if you were town, you didn't. Also note how hard he wants to blend in... "I'll try my hardest" "good luck to those who do" run for mayor! etc. On December 11 2010 10:48 Beneather wrote: But realistically then what's the point of being MoM if your just going to allow people to choose to vote. I trust in the MoM to make the correct decision. Everyone is going to say I will lynch the person you all tell me to lynch what else can you bring to this table since we need an good MoM that we can trust. Here he states an opinion about the mayor. On December 11 2010 10:54 Beneather wrote: Yeah, that is true. Disregard my post I wasn't really thinking of it like that. But if he was mafia and just Lynch somebody important that is contributing a lot and helping the town find the mafia. We could just lynch the mayor. It really depends if the person turns out to be a mafia or a townie right? I think someone isn't stupid enough just to lynch a random person without the town approving it then we could just lynch the mayor right? Im really unexperienced please stop me if I'm acting noobie? and two posts later he flip flops! look how unsure he is, how apologetic and guilty. More excuses too. On December 11 2010 11:10 Beneather wrote: I think we should just wait and see before placing our votes on now we got to see who else will be running for MoM. Yes, it would be good to have a very experienced mafia player that is good for hunting mafia but what if he's mafia he's good enough to not look the part of being mafia and he can just pressure us in to choosing someone that isn't mafia and waste a day. doesn't say anything. "maybe we should wait, it would be good if we got a good townie as mayor, but then again it'd be bad if it was a mafia". ok. I'll call this CWC (contributing without contributing) for short, since we are gonna see a lot of this. On December 11 2010 12:10 Beneather wrote: Lol, I remember in one of the mafia games. There was a secret mafia vote and it voted on a mafia to make the towns change their decision and put it on the other guy which was a townie. So I believe this is all a mind game. We can not really be narrow-minded we have to look at other possibilities. LSB is a very aggressive player and active as well if he's a townie then he would be a good MoM but if he's mafia he can really start bandwagons on people. His point about LSB is the exact same thing he said in the previous post. CWC. On December 11 2010 12:17 Beneather wrote: What is this auditor position and what is it worth to us? Whatever it is it should be voted from the town, if the MoM does choose it could be a fellow Mafia and both would have the biggest influence on the town. Asking a question that was already just asked. Why would you do that? maybe CWC? On December 11 2010 13:46 Beneather wrote: I guess that is true maybe making people justify their choice of who they want to lynch is a good idea so we can have true players that are active and actually paying attention. But how about the people in the middle that do not know much and can't make up their mind to choose who to lynch in the first day. Very passive agreement with a post about including reasoning with votes. On December 12 2010 00:33 Beneather wrote: We will just have to wait and see what turns up. The decision is hard on who to trust since it's so early in the game. When is the required time for us to get a MoM? Wishy-washiness, un-confidence. On December 12 2010 04:45 Beneather wrote: It doesn't matter on how the person puts out his ideas. They're all exactly the same. The mayor gets to choose who to lynch but they're saying that they're going to listen to us so we just vote who to get lynched like every other day we do. The MoM is not special job since he doesn't have control over nothing except the first lynch. But who ever the MoM lynches is going to have to explain or we will just lynch the MoM. Simple as that. This doesn't say much, but what it does say is false. We had several different ideas put forward by different candidates. What is the purpose of this post anyway? it is to muddle and quash discussion about mayor candidates. If it doesn't matter, why get impassioned about it? why take a strong stance? let's all just be wishy-washy like Beneather and get nothing done! As a townie, there's no conceivable reason to post something like this. However, as a red, there are good reasons. 1) muddle discussion. 2) deliberately state innocent falsehoods that people will waste their time correcting and posting about. 3) CWC. On December 12 2010 12:19 Beneather wrote: After catching up and reading many posts. I believe that RoL shouldn't be MoM lynching someone because they give you a bad vibe is ridiculous and childish. No one will vote for you if your just going to waste the first lynch on someone you have a bad vibe on! We need to start off good and to get a mafia on the first day. I think RoL is the mafia because he sounds scummy and trying to lynch LSB for no other reason for "BAD VIBE" is stupid. I would like to request a role claim from RoL since we're all confused by his stupidity.. Here he clearly argues that RoL is mafia. On December 12 2010 16:24 Beneather wrote: I really do not know why people are voting those two I guess they're better candidates than RoL and LSB. Since they both aren't scummy looking. And here he completely reverses his opinion! amazing, right? On December 13 2010 01:41 Beneather wrote: I agree with you CubedIn very good analysis. From what you had said I am persuaded to think that deconduo may be a red. Using our first lynch on him would be a good start. If he turns out red which CubedIn stated we should lynch ilovejohn. This looks like the most reasonable suggestion we have gotten today. Not from "VIBES" but from reasonable logic. Here beneather completely misreads Cubed, who did not voice an opinion about deconduo. Cubed already corrected this, so i won't waste any more time. But again, what is the purpose? If Beneather was town, and he actually believed Deconduo was red, where is the follow up? There is none. No further analysis of Deconduo, no further pressure, no further discussion from beneather. On December 13 2010 03:33 Beneather wrote: If mafia doesn't run for MoM then what are they thinking of doing staying under the radar. There has to be a mafia running for MoM, LSB put a lot of attention on himself when he stated all his ideas such as private voting to keep mafia manipulating the votes by starting bandwagons. Then you guys stated that he could just manipulate the votes since no one else seeing it. Why don't he just post the results what each person had voted on this thread for all of us to confirm it after everyone has voted. Correct? But since LSB has dropped out we really do not have to worry about this. Summarizes some old posts, basically CWC. On December 13 2010 08:41 Beneather wrote: Yes, LSB looks like a suspect to lynch but getting rid of inactives earlier is better so we dont have to waste lynches later on in the game when we really need it. But if we are sure that LSB is a scum then we can just right towards him more information maybe a analysis on his posts would be good from you Airbag since your pushing on a lynch on LSB. Oh wait, you DO think LSB is scum? make up your mind already  Also please note that he does no analysis himself, instead encouraging Airbag to take care of it. Again, if beneather was town, he would have done some analysis himself, not just weakly hang on to other peoples FOS's. He would have pursused a target, not flip-flopped between popular targets. He would have pressured, not apologized. He would have contributed something to the discussion. Any of these things might have made me think twice...Beneather has unfortunately done none. ##Vote Beneather | ||
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On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote: Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressed Aidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] + On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote: Alright, we have a few smurfs. The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job. The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread. Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote: 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote: Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all + Show Spoiler [Minor, Unimportant posts] + On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote: rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote: From D1 post: On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Conclusion Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai This is not a good analysis LSB. Your main argument is lack of contribution. As RoL pointed out, there are only perhaps three players who had contributed anything substantive at that point. And I believe I have contributed now, with my analysis of beneather. You failed to show that any of my posts could not have a townie motivation for posting them. You failed to show a more likely mafia motivation for my posts. You even put words into my mouth. I never said RNG a mayor, and I don't recall anyone else saying that either. Whether smurfs matter or not is a matter of opinion. In any case, jackal58 looked fishy to me (he has done nothing yet to correct this view I might add), and the smurf thing was the best way to get him out of his lurker shell. | ||
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Please read my analysis of beneather and consider lynching him instead of me. He is a better lynch target. I'm not going down without a fight though. LSB, you are still twisting what I said about RNG'ing a mayor. I never suggested doing it. I was saying that having a mayor who would listen to a town vote would be equivalent to not having a mayor at all. In which case, why bother deciding who is mayor at all? While orgolove would probably prefer this, I think it is a waste and a bad way to go since the whole point of having a mayor in this setup was something to talk about/do day one. Again, I never advocated RNG. I used that specifically to put down the idea of a mayor who would just listen to a town vote. | ||
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On December 13 2010 10:04 LSB wrote: 1) *Illusion of contribution. Illusion of contribution is a good way to find scum. Scum try to pretend to be active without actually saying anything I'm looking at Ver's Analysis of Protactium 2)Wut? 3)Right here The thing is, at this time, everyone was talking about how we should vote for 'someone who will listen to the town'. You were assuming that people would take up your idea. 4) Annul told us to drop it, so I'm dropping it. Talking about smurfs is a great way to get postcounts for my Reaver thou 1) My contributions were not an illusion. I pressured two newbs/lurkers to post by calling them out about voting for deconduo, and I got another (acutally the same) lurker to post by doing the whole smurf routine. I found a solid lynch candidate in beneather. Even though this was posted after your analysis of me, I wrote the analysis (and posted it) before I ever saw your accusation of me. 2) You went through my posts and blew them off as not saying much. You never took the next step and showed why a townie would not post the things I posted. Thus your analysis is weak. Furthermore, I can give reasons for why I posted what I did. I have done so already for some posts (smurfs). 3) Already went over this. 4) I guess you're conceding on this one. | ||
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If I die, I want to have this stuff out there: -jackal58 and ilovejonn are active lurkers. They should have received more suspicion today. -LSB did a criminally weak analysis on me. I know he's capable of better. Since he is sticking to it even after my analysis of beneather and hearing my defense, he is another prime suspect. -Beneather is an awesome day 1 lynch. If you don't get him today, please get him soon. | ||
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Annul, very nice job with the setup and day/night post flavor and general hosting. I'll be looking for more games from you, if you're up for it. As far as balance, town seemed OP at the end with all the DT/roleblock/medic roles, BUT, I still think mafia would have won if Dr.H had not had the misfortune of claiming Poppy to the real Poppy (lololol). To be honest though, I did have several frustrations with the town play this game. 1) it made me mad when after I was lynched, people were like 'oh, draco, that's not such a bad lynch'. I WAS TOWN ORIENTED. 2) Kita gave town a clear 1:1 choice with the double name claim, but then town lynched pandain wtf? 3) inactivity played a huge role in the missed dr.h/pandain lynch. Inactivity almost won the game straight up. Very frustrating to watch ilovejonn come to the thread with enough time to tip the scales, then putz around saying 'i have 20 more minutes' and still never vote 4) not much analysis. Several mafia pretty much outed themselves trying to save DrH (especially cubed and barundar), and the vote lists were pretty damning as well. But the town instead relied on the information roles and town circles and role claims. It worked for this game, but I don't think it's the best way to play. On the scum side, I thought bussing LSB to 'confirm' orgolove and airbag was pretty smart. I don't think anyone picked up on this analysis-wise at any point. Snape was definitely a liability, and they got two semi-confirmed 'townies' out of the deal. Although to be honest airbag tried to take way too much credit for the lynch when practically the whole town was screaming about LSB's scumminess and orgolove didn't follow up his 'confirmed' status by misdirecting town or doing anything really... GG everyone, hope to play with you again soon. | ||
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