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On March 11 2010 04:16 Versatile wrote: yes, the DT who we can't confirm should step up and claim it so we can elect him mayor. and ace is not playing. i can never decide if players who play this stupid are just that stupid or mafia who are just that bad. if there are 2dts somehow, you can confirm the person claiming dt if he is elected. Second dt checks first 1, sees dt, and voila. If someone speaks up and says they aren't a dt, you lynch either one of them, and your answer to that question is solved pretty fast. Getting the dt lynched once elected prompts the mafia to basically suicide one member to off the dt, not a terrible trade off. | ||
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I do agree rcing can be risky, but its not the worst idea we could be using. | ||
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I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow. Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them. Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything. Conclusion: This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG. | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:57 Fulgrim wrote: If no greens ran for office though, you would just be handing the mafia a hitlist of the candidates that were running. You'd prob give them 1-2 confirmed blues, one of which would most likely get office if not both. Anyone who has seen a game where a dt made it into office knows how abusive it can get. I do agree however, that greens should run. In a game like this, if a dt checks a green office holder, they can just use that person as a mouth all game. Yes there is a slight chance that person could be the gf, but thats a 1 in 24 chance. I would like to hear the input of some of our "inactive" posters at the moment. The game has not been up that long, but with mayoral voting starting, It's always nice to see everyone at least semi active. | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:17 CynanMachae wrote: Nah, it's not 1 in 24, since if any mafia make it it will be the GF. And yea, I also think not only blues should rnun, for those reasons but also as someone mentioned out earlier it's can be better in a lot of situations to have a pro-town verteran that is green than a blue that isn't really as experienced. the math was in reference to being GF, if they flip red you kill them, if they flip green its almost certain they are green. | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:40 Zona wrote: Considering his sentence includes "the other DT"...it seems like he's claiming DT. The thing is - we probably only have one DT. It's pretty clear that hes outlining a scenario with two dt's not RCing. L will run for office in any game, and specifically said he had a fun role, that would more imply he got a KP role, or bus driver. The example of the "other dt" or "second dt" has already been used by multiple people thus far. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:25 JeeJee wrote: so L, you're not an idiot, what do you think implying "hey I'm not green" is going to accomplish, pre-election? It appears that he is hoping to get into office based on "hey im not green" | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:42 JeeJee wrote: yeah but nobody's dumb enough to put any weight on that claim, so i'm just wondering what his real reason was for mentioning it. mindgamez'ing the mafia? Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. On March 11 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote: Might as well roleclaim at this point so we can confirm you one way or another. Or not. You've said too much already and are a mafia target anyway. If you are DT I do not want you dead. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. | ||
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On March 12 2010 02:49 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm still wondering how the name of "bus driver" came into this game, though it makes for epic lulz. It stemmed actually from an idea of DrH I believe, as the role was discussed when he wanted to host his own game. As to all the roleclaim business. Yes, I did claim to vivi, as well as two others. Now I will outline why. The importance of the DT this game seems to be alot more powerful than most games provided you can get into office. This, as it has been said before, stems from the ability to be role checked yourself (if anyone else is dt). Also, since the bodyguards are publically known, the town can medic wagon them, and slow down the mafia hit wagon. The longer I stay alive in office (if i get it) the more people that end up being checked. Everyone has to remember, that although the bus driver could be mafia aligned, he doesn't know who the mafia is. His ability is much harder to screw people around with than people believe. Remember, if the bus driver says "change player A and B" where in this case player A is the BG we are protecting. The mafia gets butt fucked as well. They target their hit to player A and it hits B as well. The only way around it is to first find the Bus driver (this could take awhile if hes mafia aligned, he could also end up being on towns side, or maybe the role isnt in the game), and then try to plan it out. Vivi claiming for me, although annoying, is slightly needed at this point though. As L has implied he was a DT, and when the chances of two in the game are low, it actually had me to the point I would of had to claim publically to begin with. If we both somehow are DT, it would be easy pretty quickly to determine, but wastes alot of time. (easiest way would be luck checking a miller). It really seems unlikely that there are two of us with the same role, and on the off chance there are, the chances of either of us living without an electoral position now are pretty well fucked. Although it kills the need of a mouth now. The original reason for me claiming to three people was to garner votes for my campaign. Basically after elections if I didn't get in, and say 1 of those three refused to vote for me, chances are I would find a tell in their posts leading to one dead mafia anyway. | ||
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On March 11 2010 22:31 citi.zen wrote: So BC has not denied his roleclaim. The question is: why choose this weird way to come out? Seems it was a slip-up from vivi? But then why would BC trust vivi without a rolecheeck??? BC is a smart player who knows the importance of dts in this game. Why risk it all for one vote??? It makes no sense if BC really is dt to take that risk in a pm. Any comments BC?? As i said in my super large post i just made. I am a player who without constant protection will typically get offed earlier rather than later. Especially in a game where as incog stated earlier (believe it was him) that the big names this game are me, L, incog himself, malongo, foolishness. With a few more recognizable names, we have slightly more sway at least at first. So those of us without protection typically die faster, be it by mafia hitting us at night, or town lynching. As for trusting vivi with it, it was a simple choice. Choose 3 people, claim, see reactions. When your not planning on living long unless you get bg protection, and even then, I would have claimed instantly if i got into office, the end result is the same, my role is still known. At least in PM's (although in this case IM's) I would get reactions to give some form of information to the town with. I'm pretty well just doing an all in move that gets me a bit more protection, or dead instantly. | ||
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On March 12 2010 03:59 Zona wrote: I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. No, but it gives alot of information for me to garner from them based off it. For instance, i can instantly out those two as fishy. Anyone can re examine their posts for tells, and voila information. Its not a fool proof test, but it gets something over nothing. | ||
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On March 12 2010 04:28 citi.zen wrote: Just to close this discussion: are you saying you were planning to claim publicly anyway, after you gathered some PM intel, and vivi just happened to spill the beans? Yes | ||
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On March 12 2010 08:04 XeliN wrote: Incog when the players are being assigned roles are they given with that in mind, i.e. making sure both town and mafia have veteran players or is it simply random? Depends on the host | ||
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On March 12 2010 08:14 Zona wrote: oops...and I can't edit to remove that and remove my "shame". Well to make this post useful: Since there's only 3 people running serious campaigns, and the mafia is likely to have organized a campaign for one of their own - which one (or more) of the current candidates does everyone think is a bit fishy? Also keep in mind that all three of us ran semi quickly. Mafia will usually wait to field someone unless the person running is someone who always runs for office. That still keeps the suspicion on me and L as we typically always run, but mafia don't always run people for office. | ||
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On March 12 2010 08:11 flamewheel91 wrote: Completely randomized through a number generator. We know from the mod himself, that he didn't balance teams in a sense (or at least is saying he didnt). Having a mafia in office this game only fucks us if hes mayor. And even then a dt role checks him and outs him. It's alot riskier this game for them to be in office if they can get outed instantly. Yes this means the GF could run, but depending on the role he takes on, or based on posting behaviour, this still screws the mafia. Putting the GF out in the limelight is seriously rough. As for your activity point. I think that its hard to judge at the moment. Based on posting, I know im town, and have roleclaimed (even if earlier than I intended), meanwhile, both Incog and L seem to be town as well. This game seems to be slower as it appears as if the mafia has no idea how to discredit us. I think that should be obvious. Yes I'm a nonvoter, I am still deciding on who is best to vote for, I am leaning towards L at the moment though. Now as a question I have for you. Your a veteran player yourself, just as capable of being red for the same reason you outlined of us in your post above. What makes you a better candidate when you have offered no plan on how to even proceed. | ||
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He could appear to be playing like chez! | ||
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Jeejee is being lynched day 1 unless incog pardons. I was originally going to off a coin flip of malongo/versatile, but since Jeejee was pming me (and i am assuming others) to do a vote swing last minute against L. I have decided to kill him for it. Green or not, it seems like a very desperate move from a) a mafia or b) a really terrible player. | ||
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