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On August 02 2013 11:47 YangJia wrote:
I'm quickly realizing it's a waste of breath to argue on this website. People are supportive of all reasonable (their own) ideas and bash on any opposition as if they have defined morality. Please note defining morality is an impossible task and you are therefore ignorant. My arguments are made not based on claims of my own righteousness, but of my own individuality, as yours are not. I'm not against you thinking as you wish, but I am against you forcing your opinions on others.
Many of you are clearly supreme beings that outperform the likes of Socrates and Descartes, I should not have tried to disagree with your thoroughly contemplated stances.
Socrates was executed by the state for his words.
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What does philosophy have anything to do with a debate regarding basic human rights? And what do Socrates or Descartes have anything to do with this debate?At least they had the reason not to argue against the liberties of a group of people to choose their own sex partner, regardless of gender. Not to mention the irony that homosexuality was pretty much accepted in ancient Greece.
You did'nt waste your breath, you convinced everyone here that you were pretty much behind in terms of social development, which is your right...
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On August 02 2013 11:51 EtherealBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 11:38 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2013 11:33 Azzur wrote:“An athlete of nontraditional sexual orientation isn’t banned from coming to Sochi,” Vitaly Mutko said in an interview with R-Sport, the sports newswire of state news agency RIA Novosti. “But if he goes out into the streets and starts to propagandize, then of course he will be held accountable.” Russia is not banning homosexual people - they are merely banning people from propagandizing it. If, lets say, I had a particular belief that you don't like (e.g. polygamy). If your country bans it, should I have the right to come in a flaunt my beliefs all over you? People here are taking a strong stance and talking about boycotts merely because it conflicts with their own beliefs. However, if the situation were reversed (i.e. someone else has beliefs they don't support), I bet those same people talking about boycotts will say "boycotts are an overreaction". It's such an ambiguous law though, in terms of interpretation. Does saying publicly 'It's ok to be gay' fall under its remit for example? If it does contravene the law, in actuality that's hardly creating an environment where it's comfortable to be a homosexual is it. It's not even about what Russian society does, to me in their own time, it's whether they should be awarded such an event. I mean, apartheid was South Africa's business too, didn't stop the rest of the world making them a pariah and intervening in non-military ways to try to bring about change there. I'd advise you to take a look at the list of hosts of both Summer and Winter Olympics, let's say from 1936. You'll see that while the 'idea' survived into the present that the Games are a messenger of peace etc., very rarely do non-aligned countries host them. In fact the majority of the hosts have been very much involved in wars, human rights scandals and various other abuses of freedom that invalidates the point of boycott, or not allowing a certain country to host. Remember the last boycott that was directed against the Soviet Union for their war in Afghanistan? Should the world boycott the US now? This issue is meaningless. I'd bet the vast majority of the Russian people actually don't even care about the existence of this law, especially how hosting the Games gives rise to many more domestic problems. It's just some Western journalists jumping at the Russians again.
I'd advise you to read my earlier posts in which I acknowledged this, and posited that the Olympic movement is essentially a massive, bloated sham of an organisation that is in hoc to corporate interests and has grown out of all proportion as to what it's supposed to be.
I mean, my own thoughts are more against the IOC than Russian politics.
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On August 02 2013 11:53 AeroGear wrote:
What does philosophy have anything to do with a debate regarding basic human rights? And what do Socrates or Descartes have anything to do with this debate?At least they had the reason not to argue against the liberties of a group of people to choose their own sex partner, regardless of gender. Not to mention the irony that homosexuality was pretty much accepted in ancient Greece.
You did'nt waste your breath, you convinced everyone here that you were pretty much behind in terms of social development, which is your right...
Holy fuck the egos here.
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philosophy has nothing to do with human rights holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck can admins please make it so i cant even see teamliquid anymore as a website? GET ME OUTTA HERE
User was banned for this post.
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On August 02 2013 12:01 YangJia wrote:
philosophy has nothing to do with human rights holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck can admins please make it so i cant even see teamliquid anymore as a website? GET ME OUTTA HERE
Just add "don't ban me for this" to the end of that nice little post and the rest will work itself out 
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On August 02 2013 12:01 YangJia wrote:
philosophy has nothing to do with human rights holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck can admins please make it so i cant even see teamliquid anymore as a website? GET ME OUTTA HERE
rofl. You know you can just close the browser?
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On August 02 2013 12:01 YangJia wrote:
philosophy has nothing to do with human rights holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck can admins please make it so i cant even see teamliquid anymore as a website? GET ME OUTTA HERE
It's pretty apparent that that poster probably didn't construct his response well. I will have a go to approximate what I think he meant.
What does mentioning that you have read Descartes and Socrates matter to a thread where it's dealing with a modern conception of human rights, when you don't even explain the rationale behind namechecking those two philosophers, or indeed most of your opinions?
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"Socrates died for my right to engage in pseudo-dialectics"
- our most venerable YangJia, a man beyond his times
edit: a true martyr; may his name live on to the end of teamliquid
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''What do you need the police for? You already know who he is and where he lives, go fuck him up.''
YangJia - July 2013
Such elegant eloquence. His wisdom shall be missed.
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On August 02 2013 12:17 bw546hw56hj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 12:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
''What do you need the police for? You already know who he is and where he lives, go fuck him up.''
YangJia - July 2013
Such elegant eloquence. His wisdom shall be missed. yea god forbid u deal with your problems yourself BITCH
Hi again PBU!
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On August 02 2013 12:12 koreasilver wrote:
"Socrates died for my right to engage in pseudo-dialectics"
- our most venerable YangJia, a man beyond his times
edit: a true martyr; may his name live on to the end of teamliquid
Socrates also died for memes, you know.
I just think that pressure from a bunch of other countries on a non-philosophical but useful way (like doing something instead of talking about it) will get russia to see that it's not a good idea maybe. It's not really a "deep" issuem, a lotta people dont agree with that shit and will say something regardless of philosophy and shit.
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like there is just no point... the Olympics are supposed to be something amazing. It seems like there always needs to be some sort of fog around the Olympics.
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Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it.
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On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it.
Straight people aren't persecuted all over the world so they have no reason to hold rallies and public events to raise awareness and promote themselves.
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On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it.
Why is the Russian state bringing us into it?
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On August 02 2013 12:36 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it. Why is the Russian state bringing us into it?
God forbid they enforce the laws of their country.
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On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it.
Well straight people aren't usually bullied for being straight, I mean sometimes if you're like a super-nerd or something but usually it has nothing to do with your orientation. I dunno, I guess they dont have to rally and say they're proud of being gay, but it's understandable.
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