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This idea of Brood War dying has been discussed way too much. Plenty of people still play brood war, and there's no incentive to switch over to sc2 unless you were a top player that was sponsored by a team and competed in tournaments like WCG and TSL that no longer exist.
Nothing has changed for all of us, the regular players. If you're upset that more people are playing sc2 just don't join them and keep playing brood war. Its that simple. Everything revolves around economics, if people don't play or care about sc2 then nothing has changed in the community since before it was released.
And i don't mean your casual whatever players, they'll play anything thats new and won't be playing sc2 a year or two from now so there's no reason to worry about them.
You all as players don't realize the huge amount power you have in all this. Nobody is forcing you to play either game so play the one you love. The tournaments come from the sponsors who only give money for games they think people care about. So show them you care! it all revolves around you, the player. And it catches on with your friends, you stop playing sc2 and once in a while your friends come and play with you, and maybe it catches on who knows. Or maybe they start playing both.
And the whole mental aspect and all these threads about brood war dying don't help anything. It isn't dying, the people who left are already gone and i don't think they're still leaving en masse. Why would they have waited until september? So just focus on doing what was so easy for everyone before sc2 was released: Watch vods, watch streams, play ICCup, be active in the community and act like nothing happened because the only real change for the casual player has been a mental one.
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I completely agree with you except that I'm more worried about the proscene than the casual BW players;;
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On September 27 2010 11:35 l10f wrote:
I completely agree with you except that I'm more worried about the proscene than the casual BW players;;
This.
All the recent news about coaches leaving, players leaving, teams getting sold/disbanded...Has left me in despair.
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On September 27 2010 11:25 funnybananaman wrote:
Nothing has changed for all of us, the regular players.
Except for Iccup now being ridiculously hard ;_;/
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When does new season of Proleague / OSL / MSL start ordinarily?
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except iccup is infested with smurfs...
more so than before Q__Q
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On September 27 2010 11:39 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 11:25 funnybananaman wrote:
Nothing has changed for all of us, the regular players. Except for Iccup now being ridiculously hard ;_;/
eh I'd say it's about 500 points harder than it was before beta came out. It's harder but not THAT much harder.
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I'm just worried about the lawsuit between kespa and gretech that could shut the sc1 scene down. I can never play sc2, and support bw forever, but it won't have much effect on the lawsuit
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On September 27 2010 11:35 l10f wrote:
I completely agree with you except that I'm more worried about the proscene than the casual BW players;;
Fair enough, its true we as foreigners don't have much impact on the korean scene in terms of being a fan base. But BW is so huge in korea I'm confident it will survive in spite of legal trouble.
But think of it like this: If many koreans stay with brood war a couple years down the world will gom/gretech really be more successful at drawing viewers for SC2 than proleague? If not, then blizzard would be going against their own financial interests by only allowing sc2 companies exclusive rights. (they could reverse that decision down the road if they wanted to couldn't they?) So basically we'll be ok if enough koreans think like you and I
But as far as the foreigner pro scene goes if the community is still behind the game, there could be plenty more tournaments. Sure its kind of a vicious circle since most of the best players (except G5 <3, and i think nyoken too?) have gone to sc2 so the competition level wouldn't be quite as high. But that would change over time as good players would realize they still have something to play for. I mean there are still ssmb melee tournaments in spite of brawl aren't there?
On September 27 2010 11:39 Crunchums wrote:
Except for Iccup now being ridiculously hard ;_;/
Eh personally i really don't see this, from my experience this season everything seems similar enough. 500 points harder max, probably less.
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happens everywhere. bw had a good run, but now its time for sc2. lets hope sc2 can live up
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I say the lack of innovation and competition would kill the brood war scene. There are very few innovators left in pro-gaming scene and most just play standard - which is boring. There are only couple leaders, like Fantasy and Zero, and the rest are all imitators. The new generation of players are simply encouraged to follow the footsteps of the old without being encouraged to create new. Players are too concerned with winning and too afraid of losing to try anything new or be concerned with the desires of the fans.
Like Jaedong and Nada said, the skill gap between progamers are actually pretty close, so they do not dare to do anything creative/risky in fear of losses. The fans aren't helping either. They expect their champions to win against xxx or it's matchfixing rumor mill. If their champion does something gimmicky and loses, negative pressure would be exerted that cause the affected player to lose motivation in innovation. It's a vicious cycle.
For example, Fantasy. He is pretty much the ONLY player remaining in the scene who tries new stuff every other match. Look at all the hate he is getting from TL, for both victory and defeat.
Oh, and of course, it's basically Flash v.s. Jaedong fest right now. Without variation, it simply isn't entertaining.
I am pretty damn sure that the current e-sport scene is not gaining viewership, but rather steadily losing it. If you look at the current trend, most of those who attend a SC live-event are all teens or early 20s. For GSL, it's pretty much all young guys (not even girls). If you look back at the old vods, the age of Boxer and Nada, their fanbase is composed of fans of various generations and ages.
So yeah, I think it's dying.
What e-sport NEEDS is a leader, someone who truly shines, outspoken, charismatic, able to unite all e-sport fans and attract new fans across the generations by reaching out to the mainstream like Boxer once did. We need somebody with Flash's mentality, Stork's personality, Fantasy's creativity, and Bisu's face.
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I plan on playing brood war until I no longer have the physical or mental capacity to win.
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I don't care, I wanna watch the proleague :|
Iccup is great, but watching proleague and starleagues is so much better.
When a colleague at office asks me if I watched the NBA match or soccer match last night, I love to say : "hell no I was watching the Proleague !"
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On September 27 2010 12:14 dukethegold wrote:
We need somebody with Flash's mentality, Stork's personality, Fantasy's creativity, and Bisu's face.
Or just FBH's hip thrusts.
Honesty, just wait a month for the start of the new Proleague season, it will be epic awesomeness.
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On September 27 2010 11:39 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 11:25 funnybananaman wrote:
Nothing has changed for all of us, the regular players. Except for Iccup now being ridiculously hard ;_;/
lol yeah your "average" D level player has about 250 APM. (140 eAPM) according to bwrepinfo
Iccup isn't really fun for me anymore. The skill gap isn't justified. Least on SC2 if you get raped you get thrown into bronze/silver league, but on Iccup it's rare for me to find REAL D to D+ level players so I'm stuck playing against wannabe SC amateur B team players.
I'd play SC2 100% if it wasn't for the fact that I'm saving money for a real PC. My current laptop has integrated graphics which equals instant fail and my processors are pretty old.
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Just wait for october guys .. all of your doubts, questions and boggles will be cleared, answered and then some ..
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I'm not too worried about BW dying off or the proscene dying off. Only eStrO was disbanded and they were kinda headed that way anyways. This sort of stuff always happens, but the scene changes and evolves through these processes. Also since Korean league already said "screw the lawsuit, we're going ahead with next year's Starleagues anyways", unless a significant final decision is made, I wouldn't worry about it going away just *poof*.
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On September 27 2010 12:52 Diminotoor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 12:47 aimaimaim wrote:
Just wait for october guys .. all of your doubts, questions and boggles will be cleared, answered and then some .. Why? What happens in October? :o
uhmmm .. Start of a new season??
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On September 27 2010 12:53 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2010 12:52 Diminotoor wrote:On September 27 2010 12:47 aimaimaim wrote:
Just wait for october guys .. all of your doubts, questions and boggles will be cleared, answered and then some .. Why? What happens in October? :o uhmmm .. Start of a new season??
lol for some reason I thought he was referring to GSL2 like, wiping us out or something... bad thoughts T_T
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yeah when we say that BW is dying we mean that the proscene is dying and all the teams are falling apart
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