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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
On September 27 2010 12:44 Silentness wrote: lol yeah your "average" D level player has about 250 APM. (140 eAPM) according to bwrepinfo Iccup isn't really fun for me anymore. The skill gap isn't justified. Least on SC2 if you get raped you get thrown into bronze/silver league, but on Iccup it's rare for me to find REAL D to D+ level players so I'm stuck playing against wannabe SC amateur B team players. I'd play SC2 100% if it wasn't for the fact that I'm saving money for a real PC. My current laptop has integrated graphics which equals instant fail and my processors are pretty old. lol yeah your "average" D level player has about 250 APM. (140 eAPM) according to bwrepinfo Iccup isn't really fun for me anymore. The skill gap isn't justified. Least on SC2 if you get raped you get thrown into bronze/silver league, but on Iccup it's rare for me to find REAL D to D+ level players so I'm stuck playing against wannabe SC amateur B team players. I'd play SC2 100% if it wasn't for the fact that I'm saving money for a real PC. My current laptop has integrated graphics which equals instant fail and my processors are pretty old. See there you go you guys are getting the hang of it! whining about smurfs on iccup used to be so popular before sc2 but it looks like even now people are still doing it! Way to keep the spirit of the ladder alive! In all seriousness lol, iccup really isn't that much harder than before. D players do not have 250 apm. I'm only like mid D+ Terran and this season i got to D+ at like 11-3 record same as every season. And Im doing decently (the same as ever) laddering with my high D protoss. You saying that you can't find any real D/D+ people to ladder against and therefore have to play only korean B players says to me: A) that you have only played a few games (like less than 6-8) or have gotten really really unlucky and ran in to a disproportionate amount of good people. B) that you are most likely below D/D+ level but aren't willing to admit that to yourself so you rationalize your losing by saying that iccup has gotten way harder and ur just getting smurfed all the time when the reality is you are just bad. sorry to burst your bubble  | ||
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Ideas
United States8180 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
One day when I have kids, SC3 will be out, but I'll make sure to show them the true original and how raw it was back then (by then bots will probably be playing for you!) ^_________^ | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51638 Posts
On September 27 2010 13:59 Amnesia wrote: I'll be playing BW forever. One day when I have kids, SC3 will be out, but I'll make sure to show them the true original and how raw it was back then (by then bots will probably be playing for you!) ^_________^ Honestly speaking I'm gonna be the one who makes SC3. I honestly don't care about people worrying because there's still gonna be proleauge,MSL and OSL.Them worrying/raging/leaving TL means that we lose the weak minded fools.Plus less people on streams means less lag. Note:I do not mean to offend anyone here. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
Estro being in a bad situation is practically overdue, a lot of old players that accomplished little left the scene (during the offseason, no less). Effort has his own reasons for leaving that are, in all honesty, very good ones. As long as the leagues start with the new season, BW won't die. The biggest things are the retiring coaches, because of how many left in a short span. I don't have that much proscene knowledge from years back, but I'm pretty sure that while coaches change, that was a rather major shift. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
You guys can hold onto BW but honestly the game is going to slowly fade into oblivion. Just like WC2 it's sometimes necessary to accept that the game you played for 12 years is done. | ||
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xarthaz
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On September 27 2010 12:44 Silentness wrote: lol yeah your "average" D level player has about 250 APM. (140 eAPM) according to bwrepinfo Iccup isn't really fun for me anymore. The skill gap isn't justified. Least on SC2 if you get raped you get thrown into bronze/silver league, but on Iccup it's rare for me to find REAL D to D+ level players so I'm stuck playing against wannabe SC amateur B team players. I'd play SC2 100% if it wasn't for the fact that I'm saving money for a real PC. My current laptop has integrated graphics which equals instant fail and my processors are pretty old. Honestly, you can always see a way to improve your play. I get owned by D+/C- and even D sometimes, but even if they severely outrank you there's probably a way to improve your play as long as you have a good mentality. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
BW is dying because strategically the game is too thoroughly mapped out to invoke the same level of enjoyment that it did years ago, hence the gradual decline in popularity. We will likely never see the same level of popularity that we once did. But who has left the progaming scene? Mostly older gamers who have been finding it difficult to compete due to changes in how the game is played and overall improvements in mechanics (guys like NaDa and July used to be considered blazing fast, but in today's gaming scene there are B-teamers who are notably faster), and also guys who couldn't make it -- guys like MVP who realized that they would never make a Starleague final. I've seen a stream of names of retirements, but really, the only major upset in all of this was the loss of Effort. And I do realize that eStro is likely to disappear and that Woonjin was gutted, but let's face it: this isn't the first time eStro has been on the brink of getting disbanded and what Woonjin lost was it's string of snipers and back-ups, not the core line-up (yes, Kwanro left to SKT1, but Kwanro hasn't been performing very well for Woonjin). The only thing that really worries me is the KeSPA/Gretech issue. But barring complications from that, I'd expect SC to continue having televised events for a few more years. Even if SC2 is capable of replacing SC, it will take a while before it develops to the point where it can fill daddy's shoes. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
What really annoys me is that BW's engine is just too different - it has its own specific cool features which are inevitably lost in SC2 - so I don't accept the idea that one of these games can "replace" the other. No way, their similarity is on very superficial level, but really are two very different games. It would be like saying that RTS replaces chess. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Just imagine though, if Gretech/Blizz lose their court case how much BW will continue to grow in South Korea and possibly beyond. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On September 27 2010 11:35 l10f wrote: I completely agree with you except that I'm more worried about the proscene than the casual BW players;; I can't help but worry about the damage Gretech/Blizzard might do to proleague | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On September 27 2010 16:04 Mortality wrote: BW likely is dying, but many people wrongly assume that the death is here and now. It doesn't have to be and it probably won't be. BW is dying because strategically the game is too thoroughly mapped out to invoke the same level of enjoyment that it did years ago, hence the gradual decline in popularity. We will likely never see the same level of popularity that we once did. But who has left the progaming scene? Mostly older gamers who have been finding it difficult to compete due to changes in how the game is played and overall improvements in mechanics (guys like NaDa and July used to be considered blazing fast, but in today's gaming scene there are B-teamers who are notably faster), and also guys who couldn't make it -- guys like MVP who realized that they would never make a Starleague final. I've seen a stream of names of retirements, but really, the only major upset in all of this was the loss of Effort. And I do realize that eStro is likely to disappear and that Woonjin was gutted, but let's face it: this isn't the first time eStro has been on the brink of getting disbanded and what Woonjin lost was it's string of snipers and back-ups, not the core line-up (yes, Kwanro left to SKT1, but Kwanro hasn't been performing very well for Woonjin). The only thing that really worries me is the KeSPA/Gretech issue. But barring complications from that, I'd expect SC to continue having televised events for a few more years. Even if SC2 is capable of replacing SC, it will take a while before it develops to the point where it can fill daddy's shoes. Your name is too fitting On September 27 2010 12:12 omgbbq2 wrote: happens everywhere. bw had a good run, but now its time for sc2. lets hope sc2 can live up Oh wait, it didn't live up to broodwar. I still feel like this is just the Warcraft III thing except a blown out of proportion because of the title is Starcraft 2 and not Warcraft 4. Remember they had the interview with Boxer, about how he was considering switching to Warcraft III and was practicing Nightelf or something? I believe in Broodwar | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Although to be honest, I really don't see Gretech winning in a Korean court so I'm not that worried. The only people who are making these "death of BW" threads are just the random sc2 noobs lol. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 27 2010 12:37 endy wrote: I don't care, I wanna watch the proleague :| Iccup is great, but watching proleague and starleagues is so much better. When a colleague at office asks me if I watched the NBA match or soccer match last night, I love to say : "hell no I was watching the Proleague !" YEah!!! same with me, I've got many friends who tend to ask me about football matches blabla, as if I should really watch much of this stuff, but I watch SC, since I discovered Proleague it consumed all that I liked in sport, so now I stopped watching anything on TV at all, cause for me its much more entertaining to watch, to discuss, and to be with TL community, thank you guys!!! SC universe forever! | ||
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crazeh
91 Posts
On September 27 2010 16:42 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I still feel like this is just the Warcraft III thing except a blown out of proportion because of the title is Starcraft 2 and not Warcraft 4. Remember they had the interview with Boxer, about how he was considering switching to Warcraft III and was practicing Nightelf or something? I believe in Broodwar Starcraft 2 may end up a bit like warcraft III but to me it seems like a lot more people are playing SC2 than were playing warcraft III, and even when warcraft III got popular it was only dota. Games are just much more fun when all your friends are playing them. BW is easily a superior game to starcraft 2 but I barely play BW anymore (actually that's wrong, I don't play at all at the moment. With BW I am either playing heaps or not playing at all) because I do find it less enjoyable vsing random koreans over and over, though following the pro scene never gets boring. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
In 1-2 years there wont be a SC/BW Pro Scene anymore if u ask me.. And more and more people will lose interest and settle with SC 2 | ||
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