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Bluffing a win with hallucinated troops

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LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
September 11 2009 23:16 GMT
#1
I was wondering if anyone has seen a pro game or a recognizable game in which a player forfeits to a toss because he assumes a mass of troops, many of which being hallucinations, is too overwhelming to defeat.

I'm not talking about casting hallucination on arbs, but on regular troops like dragoons and zealots.

For example: P attacks T's expansion with a sizable, real force and drops 10 hallucinated
zealots (and a couple real ones) in the main while T's attention is distracted momentarily. T assums he cannot recover and quickly types the GG.

Has anyone won like this before?
since 98'
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
September 11 2009 23:19 GMT
#2
i've done it in casual games with carriers lol. my fleet of 5 becomes 24

but they don't send out interceptors which ruins the fun
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 11 2009 23:19 GMT
#3
Pros have enough game sense that they would know when they suddenly see like 12 carriers (thats the only unit that could ever force a sudden gg) that they would know instantly that it's impossible.

I'm sure it has happened millions of times on b.net / iccup tho ^^
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Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-11 23:22:57
September 11 2009 23:22 GMT
#4
I think progamers would notice/stay in until the end ;p but 30 fake archons pvz is alot of fun ^^
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
September 11 2009 23:31 GMT
#5
Yeah but say pvt, just done with a large battle with sizable loss of troops on both sides. P hallucinates a 10-20 additional troops and attacks his enemy before his troops have been trained. I could see the terran saying GG before he even finds out the troops are hallucinations.

If anyone can find a VOD of such a game please post it.
since 98'
Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
September 11 2009 23:31 GMT
#6
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2749 Posts
September 11 2009 23:36 GMT
#7
pro gamers know how much units his enemy should have -- so they know its fake when its too much
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 11 2009 23:36 GMT
#8
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
September 11 2009 23:40 GMT
#9
I can just imagine the commentators' reaction to this.
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ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
September 11 2009 23:45 GMT
#10
I don't think it's useful because you don't usually gg out unless your army just got wiped out and THEN you see a bunch of units. And usually, as Terran, losing your whole army is GG anyways. The best thing I think would be to use it to force tech switches.
xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
September 11 2009 23:46 GMT
#11
I don't know of any games where hallucination was used for a deceptive purpose. But having a couple thousand HP worth of tanking units is pretty useful in PvT. Question is whether storm would be better suited. I imagine there exist timing windows where a mass hallucination zeal goon break against a terran would work.
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
September 12 2009 00:00 GMT
#12
Yeah, most players will fight the mass of units and then give up.
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LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
September 12 2009 00:10 GMT
#13
The scenario I suggested is when a Protoss' opponent has lost lost or most of his troops. Mid game, even a progamer cannot determine that a group of units is hallucinated (unless its like a bunch of carriers or a bunch or arbs or archons, or unless one of the hallucinated units vaporizes or is killed on screen).

Say a Terran's natural is being attacked with goons and zeals, and with his latest cycle of units, attempts to defend the natural. Out of nowhere 12 zealots are dropped in the main (It would be better if at least 4 were real to show they can kill SCVs).

I'm pretty sure the opponent would throw down the GG before he had the chance to find out the scheme.
since 98'
Crisis_
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States165 Posts
September 12 2009 00:15 GMT
#14
On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^


Wow, that IS pretty sexy. never thought about that
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1253 Posts
September 12 2009 00:16 GMT
#15
(P)Bisu versus... someone in msl or osl, he used hallucinate on zealots I believe and cleared mines before his proper force went in. I'll try and find the vid. At least I think it was Bisu :S

The only other time you can use hallucinate is with arbiters to give them cover while running through a turret line, that can be seen in all sorts of pvt late game matches.

Me personally, I only ever use it on zealots as a decoy, or sometimes on dark archons.
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Bebop Berserker
Profile Joined April 2009
United States246 Posts
September 12 2009 00:17 GMT
#16
It may have been on pimpest plays. you should check it out. still not as good as the time vs july that casey faked his expo by allowing his workers to mine from the crystal at his expansion for 1 round. Epic.
Whatever happens, happens.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 12 2009 00:18 GMT
#17
Id cry if i found out i lost to hallus
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
guMmiwormz
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States312 Posts
September 12 2009 00:20 GMT
#18
On September 12 2009 09:16 Duckvillelol wrote:
(P)Bisu versus... someone in msl or osl, he used hallucinate on zealots I believe and cleared mines before his proper force went in. I'll try and find the vid. At least I think it was Bisu :S

The only other time you can use hallucinate is with arbiters to give them cover while running through a turret line, that can be seen in all sorts of pvt late game matches.

Me personally, I only ever use it on zealots as a decoy, or sometimes on dark archons.


yes it was vs iris in game 5.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 12 2009 00:20 GMT
#19
On September 12 2009 09:17 Bebop Berserker wrote:
It may have been on pimpest plays. you should check it out. still not as good as the time vs july that casey faked his expo by allowing his workers to mine from the crystal at his expansion for 1 round. Epic.


Yeah, it's in some PP, don't remember which tho. It's toss attacking terran with like a group of hallucinated zealots at lost temple. From like year 2002 i think maybe even before that
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Polyphasic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States841 Posts
September 12 2009 00:22 GMT
#20
On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^


ya, that's pretty sexy.
can't making a relationship last longer than 2 weeks, since 1984 :thumbs:
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