EPTRussia Plans To Enforce Anti-Gay Law at Olympics - Page 9
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arsonist
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semantics
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On August 02 2013 13:34 reps)squishy wrote: Yeah because Russia knows how to raise children just asked the fucked up children they raised in their orphanages due to no understanding of basic child developmental psychology.Russia is going to be Russia. They are strong minded and their parents raised them right. Sexual intercourse is only for one man and one women. On August 02 2013 13:50 Roe wrote: everything you wrote applies to heterosexuality. to recap: minors are very sensitive, they shouldn't have sexuality exposed to them, let minors grow up and learn naturally, let them make their own choices. k? Let children make their own choices; because parenting is not about influencing your child's decisions so that they don't grow up dumb as bricks and kill themselves jumping off a house with an umbrella. Children are impressionable if you don't teach them they will learn though their peers. Do you really want information about sexuality being taught to your children by their friends, especially when it's misinformed or poor not based in fact or scientific observations. This is how people end up thinking that a girl is suppose to bleed and tear their hymens for their first time, the hymen is flexible a little foreplay and a girl who's relaxed and ready will not need to tear their hymens, it's actually a few rare types of hymen that would need to be torn in order to be penetrated but it's very rare and that's best treated though surgery else the hymen just grows back. Ignorance is not a solution. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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Russia’s contentious law was signed by President Vladimir Putin in late June, imposing fines on individuals accused of spreading “propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations” to minors Russia is an orthodox country with very strong church. Homosexuality is not really accepted there and I don't think that this will change any time soon. But you are no one to interfere in their internal affairs. It's not like the government is forcing this on the people... Also exposing children to any kind of sexuality is wrong. | ||
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semantics
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On August 02 2013 14:06 Pr0wler wrote: Tell me a single wrong thing with that law. Russia is an orthodox country with very strong church. Homosexuality is not really accepted there and I don't think that this will change any time soon. But you are no one to interfere in their internal affairs. It's not like the government is forcing this on the people... Also exposing children to any kind of sexuality is wrong. It's clearly forcing it on it's people it's a Law the point of Laws are to force people into compliance. Now do all of it's citizens mind? I do not know but there is a clear minority in Russia that is trouble by the law and it's consequences. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:06 Pr0wler wrote: Tell me a single wrong thing with that law. Russia is an orthodox country with very strong church. Homosexuality is not really accepted there and I don't think that this will change any time soon. But you are no one to interfere in their internal affairs. It's not like the government is forcing this on the people... Also exposing children to any kind of sexuality is wrong. Minors are not all children. A teenager should be able to have the information to understand their own sexuality before becoming a legal adult. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11637 Posts
I am pretty sure noone is talking about showing pornography (gay or not gay) to children, or anything along those lines. If you are not allowed to tell children that sometimes men like kissing other men instead of women, that is problematic. Some ethical problems are complicated. Homosexuality is not. Being homosexual hurts no one, and has no negative impact on anyone. Beating up homosexuals does. Thus, it is obvious which one is ethically wrong, and which one is not. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
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fLyiNgDroNe
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semantics
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On August 02 2013 14:15 Simberto wrote: It depends a lot on the way it is done. For example, sex ed in school is pretty useful. It helps preventing diseases and unwanted pregnancies through actually educating children. I am pretty sure noone is talking about showing pornography (gay or not gay) to children, or anything along those lines. If you are not allowed to tell children that sometimes men like kissing other men instead of women, that is problematic. Some ethical problems are complicated. Homosexuality is not. Being homosexual hurts no one, and has no negative impact on anyone. Beating up homosexuals does. Thus, it is obvious which one is ethically wrong, and which one is not. Here people seem to not want to acknowledge gay people exist in sex education. Because you know firm believers of existentialism. You know Ahmadinejad says they have no gay people in Iran must be working. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:06 Pr0wler wrote: Tell me a single wrong thing with that law. Russia is an orthodox country with very strong church. Homosexuality is not really accepted there and I don't think that this will change any time soon. But you are no one to interfere in their internal affairs. It's not like the government is forcing this on the people... Also exposing children to any kind of sexuality is wrong. ...That's exactly what they're doing. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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I don't think that the majority of russians disagree with that law. Now tell me if they don't disagree, how is this forcing ? | ||
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semantics
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On August 02 2013 14:22 Pr0wler wrote: I don't think that the majority of russians disagree with that law. Now tell me if they don't disagree, how is this forcing ? So a majority always has the right to oppress a minority even when such oppression helps ignorance and hate against a minority group. Or you simply saying the minority doesn't exist well if they don't exist then why is this a law? | ||
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animagne
United Kingdom47 Posts
Because by Russian logic, if you are sexual minority, you must be a pedophile. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:23 semantics wrote: So a majority always has the right to oppress a minority even when such oppression helps ignorance and hate against a minority group. Or you simply saying the minority doesn't exist well if they don't exist then why is this a law? It's a law about spreading propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations to minors. You assert your right to do that and anything contrary to your position is oppression of a minority group, and thereby contributing to ignorance and hate ? Please. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:22 Pr0wler wrote: I don't think that the majority of russians disagree with that law. Now tell me if they don't disagree, how is this forcing ? y'know at one point in time we in the US had laws that 'the majority' voted up into place that made it so blacks couldn't drink water at white-people-only water fountains. turns out the majority had it wrong, so maybe russia might consider that the direction it's going is wrong too for similar reasons | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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semantics
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On August 02 2013 14:27 Kaitlin wrote: Propaganda is in Russian terms so far to mean any existence to homosexuality as being okay this is not limited to walking up to 8 year olds and telling them about who and what homosexuals are or in classroom settings. This is all minors(includes teenagers)and the scope goes to TV etc anything and everything in the public eye, the term minors is nothing more then a blanket term in order to shut people up from acknowledge homosexuals exist outside of mocking or ridiculing them. Portraying homosexuality as being okay is forbidden under this law even if the statement is something as simple as "It's okay if you're a homosexual" is propaganda, it's a law based around hate.It's a law about spreading propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations to minors. You assert your right to do that and anything contrary to your position is oppression of a minority group, and thereby contributing to ignorance and hate ? Please. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26085 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:06 Pr0wler wrote: Tell me a single wrong thing with that law. Russia is an orthodox country with very strong church. Homosexuality is not really accepted there and I don't think that this will change any time soon. But you are no one to interfere in their internal affairs. It's not like the government is forcing this on the people... Also exposing children to any kind of sexuality is wrong. Anybody remember this? The Russian state apparatus also locked up these ladies for exposing the delicate Russian minors to such terrifying expressions of sexuality. Oh wait, they didn't? I mean, it's not at all similar, and I agree with you that children are over-sexualised at an earlier and earlier age tbh, but it's clearly an anti-gay rather than anti-sexualisation move. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26085 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:32 semantics wrote: Propaganda is in Russian terms so far to mean any existence to homosexuality as being okay this is not limited to walking up to 8 year olds and telling them about who and what homosexuals are or in classroom settings. This is all minors(includes teenagers)and the scope goes to TV etc anything and everything in the public eye, the term minors is nothing more then a blanket term in order to shut people up from acknowledge homosexuals exist outside of mocking or ridiculing them. Portraying homosexuality as being okay is forbidden under this law even if the statement is something as simple as "It's okay if you're a homosexual" is propaganda, it's a law based around hate. 'Dad, I'm gay, does that make me evil, the Orthodox Church say so?' You're forced into telling your kid 'Yes son, you're a sinful person' because to counteract the official line and, I don't know accept your fucking child by comforting them is illegal. | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On August 02 2013 14:29 FallDownMarigold wrote: y'know at one point in time we in the US had laws that 'the majority' voted up into place that made it so blacks couldn't drink water at white-people-only water fountains. turns out the majority had it wrong, so maybe russia might consider that the direction it's going is wrong too for similar reasons You do realize that right and wrong are defined by the majority, and its only wrong because the majority deems it so now. | ||
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