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On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it.
Straight people aren't pushed into suicide for being straight, aren't executed by their governments for being straight and aren't banned from talking about being straight. They have no need to hold rallies for awareness of their plight or try to shine straightness in a positive light, everybody already likes them.
Can't say the same about gays, though.
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On August 02 2013 12:41 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 12:36 Roe wrote:On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it. Why is the Russian state bringing us into it? God forbid they enforce the laws of their country.
Still not answering the question: why is the Russian state bringing us into the affairs of sexuality? By default the government is the one trying to drag us into this business. Those who speak out against it aren't the ones to blame.
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On August 02 2013 07:48 Reason wrote:
I don't think Russia deserves to host the Olympics and I think they should change the location.
Well everybody thinks so. But good intentions don´t rule the world but money does.
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On August 02 2013 12:51 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 12:41 Rhaegal wrote:On August 02 2013 12:36 Roe wrote:On August 02 2013 12:33 GhostLink wrote:
Well, good. You don't seen straight people on the streets rallying because they're proud to be straight. I don't want gays doing that either, because frankly I couldn't care less about their sexual orientation. It's their business, why drag the rest of us into it. Why is the Russian state bringing us into it? God forbid they enforce the laws of their country. Still not answering the question: why is the Russian state bringing us into the affairs of sexuality? By default the government is the one trying to drag us into this business. Those who speak out against it aren't the ones to blame.
That's right get the bid for an international event that will bring thousands of people from all walks of life into your country and millions more viewing it to show off how intolerant we are to different walks of life.
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You all people want to dictate to Russia with your own per-concieved notions of right and wrong, you have been told by the internet that any infringement on a gay person is evil and wrong so you want to make war with Russia over it. You don't want to empathize with Russia they are "just wrong period".
In my opinion Russia is protecting the human rights of its youth actually, by stopping those with agendas to pour lots of disinfo into minds of kids and manipulating their soft minds with lots of lies. Vladimir Putin also banned 'religious offense' which is also a reaction against Islam justifying violence through 'offendedness'. Another free speech issue which is a reaction against nonsense. Nobody has the right to be violent because of speech. There are LGBT folks in Russia who are rioting in their streets over this. For their 'right' to possibly sexually mentally abuse kids.
Look I believe there is evidence that kids are able to be really screwed up at early age by sexual propaganda. Their is evidence that you can brainwash your offspring to be gay, transgender or whatever you want them to be e.g. that boy who had lesbian parents and then wanted a sex change possibly because of subtle manipulation.
Perhaps it is US who are backward, that it is Putin who is intelligent who really wants to only protect the future of his country, we may grow to recognize that, or maybe he is wrong.
However, Olympics are about cultural enrichment. Do we have the right to be able to ruin the entire games for our athletes based on hurt feelings of certain gays about something we don't fully understand? This is the Russian culture that has been decided by the majority vote. Every culture has an oddity that may be disgusting to to others including USA (*cough NSA cough)
The other 90% of the world will be happy the USA banned the Olympics, they will get far more medals and money.
Boycotting is far too harsh and helps only the magnified few who use their Reddit and Tumblr to seem bigger than they are.
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On August 02 2013 13:02 DeathProfessor wrote:
You all people want to dictate to Russia with your own per-concieved notions of right and wrong, you have been told by the internet that any infringement on a gay person is evil and wrong so you want to make war with Russia over it. You don't want to empathize with Russia they are "just wrong period".
In my opinion Russia is protecting the human rights of its youth actually, by stopping those with agendas to pour lots of disinfo into minds of kids and manipulating their soft minds with lots of lies. Vladimir Putin also banned 'religious offense' which is also a reaction against Islam justifying violence through 'offendedness'. Another free speech issue which is a reaction against nonsense. Nobody has the right to be violent because of speech. There are LGBT folks in Russia who are rioting in their streets over this. For their 'right' to possibly sexually mentally abuse kids.
[bLook I believe there is evidence that kids are able to be really screwed up at early age by sexual propaganda. Their is evidence that you can brainwash your offspring to be gay, transgender or whatever you want them to be e.g. that boy who had lesbian parents and then wanted a sex change possibly because of subtle manipulation.
Perhaps it is US who are backward, that it is Putin who is intelligent who really wants to only protect the future of his country, we may grow to recognize that, or maybe he is wrong.
However, Olympics are about cultural enrichment. Do we have the right to be able to ruin the entire games for our athletes based on hurt feelings of certain gays about something we don't fully understand? This is the Russian culture that has been decided by the majority vote. Every culture has an oddity that may be disgusting to to others including USA (*cough NSA cough)
The other 90% of the world will be happy the USA banned the Olympics, they will get far more medals and money.
Boycotting is far too harsh and helps only the magnified few who use their Reddit and Tumblr to seem bigger than they are. [/b]
Pre-conceived notions, such as your assumption why people feel as they do on the issue. Make war with Russia which has hardly been advocated?
Perhaps not, they're not fighting for a right to sexually mentally abuse kids though.
What evidence? Even if this were true, it lacks even the basic tenet of conspiracy theory wackjobbery. WHY? Even the 9/11 truthers have a proposed rationale behind why the government blew up the towers, what possible reason would there be to brainwash people to be gay?
Hurt feelings/being actively discriminated against. Same difference of course.
What?
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'Perhaps it is US who are backward, that it is Putin who is intelligent who really wants to only protect the future of his country, we may grow to recognize that, or maybe he is wrong.'
Oh wait, I've figured it out, yeah it's totally protecting the future of his country.
Russia has an early death problem with the male population. There's a big disparity in life expectancy for men and women in the society, so of course more gay people will lead to less reproduction, leading to the death of all Russia. That must be Putin's plan, it makes so much sense now! Never mind the endemic alcohol probems Russia that are a contributory factor to a massively disproportional life expectancy among Russian males, or the corruption of the country.
The gays are the problem.
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That has to be a troll. Comparing the US having an "oddity" in the NSA to Russia having an "oddity" in government discrimination on the level of racism
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I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind the law, probably religious for these retards to stick their necks out like this. That being said it probably won't affect the athletes at all unless they go out of their way to get into trouble.
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"We must make more children for mother russia!!"- Putin
It's not banning athletes for being gay, but just keeping athletes with different sexual orientations from speaking their mind while they are there. Yes this is a bit heinous in its own way, but should'nt really affect the Olympics unless they don't follow their rules.
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Russia is going to be Russia. They are strong minded and their parents raised them right. Sexual intercourse is only for one man and one women.
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On August 02 2013 13:34 reps)squishy wrote:
Russia is going to be Russia. They are strong minded and their parents raised them right. Sexual intercourse is only for one man and one women.
Well, at least your rather close-minded views are consistent. No FFM threesomes for me 
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Just to make something clear, the current situation in Russia is not just of the government oppressing a group of people through laws. The police and state are also turning a blind eye to violent crimes committed against those groups of people, much the same way lynchings and other violent crimes were treated in the Jim Crow South.
Russia's homophobia has turned extremely violent and the state is ignoring it, essentially sentencing them.
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/europe/as-the-world-celebrates-idaho-homophobia-in-russia-is-on-the-rise/
+ Show Spoiler [disturbing] +On the evening May 9, a 23-year-old man in the city of Volgograd was drinking with two “friends” when he revealed that he was gay. In response, the two men savagely beat the 23-year-old, crushing his ribs, sodomizing him with beer bottles and attempting to burn him alive. They abandoned his body, only to return and smash his head in repeatedly – just in case he might have survived the first attack.
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well i dont see anything wrong with it tbh...people should be mature enough to make their own choices and personal views but extending that to minors is another thing. minors are very sensitive to what they are exposed to and not that theirs anything wrong with gays and lesbians but they shouldnt expose their lifestyle to them. let the minor grow up and learn about these things naturally. this political correctness bashing is almost sicken
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On August 02 2013 13:37 Jibba wrote:Just to make something clear, the current situation in Russia is not just of the government oppressing a group of people through laws. The police and state are also turning a blind eye to violent crimes committed against those groups of people, much the same way lynchings and other violent crimes were treated in the Jim Crow South. Russia's homophobia has turned extremely violent and the state is ignoring it, essentially sentencing them. http://blog.amnestyusa.org/europe/as-the-world-celebrates-idaho-homophobia-in-russia-is-on-the-rise/+ Show Spoiler [disturbing] +On the evening May 9, a 23-year-old man in the city of Volgograd was drinking with two “friends” when he revealed that he was gay. In response, the two men savagely beat the 23-year-old, crushing his ribs, sodomizing him with beer bottles and attempting to burn him alive. They abandoned his body, only to return and smash his head in repeatedly – just in case he might have survived the first attack.
From what I was reading earlier it seems that acceptance of homosexuality is actually lessening rather than increasing in Russia, which is essentially the reverse of many countries in 'the West'.
Perhaps it's organic, a genuine manifestation of the country's psyche. Perhaps, (as is more likely imo) the government and the church raising the issue homosexuality to act as smokescreen for their own failings.
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On August 02 2013 13:38 Yoshinaka wrote:
well i dont see anything wrong with it tbh...people should be mature enough to make their own choices and personal views but extending that to minors is another thing. minors are very sensitive to what they are exposed to and not that theirs anything wrong with gays and lesbians but they shouldnt expose their lifestyle to them. let the minor grow up and learn about these things naturally. this political correctness bashing is almost sicken
So absolutely zero sexual information until they're (18-20)? Yeah, what a great generation you'll have raised.
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On August 02 2013 09:47 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 09:17 Zooper31 wrote:On August 02 2013 07:32 Elroi wrote:
It would be funny if the athletes took this in their own hands and started running around the stadium with the LGBT flag after winning a medal... That would make my day. I have a feeling that if nothing is changed by the time the Olympics come around at least a few will attempt to do this. What is Russia gonna do, take away their medal and arrest them in front of millions of people? I imagine if an athlete did this, they would be stripped of their medals. Tommie Smith and John Carlos lost their medals did a black power salute in 1968 and lost their medals.
It was reported that they did in the media, but John Carlos gave an interview stating that it was false and they were never stripped of their medals. They were removed from the US team and banned from the Olympic village.
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On August 02 2013 13:37 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 13:34 reps)squishy wrote:
Russia is going to be Russia. They are strong minded and their parents raised them right. Sexual intercourse is only for one man and one women. Well, at least your rather close-minded views are consistent. No FFM threesomes for me
Well the girls tend to touch each. But if both are allover you 
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On August 02 2013 13:41 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 13:38 Yoshinaka wrote:
well i dont see anything wrong with it tbh...people should be mature enough to make their own choices and personal views but extending that to minors is another thing. minors are very sensitive to what they are exposed to and not that theirs anything wrong with gays and lesbians but they shouldnt expose their lifestyle to them. let the minor grow up and learn about these things naturally. this political correctness bashing is almost sicken So absolutely zero sexual information until they're (18-20)? Yeah, what a great generation you'll have raised.
so you cant have sexual education unless it covers gay sexuality as well...riiiiight
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On August 02 2013 13:48 Yoshinaka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 13:41 Roe wrote:On August 02 2013 13:38 Yoshinaka wrote:
well i dont see anything wrong with it tbh...people should be mature enough to make their own choices and personal views but extending that to minors is another thing. minors are very sensitive to what they are exposed to and not that theirs anything wrong with gays and lesbians but they shouldnt expose their lifestyle to them. let the minor grow up and learn about these things naturally. this political correctness bashing is almost sicken So absolutely zero sexual information until they're (18-20)? Yeah, what a great generation you'll have raised. so you cant have sexual education unless it covers gay sexuality as well...riiiiight
everything you wrote applies to heterosexuality.
to recap:
minors are very sensitive, they shouldn't have sexuality exposed to them, let minors grow up and learn naturally, let them make their own choices.
k?
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