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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 06:02:13
November 02 2010 08:11 GMT
#1
I haven't seen an official thread for this game, so I thought I'd make one. The OP will be directed towards the PC version, but by all means feel free to discuss console versions as well.

I'll start off by posting a video that contains no less than an hour of footage from CoD:BO. I suggest you at least skim through it, but I'll post some facts from it as well as my reaction and thoughts after



Some known features:
-Dedicated Servers (provided exclusively from gameservers.com at $0.99/slot
-"Barebone" mode: The ability to allow or disallow perks and weapons - What the game needs to have a decent competitive scene
-Unlock progression is based on earning credits in-game rather than straight up earning points like in previous CoD titles
-Summon dogs is an 11-kill killstreak (from CoD:WAW) - Best killstreak ever.
-Zombie mode will have players play as John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Fidel Castro and Robert McNamara @ the pentagon
-Germany will not be able to purchase the console version (Source)

Weapons and perks:
+ Show Spoiler +

Guns(Primary)
*SMG:
MP5K
skorpion
MAC11
AK74u
Uzi
PM63
MPL
Spectre
Kiparis
**SMG Addon
Extra Mags
Dual Mags(Faster reload)
ACOG Sight
Red Dot
Reflex
Grip
Sliencer
Grenade Launcher
Rapid Fire

*AR:
M16(3 round burst)
Enfield
M14(Semi-Auto)
Famas
Galil
AUG
FN FAL(Semi-Auto)
AK47
Commando
G11
**AR Addon:
Extra Mags
Dual Mags(Faster reload)
ACOG Sight
Red Dot
Reflex
Masterkey(Mount on a AR)
Flamethrower
Infrared Scope
Silencer
Grenade Launcher

*Shotguns:
Olympia(Double Barrel)
Stakeout(Pump Action)
SPAS-12(Semi-Auto)
HS10(Semi-Auto)
**Shotguns Addon
Olympia(None)
Stakeout(Grip)
Spas-12(Silencer)
HS10(Akimbo)

*LMG:
HK21
RPK
M60
Stoner63
**LMG Addon
Extra Mags
ACOG Sight
Red Dot
Reflex
Infrared Scope

*Sinper:
Dragunov
WA2000
L96A1
PSG1
**Sinper Addon
Extra Mags
ACOG Sight
Inrared Scope
Silencer
Variable Zoom(Adds more Range on Sinper Rifle)


Perks 1:
Lightweight Pro(Take no fall damage)
Scavenger Pro
Ghost Pro(Cold Blooded from MW2)
Flak Jacket(blast shield)
HardLine Pro

Perks 2:
Hardened Pro(Stopping power)
Scout Pro(Hold Breath Longer, Switch weapon faster)
Steady Aim Pro(Aim faster after sprinting)
Sleight of Hand Pro(Reload fast, Aim down sights fater with weapons(expcept Sinper Rifles))
Warlord Pro(Bling Pro, Start with one extra lethal and tactial grenade(except Willy Pete))

Perks 3:
Tactical Mask Pro(Protect from nova gas. Reduce effects of flash and stuns and revel position of a flashed or stunned enemy
Marathon Pro
Ninja Pro
Secord Chance Pro(Survive Longer and revived by your teammates
Hacker Pro(Sitrep from MW2. booby trap stolen crates, remain invs to Motion sensors)

Maps:
Array(LG) Snow Covered landscape
Cracked(LG) Streets of Vietnam
Crisis(MD) Hiddle missile facility in Cuba
Firing Range(SM) Military practice facility
Grid(MD) Soviet intelligence station
Hanoi(MD) Fight in the infamous prison camp
Havana(MD) Cuban City
Jungle(LG) Great vertical gameplay along a river valley in Vietnam
Launch(MD) Battle at the launch pad of this cosmodrome.
Nuketown(SM) Nuclear testing ground
Radiation(MD) Uranium processing plant.
Summit(MD) Research facility on a snow mountain
Villa(MD) Cuban Estate
WMD(LG) Abandoned Soviet Base

Kill Streaks:
3Spy plane(UAV)
3RC-XD(Remote Control RC with exlosives)
4Counter Spy plane(C-UAV)
4Sam turret(Airdrop and destroys aircraft(Kill streaks))
5Care Package(Airdrop)
5Napalm Strike(Airstrike)
6Sentry Gun(Airdrop)
6Mortar Team(Target 3 location to bombard with mortar Strikes
7Attack Helicopter
7Valkyrie Rocket(Remote controlled rockets)
8BlackBird(Shows both enemy position and direction on the mini-map Cannot be shut down)
8Rolling Thunder(Carpet Bomb)
9Chopper Gunner
11Attack Dogs
11Gunship(Pilot an attack helicopter)

<Under Construction



My thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +

Coming from a very very big background in CoD4 (ran a sponsored team, won some tourneys, etc) my first impression of this game was reasonably poor due to the decline that I've seen the CoD series take with MW2. I felt like the game would be simply about a bunch of people running around abusing boring gimmicky stuff like ballistic knives, but after seeing the video above I'm significantly less disappointed. The barebone mode gives me the opportunity to ban all of the stupid imba garbage and keep the gameplay pure if I see fit. Because of this, leagues will form and I believe the game will have a decent competitive following, however it is far far far too early to say whether it has even the slightest chance at succeeding as an ESPORT. From a more casual point of view, I'm looking forward to getting five of my high-skilled friends together and smashing pubs while all of us run around with nothing but crossbows and tomahawks. The game seems like a significant step up from the unbelievably broken Modern Warfare 2 (seriously IW, what the fuck were you thinking? No dedicated servers = fml) so I will definitely be buying this game on day one and giving it a chance. As broken as MW2 was, I still put over 250 hours into that game so I'd be lying if I said I didn't get my money's worth, even if I hate the hell out of it now I hope that this game will be the case as well

I have some faith in Treyarch and I hope they can deliver. I never really understood the hatred for CoD:WAW as most of it stemmed from people who wanted to bolt all day and couldn't deal with the fact that you had to hit the torso or the head to 1hit. As far as I'm concerned it was a good thing, it made it so any random nub couldn't pick up a kar98k and sit in a corner while getting a billion frags. Some of the maps in WAW left something to be desired, so I really hope they nail it in Black Ops


Some of the things I'm hoping for:
+ Show Spoiler [Please?] +

-Console access. For fucks sake it's the most goddamn useful thing in the history of everything forever. I don't want to have to adjust a bar to change my sensitivity on the fly, or have to edit config.cfg whenever I need to make a tiny tweak. I understand this is probably a longshot, but I really think they'd be making more people happy than they'd piss off.
-The ability to have more than 65 FOV. My god, after playing CoD4 and BC2 for so long trying to play any fps with a tiny field of view like that puts me into a tunnel-vision induced vomit rage
-Good maps. If the maps suck ass, so will the game. This should pretty much go without saying.
-Not-super-gimmicky tier one weapons. I don't want the game to devolve into Akimbo Model 1887 / care package knife / noobs spraying akimbo glock18
-Matchmaking that uses dedicated servers. I love the way matchmaking works. You grab a group of friends and you get matched up against opponents and have some fun. The problem with this is traditionally someone in the lobby is given host and all the players network from that one guy. That one guy is in mexico and decides to start downloading the latest Justin Bieber album while everyone in the game but him runs around with 200 ping having a pretty shitty time. One of my favorite things about this is the postgame lobby trashtalk - having a bunch of enraged rednecks who just lost 27-0 in CTF call you and your team a bunch of hackers simply just does not get old. With traditional dedicated servers you don't really get this as much and finding a server where me and five of my friends can connect and all play on the same team can become quite tedious.


In a nutshell, I'm pretty excited for this game after seeing the video. Treyarch seems to have shown they are competent enough to step up to the plate to do right where MW2 went wrong, but time will tell.


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Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
November 02 2010 08:20 GMT
#2
Dedicated Servers? Wow +1 for this game! I was going to get it for both xbox and ps3 but now I'm thinking of purchasing it for PC.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
November 02 2010 08:22 GMT
#3
I was able to play against my friend on console. I gonna say the commando rifle is gonna be the next ACR from MW2 its so OP.
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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
November 02 2010 08:25 GMT
#4
On November 02 2010 17:22 Tekin wrote:
I was able to play against my friend on console. I gonna say the commando rifle is gonna be the next ACR from MW2 its so OP.

If you find a video on youtube of this gun, can you link it here? I can't find anything and I'm definitely curious~
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dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
November 02 2010 08:36 GMT
#5
Dedicated Servers (provided exclusively from gameservers.com at $0.99/slot

So basically you're fucked if you don't have a gameservers facility near your location if I understood that correctly. The nearest gameservers branch is like Australia and thats like 120 ping away from me. Oh well, I guess Activision doesn't care about the Asian market.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 02 2010 08:51 GMT
#6
I just want a story that doesn't make me cringe.
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Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
November 02 2010 08:58 GMT
#7
--- Nuked ---
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
November 02 2010 09:03 GMT
#8
On November 02 2010 17:51 Jibba wrote:
I just want a story that doesn't make me cringe.


You mean a specific COD?
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
November 02 2010 09:14 GMT
#9
I'll probably pick this up for the 360 for my birthday, as most of my friends will have it... will I play it much.. idk, I've been almost exclusively SC2 lately as far as gaming.. and not much of that either =/
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
November 02 2010 09:27 GMT
#10
What will be the max players?
Rashta
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia46 Posts
November 02 2010 09:35 GMT
#11
On November 02 2010 18:27 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
What will be the max players?
I think its 18, but im not 100% sure.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
November 02 2010 09:36 GMT
#12
On November 02 2010 18:35 Rashta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 18:27 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
What will be the max players?
I think its 18, but im not 100% sure.

I think I read somewhere that it's 24. I hope to never, ever run into a game with more than 12 however 8)
ESV Mapmaking Team || http://twitter.com/prodiGsc || Real talk, I don't have time to sugar-coat it for you sir
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 02 2010 09:48 GMT
#13
On November 02 2010 17:51 Jibba wrote:
I just want a story that doesn't make me cringe.


Have to agree with this. MW2 just made me want to smush my own head in with a hammer after playing through. I pray to god (if he hasn't taken the hammer up himself) this provides a better plot.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Dreamscythe
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland273 Posts
November 02 2010 10:13 GMT
#14
Treyarch is marketing this game as "game of the year 2010" but i am kinda disappointed that they havent released more game footage. i mean like multiplayer maps etc
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Oscar Wilde
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
November 02 2010 10:43 GMT
#15
I preordered it. I mostly liked the MP of MW2, and it seems like all the stuff that made me rage is gone, so...^^
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Vortok
Profile Joined December 2009
United States830 Posts
November 02 2010 10:58 GMT
#16
I'll have to watch that video after I'm done watching the BW stream and then Boxer vs. Nada.

My baseline stance is this - even if they don't fix some of the broken stuff in MW2, Black Ops will still be a better game than MW2 so I'm gonna pick it up. My internet connection is ass so I only get 2 bars in COD4 on PS3 so it's kinda unplayable (which happened right when MW2 came out, used to get 3 reliably). Played MW2 due to friends. Got to Prestige 9, level 70 due to excess free time and don't have a high opinion of the game. Change will be nice. At least this time I know to go straight to SnD once I get the hang of the maps.

So far it seems like I'll be running Ghost/Sleight of Hand/Ninja on almost every fucking class. Scavenger is about the only possible replacement. Maybe marathon on a rushing class but yeah. Even without faster ads on snipers the reload speed + usefulness of SoH on a secondary/any gun you pick up it still pretty solid.... especially if there are bolt action snipers that you reload a bullet at a time.

I haven't seen mention of Ghost working to hide you from killstreaks/thermal this time, just UAV/Blackbirds. There should be far less shit flying around in the sky, though, so it may not be a huge issue.

In the end, it will depend on the gun balance and maps, just like it does for pretty much any fps. Hopefully they tried to emulate MW1 more than MW2. The reason I bought MW1 was I watched some youtube videos of some games and the maps looked really interesting. Lots of little nooks and crannies as opposed to wide open space + bland hallways. The MW1 maps generally had a way out/way to flank if the other team had you pinned as opposed to MW2's 'walk through chokepoint A or chokepoint B' method. They also had some well placed buildings/trees/etc. that prevented being able to see most of the map, even on overgrown which is so known for sniper play.
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 11:47:10
November 02 2010 11:43 GMT
#17
Please tell me you guys have seen this, it turned from a 'I'm suspicious to an instant buy'. This is most definetly not being made by the MW fags, they have a sense of humour ! Definitely a treyarch production.

Zombie background story/setting (not a single player spolier)
Kotaku "You Won't Believe Who Is Killing Zombies in Call of Duty: Black Ops"
More, at rock paper shutgun, just scroll down ( more shotgun coverage, but the vid got removed )

+ Show Spoiler +
instead of fighting off Nazi zombies as some nameless soldiers, you can take on the roles of John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Robert McNamara or Fidel Castro as they fight to hold off the hordes in the Pentagon.
[image loading]



btw zombies are included as normal on the PC, the whole 'prestige/hardened' thing is console only.
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
November 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#18
competitive COD scene in EU aren't moving from standard cod4 unless raf or someone makes a promod and the maps are competitively viable unlike waw/mw2 ^_^
Game007
Profile Joined September 2010
United States7 Posts
November 02 2010 12:45 GMT
#19
double rainbow <3
Vortok
Profile Joined December 2009
United States830 Posts
November 02 2010 14:24 GMT
#20
roooofl at the nazi zombie characters. Makes me instantly interested in checking the mode out. Currently if I want to shoot zombies I can play Left 4 Dead 2 or fall back on the Borderlands' Zombie Island DLC. The lulz value of having those characters, though... too good.

After watching the video I feel pretty good about the game. Knifing still looks a bit generous and some of the guns (coughfamascough) seem to still have too much 'laser accurate, zero recoil' mechanics while firing. Most of the guns seemed fairly good on the recoil front. MP5K at the beginning made me think more of COD4's MP5 than I did MW2's MP5K. Only thought of the latter during the reload animation when you see the side of the gun. For the most part the game looks good. A large step up from MW2 pretty much any way you slice it.

Noticed that he mentioned you get access to all the perks by level 5 (though you have to buy them) so should be less climbing 20-30 levels before getting certain perks like Coldblooded/Ninja again. Demolition also seems as retarded as ever as the bomb site placements were kinda fail (bomb site practically inside defender spawn). Though to be fair, it was on the smallest map in the game so perhaps not the best match to judge it by. Nuketown is a pretty amusing map, concept-wise.

One in the Chamber doesn't interest me on the Wager match side. Sticks and Stones is mostly for screwing around with the game's underpowered(ish) weapons - so for lulz. The other two sound fun to play, though.

Glanced at the calendar and realized that the release is in one week. Been so busy watching for the Borderlands patch and playing a couple games to tie me over that I didn't even see the date creeping up on me. One week until I can finally put MW2 in the pile of 'PS3 games I own but am probably not going to play for a long time, if ever again.' Huzzah!
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