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On August 27 2010 10:52 Brees wrote:
why do people not buy items with mana just because your char has no mana? no one buys banshee veil for the mana lol. if you want more burst, buy a deathfire, mana or not.
it might not be the primary reason but it's on the back of my mind when I buy banshees...I like it on mummy/udyr a ton cause I use that mana it comes with
Deathfire is useful I should build it more
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On August 27 2010 10:50 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 09:40 gtrsrs wrote:
slint, you should add a kage's to your early game, build a DFG instead of ghostblade, and focus on AP. AP will strengthen your feint and your vorpal and combined with max cdr you'll be unkillable (while still outputting damage, instead of just having a gimmicky shield) I dunno, the whole paying for mana regen thing turns me off of that route, while teleport+ghostblade give me towerkilling powa. And since feint's shield works with my armor/mres (I'm pretty sure) an extra 250 hp every 3 seconds is probably enough. Honestly it's sorta depressing trying to make manaless hero builds.
you're not paying for the mana regen if you keep the kage's pick for like 17 minutes or more.
and i can't verify 100% but i'm almost positive feint is just damage block without resistances which is why it scales with AP, not armor/MR
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yeah I run Nashor's on my pro CDR KENNEN build amongst other things but there's the knowing that I'm paying for something my hero can't use that still irks me
that and so many masteries don't help my ninja bros (SoS, Meditate :< ....)
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On August 27 2010 11:30 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 10:50 myopia wrote:On August 27 2010 09:40 gtrsrs wrote:
slint, you should add a kage's to your early game, build a DFG instead of ghostblade, and focus on AP. AP will strengthen your feint and your vorpal and combined with max cdr you'll be unkillable (while still outputting damage, instead of just having a gimmicky shield) I dunno, the whole paying for mana regen thing turns me off of that route, while teleport+ghostblade give me towerkilling powa. And since feint's shield works with my armor/mres (I'm pretty sure) an extra 250 hp every 3 seconds is probably enough. Honestly it's sorta depressing trying to make manaless hero builds. you're not paying for the mana regen if you keep the kage's pick for like 17 minutes or more. and i can't verify 100% but i'm almost positive feint is just damage block without resistances which is why it scales with AP, not armor/MR
It's not a protoss shield you know...
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I just checked the feint/armor thing against a turret:
I had 36% phys reduction, lvl 1 feint gives 50 hp, turret dealt 158 damage
I took one shot from the turret, feint broke and I lost ~50 hp, which means the overall damage dealt was ~100, or 158 reduced 36%.
Tested again with lvl 3 feint, 43% armor, against a turret dealing 200 damage. It didn't even break my 150 hp shield.
So armor/mres does affect your shield, it's treated as an extension of your HP. I think it'd be better to go the ghostblade route in this case because straight tank will give you more effective hp than AP.
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except that ghostblade doesn't increase your hp, armor, AP, or magic resist
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Yeah you're right, I guess it depends on whether you think the benefits from ghostblade outweigh the benefits of DFG. I'll try both. But going for more AP after DFG isn't feasible imo.
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On August 27 2010 11:23 Shinshady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 11:18 Phrost wrote:On August 27 2010 11:08 b3h47pte wrote:
holy hell. when did kogmaw become so...strong >> Attack speed > armor penetration when you have bio-arcane barrage and madred's bloodrazor lol Exactly... I went 14/4/16 with kog'maw today. They buffed the AD style so much with the ASPD. Did Caustic Spittle's AP ratio change with the rework of it? If it did, he lost another AP nuke since the ratio was 0.7AP which worked wonder when you had to drop if you were getting focused/close to an enemy.
Caustic Spittle's active is trash. the range is so low that you're basically dead if you can hit someone with it.
The passive IAS and Bio-arcane Barrage can actually pretty easily crush most tanks nowadays.
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On August 27 2010 11:22 arb wrote:
Man watching Hotshot and his friends talking shit to newbs really makes me lose faith in people
Then don't watch :o
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I just tried Kog Maw with bloodrazor + as, it tears people apart.. do you guys suggest sorc shoes for the build for w + ult. Not sure if it would apply to the bloodrazor damage..
Also, Mpen Aspeed or Ar Pen marks?
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i just think if you're going gimmicky shen to support his shield, don't do it with an attack item. it's not like shen sits there auto-attacking their carry or anything. with dfg you can cut their health instantly to 2/3 or whatever it is, and with AP items you can keep whittling away with like 500 damage vorpals instead of the 150 damage auto-attack that ghostblade will give you
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On August 27 2010 12:42 BraveGhost wrote:
I just tried Kog Maw with bloodrazor + as, it tears people apart.. do you guys suggest sorc shoes for the build for w + ult. Not sure if it would apply to the bloodrazor damage..
Also, Mpen Aspeed or Ar Pen marks?
It does work but berserker greaves or mercury treads will be better
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I just wanted to play one game(maybe two!)... sadface.
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On August 27 2010 13:01 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 12:42 BraveGhost wrote:
I just tried Kog Maw with bloodrazor + as, it tears people apart.. do you guys suggest sorc shoes for the build for w + ult. Not sure if it would apply to the bloodrazor damage..
Also, Mpen Aspeed or Ar Pen marks? It does work but berserker greaves or mercury treads will be better
You could definitely go for the same logic behind AD TF of getting zerks on the glass cannon, it still annoys me that you have no ways of escaping...
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kog maw plays like kayle but he does more damage/less utility, id build them the same or just go bloodrazor's/berserker greaves for all in damage
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The only characters I really feel compelled to play nowadays are beefy ass melee like Garen/Xin/Singed. I used to be all about the glass cannons like Ez and Pirate but once you get a taste of Garen's spin power man you just don't go back.
Too bad my internet is so horrible right now I can't reliably play on my main. 
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On August 27 2010 12:41 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 11:22 arb wrote:
Man watching Hotshot and his friends talking shit to newbs really makes me lose faith in people Then don't watch :o + Show Spoiler +
The person that was trash talking was the one of the friends of "Delovely" (some girl Hotshot was playing with), none of us that regularly play with Hotshot said anything to aggravate the other team during that game (I was on my smurf). I also told the guy to stop after he said it.
Anyway, I can see how some the people I play with come off as elitist (Hotshot can, and same with Chauster), and I can't blame you for being annoyed. I'll try my best to keep them in line if I can (including myself). Sorry.
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On August 27 2010 13:23 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 12:41 HazMat wrote:On August 27 2010 11:22 arb wrote:
Man watching Hotshot and his friends talking shit to newbs really makes me lose faith in people Then don't watch :o + Show Spoiler + The person that was trash talking was the one of the friends of "Delovely" (some girl Hotshot was playing with), none of us that regularly play with Hotshot said anything to aggravate the other team during that game (I was on my smurf). I also told the guy to stop after he said it. Anyway, I can see how some the people I play with come off as elitist (Hotshot can, and same with Chauster), and I can't blame you for being annoyed. I'll try my best to keep them in line if I can (including myself). Sorry.
I was kidding , the 'hotshotgg is mean' is reference to last night's stream haha. I enjoy watching his stream, sadly it's been bugging out recently.
edit: oh you were talking to arb.
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can i get a link to hotshotgg's stream? :3
or his past games?
people keep referring to this stream that I cannot find anywhere.
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I finally found an Evelynn item build I like. Going to work out the order, but a game I just played (and actually killed people!) saw boots -> RoA -> Triforce -> Rylai (Rylai was completed 10 secs before they surrendered though).
I really underestimated Sheen the first time I tested it. It's also taken me a while to mash Q unconsciously while fighting lol.
One thing I'm a bit worried about though is that going for RoA and Triforce (Is it actually called that? lol) leaves my armour and MR on the low side.
And I finally hit 20! Two Quints and ranked, here I come.
[Edit] Jungle Evelyn failed hard. I don't know much about jungling, but lvl 1 Evelynn vs Golem = fail. Also, lvl 30 for solo ranked? WTF. 'Cause you know, playing a lot of games means you're good. Sigh.
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