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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 26 2010 21:53 GMT
#14781
eh, they're all sorta out of date already, lol.

I run 1/14/15

1 Improved Smite

3 Armor
3 MRes
3 SoS
2 Defensive Mastery
3 Harden Skin

3 Good Hands
1 Improved Ghost
4 Awareness
2 Utility Mastery
2 Meditation
3 Quickness

Armor Pen Marks
Armor Seals
Mp5pL Glyphs
Armor Pen Quints

Ghost/Smite

Cloth + 5 hp pots Opening.

Skill ordering goes QE(Q/W)(W/Q)QR -> Q > R > W > E

the nitty gritty on jungling is your standard jungling stuff... focus big guys first (even with your passive it's favorable to off the large creeps first), attack a bunch, spam spear shot on your target. jungling path goes mana golem -> wolves -> a decision:
1) an opponent is pushing a lane (typically a Mord/Heimer/Sivir) you go Lizard and when you level, you grab W and go for the gank. You should be spent on potions at this point, but you should arrive for the gank at relatively high HP because of your chugging. Don't be a cheapskate and try to save a potion and show up for the gank with like 250 HP cause you'll just get killed.
2) all your lanes are pushing or around neutral. Go Wraiths -> Stone Gols, grabbing level 2 Q at level 3. B here and grab another HP pot (you should have 1 left over from this path), a ward, and boots. Kill Lizard if a gank is opening up, otherwise go straight to wolves and do another round of wolves -> wraiths before taking lizard. Ward Dragon whenever you need to start worrying about the opposing jungler doing it.

The idea with the item build is to do something like this:
cloth
boots
wriggle's lantern
brutalizer

from there you deviate depending on the game. If you're dying, you usually have to go mercs -> a tanking item, if you're getting kills and maintaining map control, you usually go for a BF Sword before investing in becoming tankier. At this point it's largely game dependent, but my tanking items of choice are GA, Banshees, Frozen Mallet, and Atma's Impaler. Some games you don't need anything BF related and can just go like... Negatron -> Chain Vest -> Banshee's -> Giant's Belt -> Atma's -> Mallet or some crap like that and you'll be fine. but yea, it's all really game-dependent post bruta.

jungle panth is very largely about ult usage. it's part of the reason lantern is so good on him, because keeping their buffs/dragon warded can lead to some savage ult rapings. The main difficulty with Panth's ult is always predicting where the opponents will be, but junglers just sit there and wail on buff creeps/dragon for 15-20 seconds so you can just R + click on them for really devastating ganks, especially if you coordinate your team on them. You're also always mia, so the opposing team needs to always be on their toes vs. you when you hit 6 and there's no more of that annoying "halp, I need someone to cover top!" when you're bot crap. You can get where you need to at the drop of a hat, which is nice.
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Nailpolish
Profile Joined June 2010
United States56 Posts
August 26 2010 21:55 GMT
#14782
On August 27 2010 06:49 oberon wrote:
Teammate(s) say(s): NOOOO! Don't pick Heimer! They nerfed him so hard! And the other team has trist, and kayle, and anivia who all counter him!

*oberon goes 6/1/6 with Heimer, out-CSing Trist in mid*

Teammate says: dude your lucky they sucked
Teammate says: Heimer would've gotten rolled

Why do people think Heimer is bad all of a sudden? Three turrets in one spot is usually a waste of mana, and getting level 2 turret before level 8 is a waste of skill points. The nerf basically slightly adjusted his mid-late game. Are his turrets such a defining feature people don't notice the 1000 range nuke?



because people are retarded, in the meantime, abuse the hell out of heimer until people start banning him again
calvinL
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada416 Posts
August 26 2010 22:04 GMT
#14783
On August 27 2010 06:35 ghen wrote:
Show nested quote +

How is that poor game design? I actually really like how Shaco is made, such a fun/intresting champion. He's a clown that turns invisible and stabs people in the back, pretty baller.
His ulti is awesome too.


I totally agree! He's ment to be annoying as piss. Arguing against shaco is like arguing against lurkers. I mean wtf?


More like arguing against DT's, which I totally do (lol)

/typical terran rant
Deleted User 50491
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
721 Posts
August 26 2010 22:08 GMT
#14784
Anyone want to play right now? Let me know :D
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 22:21:24
August 26 2010 22:20 GMT
#14785
On August 27 2010 06:10 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 06:02 Shikyo wrote:
Sigh I haven't played LoL at all lately. As much as I like the game the imbalance is just completely retarded and I hate the fact that I need to play some tryhard champions in order to have a chance of winning.

suck it up and get better.

I'm back to playing pantheon so I really don't wanna hear it about how you need to tryhard to win. Yes it makes life easier to play Kayle or some shit, but if playing Veigar really means that much to you, just do it and become the best fucking Veigar out there.

I'm playing Heroes of Newerth, and it seriously is so much better balanced it's insane.

My last LoL game that I played a few games ago we lost solely to a shaco who didn't do anything but backdoored every time we would push
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
August 26 2010 22:35 GMT
#14786
On August 27 2010 07:20 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 06:10 Mogwai wrote:
On August 27 2010 06:02 Shikyo wrote:
Sigh I haven't played LoL at all lately. As much as I like the game the imbalance is just completely retarded and I hate the fact that I need to play some tryhard champions in order to have a chance of winning.

suck it up and get better.

I'm back to playing pantheon so I really don't wanna hear it about how you need to tryhard to win. Yes it makes life easier to play Kayle or some shit, but if playing Veigar really means that much to you, just do it and become the best fucking Veigar out there.

I'm playing Heroes of Newerth, and it seriously is so much better balanced it's insane.

My last LoL game that I played a few games ago we lost solely to a shaco who didn't do anything but backdoored every time we would push


Yes it is, except your back gets broken within a day from carrying pubs, if you try to.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 26 2010 23:02 GMT
#14787
On August 27 2010 06:55 Nailpolish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 06:49 oberon wrote:
Teammate(s) say(s): NOOOO! Don't pick Heimer! They nerfed him so hard! And the other team has trist, and kayle, and anivia who all counter him!

*oberon goes 6/1/6 with Heimer, out-CSing Trist in mid*

Teammate says: dude your lucky they sucked
Teammate says: Heimer would've gotten rolled

Why do people think Heimer is bad all of a sudden? Three turrets in one spot is usually a waste of mana, and getting level 2 turret before level 8 is a waste of skill points. The nerf basically slightly adjusted his mid-late game. Are his turrets such a defining feature people don't notice the 1000 range nuke?



because people are retarded, in the meantime, abuse the hell out of heimer until people start banning him again

i dont know how the hell that heim survive tris harras early on? its true that without turrets, heim still has 2 nuke skill but he is made of TOILET PAPER... not enough HP to lane vs anybody and nerf turrets also means his ulti is almost useless. the guy only has 2 skills left vs some champ such as morg who has all 4 useful skills, which one will you choose?

and really, i dont understand how tris cant kill a heim while that heim is only protected by 1 single turret.... he is just bad zzz
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 26 2010 23:08 GMT
#14788
I just wanted to interject about how comical I thought it was where Smash mentioned him playing Panth as a reference to 'sucking it up' with weaker heroes, and then goes on in the next post in the thread to say he thinks he has the absolute best early game gank in the game, and very strong jungle presence. Meanwhile, Loci and some other people are playing Panth a ton and doing VERY well with him in the role he fills right now, which is kind of akin to int heroes in DotA/HoN: control the game while your carries get in position to end it.

I'm sorry Smash, I love you and I won't argue that Panth is what he used to be, but he is still very much a great champ in the right team comps(read: your team doesn't encourage the other team to stack nothing but armor making you a walking stunbot that can occasionally grab a tower dive kill). Comparing him to some bottom of the barrel champs(we all know that every champ is 'viable' but that doesn't mean if teams both play well they aren't huge liabilities) is silly.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 26 2010 23:08 GMT
#14789
Trist's damage and range are really low early on and basically for her to do any damage she's going to have to land a jump, ignite, explosive shot and auto-attack while hoping to miss a blind/stun and not eat nukes/creep/turret aggro. Then Heimer's passive heals everything.

I think the bigger problem is the middle levels, where Trist outranges and can blow up turrets with auto-attacks.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
August 26 2010 23:13 GMT
#14790
I really wanna play,
but my launcher/patcher is all fucked up.
I can't patch on BOTH the EU and NA version
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
August 26 2010 23:21 GMT
#14791
On August 27 2010 08:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Trist's damage and range are really low early on and basically for her to do any damage she's going to have to land a jump, ignite, explosive shot and auto-attack while hoping to miss a blind/stun and not eat nukes/creep/turret aggro. Then Heimer's passive heals everything.

I think the bigger problem is the middle levels, where Trist outranges and can blow up turrets with auto-attacks.


It's a hard matchup for Heimer. The key is to keep your turrets behind the creeps -- don't try to push. Then if she wants to hit them, she has to eat creep aggro. As soon as there are 2 or fewer creeps in her wave, you get in a rocket shot, then back off to your turrets/creeps.

If she's gets aggressive, you E her, and she eats a lot of turret shots. Doubly true in mid levels, when you can ult and your turrets slow.

This is all based on my early Heimer skill order, which is QWWEWQW. If you just go QEQWQRQ and think you'll be a farm bot, you'll lose the matchup in short order.

Overall, it's a bad matchup, but if you're better at Heimer than your opponent is at Trist (as I was by quite a bit in that game, obviously) you can win it.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 26 2010 23:21 GMT
#14792
On August 27 2010 08:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Trist's damage and range are really low early on and basically for her to do any damage she's going to have to land a jump, ignite, explosive shot and auto-attack while hoping to miss a blind/stun and not eat nukes/creep/turret aggro. Then Heimer's passive heals everything.

I think the bigger problem is the middle levels, where Trist outranges and can blow up turrets with auto-attacks.


Trist hits pretty hard early =/
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 26 2010 23:23 GMT
#14793
On August 27 2010 07:35 Yiruru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 07:20 Shikyo wrote:
On August 27 2010 06:10 Mogwai wrote:
On August 27 2010 06:02 Shikyo wrote:
Sigh I haven't played LoL at all lately. As much as I like the game the imbalance is just completely retarded and I hate the fact that I need to play some tryhard champions in order to have a chance of winning.

suck it up and get better.

I'm back to playing pantheon so I really don't wanna hear it about how you need to tryhard to win. Yes it makes life easier to play Kayle or some shit, but if playing Veigar really means that much to you, just do it and become the best fucking Veigar out there.

I'm playing Heroes of Newerth, and it seriously is so much better balanced it's insane.

My last LoL game that I played a few games ago we lost solely to a shaco who didn't do anything but backdoored every time we would push


Yes it is, except your back gets broken within a day from carrying pubs, if you try to.

Oh I play mostly with my friends, an IRL friend of mine is extremely good at the game so actually he's the one carrying me most of the time <_< http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/player_stats.php?aid=785702

I'm currently kind of waiting for them to get this game balanced out, the current state is just a big mehhh.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
August 26 2010 23:32 GMT
#14794
BTW if you see this OP, add me to player list please.

Brambled

I am still new only like lv13 and would love a partner to smash out these levels with and learn some more.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 27 2010 00:02 GMT
#14795
nothing makes me rage more than being 14-1 then ending the game 5 minutes later 17-3
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 15:27:08
August 27 2010 00:22 GMT
#14796
This is a joke build, and a bad one at that.

CDR Shen

Teleport / Ghost
ArPen red / energy regplvl yellow / mres plvl blue / energy reg quints
0/21/9 <- greed ftw

QWQEQR/ then whatever, but focus on W. You want it max before you finish your CDR items.

Cloth Armor + 5 hpots
HoG
Avarice
Merc Treads
Brutalizer / Warden's Mail / Sheen / situational Negatron*
Randuins / Ghostblade / second Brutalizer**
Triforce

*you want to stay on this item tier as long as possible, so you keep the gold generating items.
**gives 40% cdr, no need for runes or masteries.

The point of the build is to abuse feint's new length (2.5 seconds of cover) with CDR + energy runes (it'll have a CD of 3 seconds with 40%). Proccing Sheen/Triforce becomes stupid easy after this.

Trouble is, even with feint spam, Shen still dies, and even with energy runes, you tap out very quickly. Even with Sheen/Triforce and tons of ArPen, you just don't do that much damage from auto attacks. You may as well just skip the whole CDR gimmick and stack sunfires.
it's my first day
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 27 2010 00:33 GMT
#14797
On August 27 2010 08:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 07:35 Yiruru wrote:
On August 27 2010 07:20 Shikyo wrote:
On August 27 2010 06:10 Mogwai wrote:
On August 27 2010 06:02 Shikyo wrote:
Sigh I haven't played LoL at all lately. As much as I like the game the imbalance is just completely retarded and I hate the fact that I need to play some tryhard champions in order to have a chance of winning.

suck it up and get better.

I'm back to playing pantheon so I really don't wanna hear it about how you need to tryhard to win. Yes it makes life easier to play Kayle or some shit, but if playing Veigar really means that much to you, just do it and become the best fucking Veigar out there.

I'm playing Heroes of Newerth, and it seriously is so much better balanced it's insane.

My last LoL game that I played a few games ago we lost solely to a shaco who didn't do anything but backdoored every time we would push


Yes it is, except your back gets broken within a day from carrying pubs, if you try to.

Oh I play mostly with my friends, an IRL friend of mine is extremely good at the game so actually he's the one carrying me most of the time <_< http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/player_stats.php?aid=785702

I'm currently kind of waiting for them to get this game balanced out, the current state is just a big mehhh.

If HoN wasnt like a direct rip off of dota (renamed heroes with the same abilities??) then i would prob play it
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 27 2010 00:40 GMT
#14798
slint, you should add a kage's to your early game, build a DFG instead of ghostblade, and focus on AP. AP will strengthen your feint and your vorpal and combined with max cdr you'll be unkillable (while still outputting damage, instead of just having a gimmicky shield)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
jtbem
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1404 Posts
August 27 2010 00:49 GMT
#14799
so how do you place 2 heimer turrets down at the same time? or is the tooltip wrong?
aka Sowelulol
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
August 27 2010 00:54 GMT
#14800
At level 2 turret skill you can have a maximum of 2 turrets up at the same time, but you place turrets down individually.
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