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On September 17 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote:
Gollum was clearly evil and the Ents were clearly good, although they were pretty lazy. Ask yourself, would an omnipotent Gollum have sided with Gandalf? Would an omnipotent Treebeard have sided with Sauron?
Also, why are we talking about neutral factions when we should clearly be talking about Voldemort and the Ring Wraiths?
Gollum wasn't evil. He didn't want to take over Middle Earth or join Sauron or anything he just wanted the ring for himself.
It's something to talk about. There's no election so we either have to find something else to talk about or all pile votes onto a random player and see how they respond and what to do about it. How do you suggest we get the Day 1 ball rolling then?
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 17 2011 08:41 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game?
I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever The only neutral figures I can think of (I havnt watched/read LoTR in a long time) are possibly Golom/Smeagal or the Ents. I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it.
No one should just get given the ring especially this early in the game. We should use it in the same fashion that the hallows was used in PTP2.
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Let's get this game started!
As always, some general advice:
1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good.
Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time.
Also, ##vote: Greymist
asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.
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Gollum was evil 'cause he'd happily kill everybody in Middle Earth just to get the object of his desire, Deagol, Frodo, and Samwyse all got a taste of that. I suggest we try to be reasonably active and hope someone slips up, talking about Tom Bombadil being an SK isn't gonna help anybody and it's just mindless speculation.
I don't have any concrete suggestions on how to get the ball rolling, it just kinda builds up during most games I suppose and then suddenly we have something. Keep your eyes open and be active, even though that's pretty generic 
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Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him.
##Vote Greymist
I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason.
And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Show nested quote +1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.
I agree with this.
##Vote: Greymist
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i completely disagree with this, since his ringquestion onviously was a joke, and i am not sure if your vote on him is a joke, too.
Tom Bombadil is a friend of Gandalf, so obviously not evil and rather town than neutral. Neutral would be Gollum I guess, because he just wants the ring for himself and doesnt really help anyone.
Why do we talk especially about tom bombadil?
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To be honest, any talk of neutral factions is kind of pointless at this point. We have no idea what they are capable of even if they exist, and quite frankly even if there are 3rd parties, we should be focusing on scum, and scum only, right now. So please no more talk about which LOTR might be neutral aligned.
But while I'm on the topic of pure speculation, I believe the ring belongs to someone in the town or a neutral faction. It seems to make sense balance-wise and lore-wise. It starts off with the hobbits, a good faction. Sadly any game with items seems to get sidetracked into pointless discussion. For now, if you have the ring, congrats. Don't give it up and don't reveal yourself.
Nice bandwagon you got started there chaoser. I don't agree with it but hey, pressure is pressure.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
Finally:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
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On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist
Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going.
Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?
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I apologize for the formatting of that post, I am on my phone with little/no signal. I may or might not be able to respond to your posts for ~2 hours.
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On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?
what? they gave "good reasons"?
So you agree with them, that your question about the ring is scummy, although it was only a joke.
You dont need to be nice to people if they vote you for no reason just because they are vets here.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?
I actually had stated my reasons regarding the ring earlier I just didn't vote for you then.
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On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote:
The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
Finally:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
No. No. Do not claim if you have the ring unless you want to die.
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On September 17 2011 09:26 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? what? they gave "good reasons"? So you agree with them, that your question about the ring is scummy, although it was only a joke. You dont need to be nice to people if they vote you for no reason just because they are vets here.
There is no good reason this early. The real reason is to start discussions. Kitaman just voted for somebody without saying anything at all, at least we're discussing something now. If bandwagons exist, mafia are drawn to them and the more we talk and the more people vote, the easier it is to catch them.
If you're expecting a well thought out scumhunt 10 posts after the day then you should stop because that doesn't ever happen
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
HOW TO AVOID A DAY 1 SHITSTORM
by Radfield Raddisson
The key to avoiding a crappy Day 1 culminating in a no-evidence townie lynch is to figure out our priorities. What do we actually want on Day 1?
First, we want to get everyone down on paper. Thoughts, feelings, vibes, etc. I really don't care what you're saying right now, I just want you to say it.
Second, establish a baseline of activity. PlayerA makes 20 posts Day 1 and 5 Day 2, that's a problem since there is very little to talk about on Day 1 and a whole lot more on Day 2.
Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:
Step 4. Hold your votes. Slamming votes around 6-12 hours into the game is not productive. Take off your scum-goggles and allow people to post. Have a suspicious person in mind? Great, sit on it and let them keep posting. See if they keep posting scummy stuff.... THEN attack them.
All players should be keeping a spreadsheet with notes/roles/activity levels/ etc. Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. Are there helpful tips in my post? Absolutely. Have I said anything remotely game related? Absolutely not. Anyone can talk in generalities. Anyone can offer advice.
Honestly, I cannot stress how important it is to keep a spreadsheet. If you don't know who's still alive in the game, or who claimed what, or which players voted for whom, then how can you make informed decisions?
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Activity:
You must post in this thread five times per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
I like this. Lurkers have always been my least favorite thing about playing forum mafia.
On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?
Yes, you got discussion going, but at what end? Either your scum, and if we gave it to you, we'd be fucked Day 1. Or you're town, and if we gave it to you, you'd be killed tonight, and we'd be fucked Night 1. Either way, pretty pointless. Although I assume the one with the Ring wouldn't be dumb enough to give it away so early anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and assume it was indeed just to "get the discussion going".
It's been a while since I've read the Hobbit, but Bilbo gets the Ring from Gollum right? I'm pretty sure it was through some riddle. I think it's safe to speculate that Gollum starts with the Ring, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was third party.
On September 17 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote:
Gollum was clearly evil and the Ents were clearly good, although they were pretty lazy. Ask yourself, would an omnipotent Gollum have sided with Gandalf? Would an omnipotent Treebeard have sided with Sauron?
Also, why are we talking about neutral factions when we should clearly be talking about Voldemort and the Ring Wraiths?
Oh you.
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On September 17 2011 09:26 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? I actually had stated my reasons regarding the ring earlier I just didn't vote for you then.
On September 17 2011 08:53 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 08:41 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game?
I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever The only neutral figures I can think of (I havnt watched/read LoTR in a long time) are possibly Golom/Smeagal or the Ents. I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it. No one should just get given the ring especially this early in the game. We should use it in the same fashion that the hallows was used in PTP2.
How the fuck is that a reason?
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On September 17 2011 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:26 supersoft wrote:On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistthat's correct and i am not against "random"-votes to get the game going. But I am suspicious of people who say that a vote on themselves is well reasoned. asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? what? they gave "good reasons"? So you agree with them, that your question about the ring is scummy, although it was only a joke. You dont need to be nice to people if they vote you for no reason just because they are vets here. There is no good reason this early. The real reason is to start discussions. Kitaman just voted for somebody without saying anything at all, at least we're discussing something now. If bandwagons exist, mafia are drawn to them and the more we talk and the more people vote, the easier it is to catch them. If you're expecting a well thought out scumhunt 10 posts after the day then you should stop because that doesn't ever happen
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oh this is bugged. I wrote something in there -,-
let me try again:
its okay for me if you pressurevote someone. But I am suspicious of people who say that votes on themselves are well reasoned if they aren't.
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