Stop Worrying! - Page 5

On September 29 2010 11:47 Ajnin wrote:
its been 12, TWELVE YEARS, god give it a break. SC1 had its fame for as long as a game needs, and a sequel is exactly what it needed. OFC people will still play BW, but it will decline.

On September 29 2010 11:47 Ajnin wrote:
Compare these pointless arguments to anything in the world of secondary products. If you have a 2003 ipod, sure it plays the music and people still have it, but when a 2010 ipod comes out its not like the new/casual/long time listeners want an old product. This can be compared to so many things it would be impossible to list them out.

On September 29 2010 11:47 Ajnin wrote:
Koreans/TL/ICCUP is holding up BW, and the community of BW is a fraction of SC2. Sponsors will go to SC2, more tourys for SC2, more people for SC2. Korea will be the only place with maybe a .5% of americans playing in years time, and even then more and more koreans are moving on to SC2.

Its not bad if SC dies, its been running for so long that people crying about it now is just ridiculous and is over exaggerating the loss. Some people still have 2003 ipods, dont they? Some people still play BW dont they? TL can complain all they want on BW, it wont change how people are moving to SC2 and how it has such a bigger impact on the casual and hardcore scene (in terms of how long its been out) of america/europe/etc.

BW is just not the place for a casual player. D/D- can alone be ridiculous.

To all these people that are saying SC2 wont be as good, wont live up to the hype, and cant compare, are obviously retarded. Its been like 3 months, its a fucking baby. It needs to be updated and all these builds/discussions/strats need time. Your obviously an idiot if you ALREADY think SC2 sucks. BW had its time, more then enough time for any game, and evolution takes its correct place. Support the growing SC2 community! It has millions of users! It has already helped Esports a ton.

(note:IMHO. not to offend anyone.)

On September 29 2010 12:20 matjlav wrote:


Why? Most physical sports have been around for centuries. Why do people have this mentality that BW has to die?



On the other hand, there's also the case of Windows XP and Vista, where people realized that Vista was a crappy system, so some even paid to have their computers downgraded to XP.



The main problem I have with this insistence of "Out with the old, in with the new" is that there's no reason right now to believe that SC2 has the potential to develop into what BW has become. There's simply no reason to say that one should oust the other simply because it has the same name with a "2" at the end of it.

And for me, I seriously doubt that SC2 will ever become more interesting to me unless there's a complete overhaul of graphics and engine. My issue with the game has nothing to do with balance or skill level. It's simply not fun to watch. I don't think "evolution" will change that.

On September 29 2010 12:44 Ajnin wrote:


1. SC is not a physical sport...lol.
I'm not saying it HAS to die, but im saying its inevitable. OFC some will still play.


2.Windows Xp and Vista? Thats one example. You cant even comprehend how many examples i could give you. /facepalm

3.No reason for SC2 potential? How can you say that when the game came out 3 months ago? Thats almost like saying WoW would never have 15+ million subscribers in a few years because the first 3+ months were bad/unbalanced. Patches, Expansions, and nerfs is what evolves the game. No potential is YOUR opinion.
Not saying my opinion isn't what i used for this post, but from feedback and the amount of people on it atm, it does have potential. Lol im not saying trust it cuz its a sequel, im saying trust it from the TL community, the casual gamers, the millions playing it atm, the tournys, sponsers, the pros.
The GFX/Engine i will not even comment about. Ridic.
The game has alot to do about skill level. let it develop ffs. Not fun to watch is a stupid, vague, unsupported opinion.

On September 29 2010 11:47 Ajnin wrote:
To all these people that are saying SC2 wont be as good, wont live up to the hype, and cant compare, are obviously retarded.
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(note:IMHO. not to offend anyone.)

1. SC is not a physical sport...lol.
I'm not saying it HAS to die, but im saying its inevitable. OFC some will still play.

On September 28 2010 05:46 Ver wrote:
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On September 29 2010 13:29 ShadeR wrote:


You are kidding right? You think just anyone can consistently sustain those 12 hour practice sessions?
People like you with the whole "out with the old in with the new" mentality are eSports greatest enemies.

People like you with the whole "out with the old in with the new" mentality are eSports greatest enemies.

On September 29 2010 13:05 matjlav wrote:


You're missing the point.

It is indeed only my opinion that SC2 is uninteresting to watch. But this is an argument of opinion. "Not fun to watch" is vague and unsupported, but in the grand scheme of things "not fun to watch" is all that matters.

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Your post was trying to explain why we should want SC2 to come and replace the BW scene. I explained why I don't want that. I could argue all of your analogies and specifics, but my point is that old things don't always need to die, and newer does not always mean better.

The only argument of yours that is not some random irrelevant nitpick is that we should trust SC2 because of all of the support it has now. Well, SC2 is the result of years of hype, and it's been pidgeonholed by Blizzard as an eSport and advertised as such. It's also following up on the success of BW. Of course it's going to be have some success as a game and as an eSport in the first months after its release. But it doesn't really have much bearing on whether this will be lasting. And, in my opinion, it won't last.

also:


lol

On September 29 2010 14:52 rick-dmg wrote:


You do realize virtually everything good in the world comes about through progress, right? Do you think the NBA would be a big success if they were still shooting the ball into wooden barrels where they had to pull the ball out the top every time? How about the NHL only playable on actual ice rinks in some frozen wasteland? They had an audience... but it wasn't exactly growing.

As it stands, SC:BW is not "dying", but it is not picking up success anywhere besides Korea. Nobody in the rest of the world cares about it, and due to its brutal graphics... it obviously has a shelf life that MUST end (at least in the eyes of the viewing public).

So, to say people that want to expand, update, and move the eSport scene forward are somehow it's greatest enemies - is just a really short-sighted thing to say. The game has a brutal learning curve where you simply cannot compete unless you have been playing it for many years. IMO, that isn't as much "skill" anymore... and is more muscle memorization + repetitive gameplay. If I start playing today... there is ZERO chance I will ever beat players that have 10+ years of experience. Not because they are inherently smarter players, but because they have a huge experience advantage that would make ANY idiot play better than a new participant.

Do you want pros that win simply based on an unfair experience-advantage, or based on the fact they can adapt and create new strategies in a fresh new game? Personally, I think the real skill comes from being able to adapt and learn something new from time to time. I think a refresh like SC2 gives the game a huge opportunity for growth, and resets at least some of the experience (obviously macro/micro/multi-tasking still plays a significant role).

There is such a huge opportunity for eSports to actually materialize into something significant in the entire world. It's sad to see people cling to a game that clearly has no growth potential... and it's just plain frustrating to hear them proclaim that moving the scene forward is somehow a negative thing.

Do you want pros that win simply based on an unfair experience-advantage, or based on the fact they can adapt and create new strategies in a fresh new game? Personally, I think the real skill comes from being able to adapt and learn something new from time to time.

On September 29 2010 15:02 Ajnin wrote:


I do understand what you mean with the A.I; It is a good point. SC2 is a little dumbed down.

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I dont think my post was trying to say SC2 is better and you should forget BW, i was more getting to the point of people crying that BW is declining and that its natural, esp with its runtime. My arguments are not random, irrelevant nitpick, thats a silly thing to say. OFC its be a result of years of hype, and no shit SC2 has followed the success of BW. Yeah the first couple months are the baby stages, but thats the thing, dont judge it completely from the small amount of time its been out.

The WoW analogy works the same way with your argument, you say sc2 doesnt have the spark BW had and wont last, next thing you know 15 million+ people are subscribed to WoW. Give SC2 time. Your saying it won't last out of your ass. Im not saying SC2 is better and that newer is always better, im saying that based on the community and all the feedback(not to mention the millions in sales in the first month), this is just another case of it. Your posts are more on opinion, while mine is also opinions but i have facts to support it..

"lol" = wait some time, sc2 will evolve.

On September 29 2010 16:00 Slago wrote:
I loved BW, i mean who wouldn't, great great great memories of 10 years (for me personally), it was awesome and great, and I do still play BW, but I really want SC2 to succeed, to thrive, and to be better than BW, why anyone wouldnt want this is strange to me, not really what the thread is about, but if SC2 can be more entertaining with better players, better casting, why not support it, this isn't SC2 vs Bw and it should never be, thinking back to my and my brother satying up till 5 AM on school nights to play Customs was some of the best times i had, but I moved on, and if I can get that again with SC2, that same feeling, Why not?

On September 29 2010 11:47 Ajnin wrote:
its been 12, TWELVE YEARS, god give it a break. SC1 had its fame for as long as a game needs, and a sequel is exactly what it needed. OFC people will still play BW, but it will decline.

Compare these pointless arguments to anything in the world of secondary products. If you have a 2003 ipod, sure it plays the music and people still have it, but when a 2010 ipod comes out its not like the new/casual/long time listeners want an old product. This can be compared to so many things it would be impossible to list them out.

Koreans/TL/ICCUP is holding up BW, and the community of BW is a fraction of SC2. Sponsors will go to SC2, more tourys for SC2, more people for SC2. Korea will be the only place with maybe a .5% of americans playing in years time, and even then more and more koreans are moving on to SC2.

Its not bad if SC dies, its been running for so long that people crying about it now is just ridiculous and is over exaggerating the loss. Some people still have 2003 ipods, dont they? Some people still play BW dont they? TL can complain all they want on BW, it wont change how people are moving to SC2 and how it has such a bigger impact on the casual and hardcore scene (in terms of how long its been out) of america/europe/etc.

BW is just not the place for a casual player. D/D- can alone be ridiculous.

To all these people that are saying SC2 wont be as good, wont live up to the hype, and cant compare, are obviously retarded. Its been like 3 months, its a fucking baby. It needs to be updated and all these builds/discussions/strats need time. Your obviously an idiot if you ALREADY think SC2 sucks. BW had its time, more then enough time for any game, and evolution takes its correct place. Support the growing SC2 community! It has millions of users! It has already helped Esports a ton.

(note:IMHO. not to offend anyone.)


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