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Night 4![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aAiRL.jpg)
Tracer Bullet lay dying in a pool of blood and whiskey. He motioned for everyone to lean in closer so they would be able to hear his last words:
"Second star to the right, straight on 'till morning."
So they boarded Serenity and made off towards their destination. Before too long, and nobody seemed to be able to discern if it was real or all in their imaginations, they reached the mystical planet Neverland. They landed on the shore of a small lagoon, and it wasn't too long before the first danger presented itself.
tick tock tick tock...
The sound seemed to be coming from deep in the lagoon. The 5 remaining heroes slowly walked to the edge of the water in cautious anticipation.
tick tock tick tock........
It sounded like a giant clock, but the sound was somehow muted and it seemed to be coming closer by the second. As the ticking and tocking became louder still, everyone took several uncomfortable steps backwards.
tick tock tick tock...........
With an enormous splash a blur of green flew out of the water. It slammed down onto the sand and began crawling towards its prey at an alarming speed. Nobody had ever seen a crocodile of such terrifying size, and their fear was further increased by the constant noise emanating from deep inside the croc's belly.....
tick tock tick tock.................
The group turned and fled. But The Cat got pushed down to the ground during the confusion, and he wasn't able to recover before the giant croc was upon him. The Cat watched as the monster began eating his legs, and said…
“All I can do now is
Sit
Sit
Sit!
I do not like it.
Not one little bit!”
debears as The Cat in the Hat, Vanilla Townie was lynched!
Flavor is just flavor. We are now in the Night Cycle. There are 24 hours remaining until the start of Day 5. Make sure to pm your night actions to both prplhz and myself before the night is over! Deadline is at 20:00 GMT (+00:00)
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Well shit. That had to be the scummiest looking townie I've ever seen.
Guess it must be shady then.
SDM, do you think RSC can possibly be scum?
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Oh fuck, Debears is a hero for sticking around this long after all shit he was taking. Time to really look into those filters.
@Boson, yes. I'm leaning towards SS, but Remedy has been lurky and I've barely looked into his filter because my intuition had me leaning townie early. He's more or less null and him being one of the remaining two I consider possible scum overlooking that risk would be stupid.
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Also, nicely done debears.
You put up with a lot of shit, and it worked in day2, I got a townie vibe from you defending yourself and pushing cases.
However, that went down the drain once you jumped into the wagon against me after you proclaimed me townie and later went into desperation mode =/
At least now you are in the afterlife, enjoying the sweet knowledge of who is the last scum, while I'm still a confused and frustrated townie.
See you in 24h =)
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Gg guys. Ill explain why i went ape shit today after the game.
Gl town
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So SDM, why should we lynch shady and not RSC?
I dunno, rereading the filters, I'm starting to have a bad townie feel on corrosion. However, RSC also gives me a town feel. And there's no way you are scum so wtf is going on lol
Find anything interesting in the filters?
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On October 09 2012 08:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
So SDM, why should we lynch shady and not RSC?
I dunno, rereading the filters, I'm starting to have a bad townie feel on corrosion. However, RSC also gives me a town feel. And there's no way you are scum so wtf is going on lol
Find anything interesting in the filters?
Z-Bo, NK will put us at LYLO. Why are you so eager to force SDM to spill his views on everyone else?
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Because
a) Out of the three I'm most sure on him not being scum
b) even though I'm probably going to die, I'd like to know his reads in case he's the one to die
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Just got back home from my mini vacation.
On October 08 2012 09:47 Z-BosoN wrote:
RSC, what do you make of all this? Show your face here please. You are too fucking lurky.
Boson - I think that was a bit unnecessary. My wife and I made last minute plans to go on a road trip for our first anniversary. I posted about it if you would have paid attention.
On October 06 2012 05:41 RemedySC wrote:
This weekend is my wife and I's first anniversary, we are going away for 2 nights, I can post from the hotel before bed, but other than that I won't be around. Leaving tomorrow morning.
Turned out though that I was too busy to participate during the weekend. I apologize for my absence.
Anyways -
I was sure that Debears was going to flip mafia. Going to read through some filters since it looks like I missed a lot. Will have something posted, if not before bed, than before the Day post.
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On October 09 2012 08:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
So SDM, why should we lynch shady and not RSC?
I dunno, rereading the filters, I'm starting to have a bad townie feel on corrosion. However, RSC also gives me a town feel. And there's no way you are scum so wtf is going on lol
Find anything interesting in the filters?
Could you elaborate more on why you are starting to get a bad townie feel on Corrosion? I was reading through Debears filter and came upon his case against Corrosion.
On September 30 2012 11:51 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Corrosion, on the other hand, has stronger evidence piling up. First, his call out of remedy early in the game was unwarranted Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 02:47 corrosion wrote:
@Remedy
You made two posts without much content early on D1, and there's been nothing since then. You implied that you were going to contribute more than last game you played. So why don't you tell us about your reads so far? He wants Remedy to post more and tell him about Remedy's reads. However, he had not posted any reads of his own at this point. It's contradicting. Something that can make him look like he's contributing. Now, on to him post about Darth Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:I'm just going to address the "fight" between Darth and Kush. I'm going to focus on Darth for now. Looking more closely into Kush's contribution is something I think should be done well ahead of lynch time. I'm actually going to start by telling about some thoughts I had after reading my role PM. I was trying to figure out what players town should be focusing on. I had obsed NMMXXVII, and came to the conclusion that it might be reasonable to go after any player except Kush. I figured that Kush was going to make a lot of posts anyway, so I was thinking that we could get a good analysis of him without any early pressure. One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread. Kush responded the way I expected him to, and these two posters exchanged arguments back and forth. In the middle of this, Darth made a remark against lurkers, but quickly changed his focus back on Kush. On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? I don't see why he should make this comment at this time, since it wasn't going to get looked at while there was a fight going on.Shortly afterwards, Kush makes his supposed scum slip. Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I 've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself.I'm not sure if this is a strong case against Darth at the moment. I would like some input from the more experienced players here. If Kush hadn't made that slip, I think the derailing argument would have looked strong. Now it doesn't look so strong, because we've actually gotten new information. I'm not saying that I'm sure the scum slip is an actual slip, but if it is and it results in a succesful lynch, I think town got very lucky. Scum usually wouldn't slip in such an obvious manner.His cases against Debears and Alsn are something that might reveal useful information, but I've not studied them closely yet. I still think that Kush seems more suspicious when everything is taken into consideration but with all the focus that has been on him, I'm sure someone else can post a decent case on him before we need to consider our first lynch. This post really raised my eyes looking back at it. First, he mentions darth's "everybody stop leaving after your intro" post. He doesn't see reason although the reason is clear at that moment: everyone was doing that. Next, he brings up about why darth brought up darth's past games. It was pretty easy to see at that point that I asked darth for that information. This indicates to me that he(corrosion) wasn't reading the thread. He was most likely skimming. At all stages in the game, a townie must be reading and rereading the thread, since a townie has no extra information and townies have to catch the mafia. Mafia, on the other hand, don't have to do the same. They can get away with skimming since they just need to keep the town distracted. Now, I'm going to pull out the phrase with red I'm not saying that I'm sure the scum slip is an actual slip, but if it is and it results in a succesful lynch, I think town got very lucky. Scum usually wouldn't slip in such an obvious manner.Notice the wording, "I think town got lucky". Not we, the town. He seems to be excluding himself from us. Not strong at all in itself, but something to notice. If he thinks that town would be lucky if kush flipped red, then it is sensible to assume that he thinks kush is town. Next post, + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 07:17 corrosion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
corrosion, some issues with your post.
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You're not seeing my points in the proper context. Now maybe you think my analysis is weak. I can understand that view. I haven't played in one of these before, so I'm not really good at seeing the difference between weak arguments and strong arguments. Some of the other posters in the thread encouraged new players to post, but maybe I should have waited awhile and tried to build a really solid case. Show nested quote +
Who are you more inclined to vote on and why? I can't tell by the wishy-washy tone of your post
I haven't made up mind yet, so I'll be voting tomorrow. I'm thinking Kush, but I'll browse the latest developments tomorrow and see if anything has changed by then. So he thinks kush will most likely be town, yet he is thinking about voting for him? That's not sensible. Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 17:57 corrosion wrote:Good morning. I'm going to comment on a couple of things. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 10:59 DarthPunk wrote:Addressing a few things that stood out to me. Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:
Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. So yeah I went back through the thread to address this specifically. I was asked to post my previous mafia games. and then I did. And now that is some sort of attempt for me to use my meta to clear myself? Right. ... You're absolutely right. I see that you posted links to your previous games only a few minutes after Debears requested it. I missed this because I was just looking through your filter and didn't keep enough attention on the thread itself. My bad. I'm going to look at Stutter's case against Kush and other recent developments. For now, I'll vote as I implied in my last post. ##Vote Kushm4sta So, the one whom he thought would be a "lucky" scum flip is now his biggest scum read? In my eyes, this sudden flip can be easily explained if he is mafia. At this point, he is the second to last person to vote for kush. Kush is doomed. If he is mafia, he realizes there is no reason and should hop on the bandwagon. Notice that his reasoning is poor in previous posts. He never had a strong indication of kush as mafia. Furthermore, I want to point out that his only case at this point was kush. He had not done any scumhunting up to this point besides a one liner saying that I confirmed Djordref as town. You can say it's scumhunting but one line =/= a case. Hist next post is a response to Z-Boson. His responses are in the red (it's how he formatted it in his original post). + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 18:43 corrosion wrote:Adressing your issues: + Show Spoiler +
3) You are just rambling here, I think. I take the DP/kush exchange as being genuine, unless they are both scum and agreed to flaming each other. I don't think thta's likely, due to kush's fiery meta.
The first paragraph was a mistake by me, explained in my previous post. The intention of the second paragraph, was to try to get some feedback from other posters. Right now, I don't think the case is strong at all so I actually think people should focus more on their own reads and trying to find the best lynching candidate.
4) I don't get the reasoning behind this post. You are trying to make a case on DP, and concluded that you don't feel like it and actually think that kush is a better lynch? Also, stutters has made a case on him. Why not reference that?
I wasn't as much trying to make a case as just referencing my findings. I was trying the approach of focusing on one player (suggested in one of the guides). I figured that someone else was going to post a case on Kush, so I tried to focus on a player that noone else was pressuring much. I'll admit that my attempt seems to have failed quite a bit. The reason that I didn't reference Stutters, was that he made his case 7 minutes before I posted. I did not check the thread for new posts before I posted.
This post is another one that makes me scratch my head. He has a vote on kush, who he doesn't think will flip scum, and a case on DP. He drops the case on DP, now calling it a "reference" and stating that he "wasn't trying to make a case". Here, he finally states his reasoning for voting kush. Notice the timestamp. Way after his vote On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him.
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details. His point 1) Notice the timestamp of his vote post. Now, look at the timestamp of kush's explanation + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote:
Sup have to make this post real quick. Will read everything and post on my phone late.r
1. Why are you putting my name in red like darth? it seems like you are subliminally trying to influence people to your cause.
This is a game of logic not advertising.
2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use.
Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro.
Corrosion's vote came way after the explanation. He had made no mention about disliking the explanation even through his vote post. The only time he brings it up is way after the vote post when he decides to suddenly explain the reasoning for his vote On pt 2) What did the no lynch have to do with his vote on kush? A no lynch was not even in the discussion. At this point, there were 2 good candidates for lynching. Me and Kush. This is all way too odd to ignore. And finally, the last post I will look at + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2012 05:16 corrosion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
corrosion, some issues with your post.
3) You are just rambling here, I think. I take the DP/kush exchange as being genuine, unless they are both scum and agreed to flaming each other. I don't think thta's likely, due to kush's fiery meta.
I considered the possibility of both being scum early on but if both were scum, I see no reason whatsoever for Kush's scumslip. So I'm now saying that Darth is close to being confirmed town. This is something town should keep in mind during N1 and D2. It would be a spectacular bus if they did this on purpose. The only reason I can see for doing that, would be if Kush had slipped earlier in the thread. I do not think so but if someone wants to look into it, go ahead. I'm not going to spend my time on that. So he still has some suspicions in regard to DP, whom he was suspicious of d1. Yet, he says that some one else can check it out. He seems to not care about scumhunting and following his leads. He is not exhibiting townie behavior. If the town should keep it in mind, why isn't he researching it to help our cause? Overall, I could see Corrosion as scum. He follows the trend of what I look for. He doubted the case on kush (even tried a case against DP) but then suddenly switched to kush with no reasoning until later. His actions mostly have mafia motivations (unless I'm mistaken).
This post echoes a lot of my suspicions on Corrosion. Shady has been a way better poster than Corrosion though, so maybe it was bad townie...
Anyways -
With Boson being pretty much confirmed, that leaves SDM and Shady.
I really want to believe Shady is the last mafia, but if its not him than that leaves SDM...
Debears post on SDM got me questioning myself as to why did we have a town read on SDM? Is it only because he sealed the deal in the Kush case? Beacuse looking at his case, he states right at the beginning of it -
On September 29 2012 05:05 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Making a Kush case at this point is kind of like trying to kick in an open door.
From this I gather that SDM knows kush is going to be lynched. So what does a mafia do when their one active team mate is about to be lynched D1? Get as much town cred as possible, so maybe there is a chance that they could still win.
This is posted from my phone... Such a frustrating method...
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Allrighty guys,
First off let me first say that all my "omg omg SDM is town" posts are bullshit. They've been bullshit ever since debears made a case on him (which, debears, to your happiness, I did read with townie eyes. Initially I did find it lacking, but after rereading it carefully, there are some points I agree with. More on that later).
I wanted to make this post right before the deadline, but I g2g right now 
So I'm going to do three things before I die.
1) DON'T LYNCH SHADY.
- Corrosion was scummy as fuck, I'll give him that. But I don't buy it being because he was scum. As a newbie scum, the first thing you do when a townie (DP) attacks your scummy friend (kush) is to try to attack the townie, give-up mid post and say your scum friend was suspicious? No. I don't think so.
- Corrosion left a huge good-bye post, which, to me, seemed genuine. He's also shown he was frustrated that he had trouble keeping up to the thread. Scum don't have trouble keeping up with the thread. Scum can just click a filter, make a case, defend himself, and be happy. Corrosion showed us he was reading by being fairly specific on all the players.
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- Shady Sands is playing his usual retarded meta. As scum, he is usually more careful when openly talking shit (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=270373). Of course, right now he's out there writing blogs and being afk, so that doesn't make me too sure.
- SS got a COP READ for crying out loud. Whatever odds he had of coming out as scum are now cut in half (assuming 1/2 && 1/2 godfather/framer). Odds are really really low here. No sir.
2) DON'T LYNCH RemedySC.
Not too much to say here. His posts feel pretty townie, and I just get a general town feel over him. His play is similar to his town meta, and I really really take him to be town.
3) LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF SONIC DEATH MONKEY
Oh boy this is tough for me to handle. But odds are against him. I've realized that everybody's reason for finding him townie are not so good. He took his stance on kush immediately after Stutters wrote his own destructive case on kush. He then called out a bunch of scum slips, and insisted that kush gets lynched. So, that would have been a good move for scum, going ahead and bussing his fellow player kush, who was basically beyond salvation at that point.
So that's not enough to clear him of being a bussing scum badass.
- Firstly, on debears last efforts against SDM. He made some great points, reading back on them. It doesn't make much sense for either scum or townie to fuck up and not give the lynching vote. This means he probably just went retard, whatever his alignment, Thankfully, it has given us enough time to consider our possibities and took us out of a possible mylo situation. Given the heat of the moment, I don't think this was intentional.
Anyways, his points on how SDM has some posts which feign contribution are really interesting.
SDM is also always calling people out, and always saying "reading through some filters". I've ignored this all game long, but in this last day, this fact has stood out to me. Today for me, as townie, is my last day on this fine earth. What do I go and do? Read the filters extensively and be all worried and shit. Yet he simply disappears. Says he's gonna go strong into some filters, only to post the garbage he's been posting lately. No sir, no sir at all. Seems like someone who's comfortable, who's just gonna go and hide behind the comfort I've given him by constantly denying him any suspicion.
I also really like debear's point on how kush talked differently to him. Everyone else he OMGUSed to death, but not SDM. Very weird.
- He also shows a clear tendency to not jump in straight away into a wagon. It seems to me like the clear tendency scum have to defend townies and such. This happened twice, both in my case against debears, and in my case agaisnt Alsn. SDM, while talking about some of the things he likes about the case, he immediately also says something saying he doesn't really buy it. Here is the post on my first debears case and then on my Alsn case. Note how difficult it is for him to simply jump in. In the debears case, it was understandable, as he was supposedly pushing kush. However, why on the alsn case? The way I worded my case makes it very clear that Alsn was being inconsistent on kush, and that was what my entire post was about. What the hell does he mean by "not agreeing with some of the things there"?
Of course, this was his scummy impulse of not trying to drawn suspicion. Later, he even confirms that he didn't actually have a well-thought out suspicion: Confirmation
- On kush, he called like three scumslips. This second is the second #big scumslip he has made. After these first two, he goes ahead and writes how kush is going full apeshit and tells kush to actually read if he's town. Later, points out another scumslip when kush says "to teach town a lesson". I mean, these last two are really not necessarily scumslips. SDM, however, oddly feels convinced enough.
- Debears point on his "overconfidence" is also pretty good. SDM in XXVII clearly lacked confidence. He's saying "tending to be overconfident" just as if he didn't already know what the result of the lynch would have been. He noted that he displayed a lot of confidence during he lynch.
- He makes his only noteworthy case against Omniscious, and sticks to it. SDM was clearly around in the thread, and only unvoted Omni when there was little time left. His non-voting was just a wasted opportunity. He also left this unexplained. He simply left, and much later said that it was because he was confused or whatever.
- He also has A LOT of posts that seem like he is scumhunting. "I urge you to answer my post", "Why have you gone AWOL", etc.
It's really hard to find anything in SDM's filter because he seems to take a lot of care to not appear inconsistent or wishy-washy. My opinion is that he's playing a hell of a game as scum. I'd choose him over shady for these reasons, especially the one that corrosion's posts are unlikely to come from a scummy mindset.
SDM actually did bus his only active partner day one. Observe, however, how his case on kush is 50 minutes away from stutter's case, so it wasn't an all-out bus. The timing of his case he must have felt that kush had no salvation, and was the correct thing to do as scum, and what has helped him survive this long.
If you read through SDM's filter with this in mind, you feel the contrary from what you do when you read RSC's filter, for example, where RSC's cases and posts feel a lot more genuine and townie than SDM.
Also, observe his cool reaction in this last day. THis is a huge HUGE giveaway. He says he's taking a look at some filters, and with 40 min before the deadline, he hasn't made any conclusions or whatever. He's not really scared of death, and probably feels like he has this game won. This is what I wanted to see when I kept insisting he was not scum. More or less confirmed my suspicions.
Lynch SDM.
game's on me
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I've gone through Shady's and Remedy's filters. When it comes to Remedy, most of my scum cases are pretty loosely based on him not making many cases, sheeping and being generally pretty lurky. His play seems to match what I know from his XXVII town meta, although I'd say he's been playing more pro-town in this game (probably just a natural progression and doesn't necessarily have to indicate much). It's a facade behind which it's pretty easy to hide as scum, but if so it still seems like he's played it out really well.
However, I don't feel like Shady's story adds up. We all know Shady's entrance to the thread, jumping the Alsn bandwagon, so I'm not going to get into that. In itself it's not necessarily scummy because he was new to the game, but it's the start.
D3 it continues. He makes a short and weak case for voting on Debears, who seems to be the guy everyone's going to wagon:
On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
I questioned him about this earlier without a response (read it):
On October 04 2012 22:16 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Just went through the Shady part of the filter... not a lot of posts but the ones there are certainly aren't convincing. On October 02 2012 16:21 Shady Sands wrote:
I'm still not sold on Debears yet. Every time people push him as a lynch and everyone just nods along and agrees (this is based on a cursory ready through 30+ pages of filter late at night, so pardon me if I'm totally wrong about this), I get a wierd feeling in the pit of my stomach. Why? Because scum is already down one, there is almost zero chance they'd accede easily to a second consecutive bus. So if everyone is nodding along on Debears, and scum isn't going to roll over and bus again, then, WIFOM as this reasoning is, it doesn't seem reasonable that Debears should be scum.
How do you choose Debears over Alsn because everyone "nods along" to his case? Where did you get the impression anyone was oppose the Alsn wagon? On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
I mean like... what? The lack of resistance for the Debears wagon was the only reason you didn't like it? And instead choose the Alsn wagon which had just as little resistance? Nothing else, other than that he hasn't "adequately responded" to his earlier case. Not even mentioning which part of the case you think makes Debears suspicious. Not only do your weak reasoning make you suspicious of Debears, it makes you certain he is scum?
Instead of replying to my questions, he later pops into the thread with a FOS on Boson. Completely out of the blue and without explaining why he dropped his certain scum read that was Debears:
On October 05 2012 14:19 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +By the way, I'm reading through the thread. Right now, my top scumread, believe it or not, is Z-Boson. His interaction with Kush D1 was just... strange (it almost feels like half of the discussion there was occurring somewhere else, like in the Scum QT), his unvote of Debears and transfer to Alsn is also wierd, and finally his constant fingerpointing without any commitment D3 fits the profile of being the very last scum trying to stay alive and set up mislynch chains over the next few cycles.
##FoS Z-Boson
So, after being accused for scummy sheeping he ignores the questions and decides to make an original case. Note how he later uses this case to argue that it's not something scum would do. This is BS, after people putting focus on others than Debears (mainly Omni and himself) and him taking heat for sheeping, it's what he had to do in order to try to stay off the radar. He simply couldn't sheep anymore.
(The case in itself is decent but if you just look at the d2 voting and the posts around it, it becomes pretty clear Boson wasn't the one nudging the decision towards Alsn. And it would have to be one hell of an elaborate plot which in itself is unlikely)
On n3 he remains suspicious of Boson and when Debears posts his "scum slip trap", Shady reacts like this:
On October 06 2012 08:22 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 08:10 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote:Oh lol. Thought there was. Anyways, forgot about this one. From my POV n1, me and DP were the most likely hit targets. This is me trying to bait it towards me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=445&topic_id=370487It makes more sense than for scum to have shot DP twice. Scum prob thought the medic was saving me. My view on Djodref's claim is, unless we get to mylo where things get nasty, we should encounter it as legit. Shady Sands, in my eyes, is the only one who has a fair chance of being scum. We lynch debears, we lynch SS, we should be fine. Please don't be retarded and still find me scum after this. DP had a town meta read on me, and he's played in all my games. Much more trustworthy than a debears "lololol scum ZB posts in red!1" one. Now that the pressure is off, read my filter carefully and try to think why in the godamn hell would I take so muhc trouble to switch between townies, when it's 100 times easier (and safer) for me to stick with one. Also read my cases and tell me how in a million years they can even be compared to the ones on debears. Also, my claim makes a lot of sense. It's why I've been more aggressive and confident this game. There's this one other post I recall where I stated I had my own reasons for going after debears, but I can't find it, don't remember what to control+F and I don't think it's worth the trouble. My original plan was to claim having been shot n1 and using that as an argument to go full throttle against debears, whom I've been tunneling during day 1, but then I had decided this was a pretty bad argument and would lose my ticket to not being nk (I was thinking that there could be SK). Anyways, we should be good now. If debears or shady sands is medic, claim and seal the game 100%. Otherwise, just stick with debears and we should be fine. Why would you say you were vote switching among townies when you think I'm certain scum or shady is? Definite scumslip ##vote z-boson Wait, I didn't see this coming in. Wow. Yeah, everyone who is still on the fence about ZB: READ THE ABOVE TEXT PLEASE
So when Debears makes this argument, Shady buys it. I don't see how a townie would buy this silly argument from what he earlier considered clear scum and now seemingly is his #2 suspect + Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 13:44 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 13:43 Djodref wrote:
Also SDM was pretty sure that Omni was the last mafia at this time. Which is why he didn't want to risk another mislynch I guess.
I would be so happy if debears is the last maf ^^ I've been tunneling him so hard...
@Shady
Forget Z-Boson for a while. What do you think of debears to be the last scum ? If Z-Boson flips town, then Debears is probably the last scum.
On October 06 2012 09:06 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Think for a second here, Debears. I've been pushing for a Z-Boson lynch since before anyone even brought him up as a candidate. I've been trying to lynch him for an entire votecycle. Ergo, isn't it completely logical for me to support arguments from other townies that support a ZB lynch?
No, it's really not. Nothing makes me more paranoid than when people nods along with an argument I make that I later realize is stupid. Particularly when it comes from someone you've been suspicious of all game.
Also, Shady is referring to Debears as one of the "other townies". Has he really gone to be that confident Boson is scum? Despite the case's flaws having been pointed out? Despite the roleclaim? And Djo getting NKd is all that is needed for him to 100% clear Boson and make Debears his #1 suspect? It doesn't add up.
This is just completely wrong and probably just a way to try to brush off his mistake. If you look up the thread he's linking to, you can see that Ange brings down Zorkmid because he makes an "if-I-was-town" argument, which is obviously scummy because a townie would not have to put himself in an "if-I-was-town" hypothetical. What Boson said is nothing like that.
And then there's this, replying to Djo after he's dead using silly arguments seemingly designed to wash himself clean:
On October 07 2012 05:30 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 22:29 Djodref wrote:And now here is my analysis of Shady's filter ! His actions pretty much speak for themselves  Please notice first how Corrosion's leaves the thread with a no-lynch vote. I think this move was advised by the mafia coach to let all options open for the replacement when he comes into the thread. So let's look at Shady's first real post. My comments are in red bold font in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 16:21 Shady Sands wrote:So at this point I have a moderate scum read on Alsn and strong town read on Darthpunk. Picks up Alsn as a target while distancing himself from the lynchI'm still not sold on Debears yet. Every time people push him as a lynch and everyone just nods along and agrees (this is based on a cursory ready through 30+ pages of filter late at night, so pardon me if I'm totally wrong about this), I get a wierd feeling in the pit of my stomach. Why? Because scum is already down one, there is almost zero chance they'd accede easily to a second consecutive bus. So if everyone is nodding along on Debears, and scum isn't going to roll over and bus again, then, WIFOM as this reasoning is, it doesn't seem reasonable that Debears should be scum. Alsn, however, feels scummy to me. Why? - First, his activity and "choppiness" is way higher than in the last newbie game I played with him, where he flipped town. That game, I was scum, and I whacked him N1 because his analysis was so dead-on, accurate, and well-composed--we actually placed killing him at a higher priority than trying to snipe our top cop read. I don't get that feeling with Alsn this game. Alsn's analysis has been much, much weaker than I usually give him credit for. But overall, meta is a weak way to read a player. Much stronger...
- ...is his reasoning regarding the Kush switch. He was one of the last to go to Kush and tried to appear as reluctant and thoughtful as possible. He also tried to subtly denigrate the worth of a Kush flip
First, I'd like to start things with stating so far D1 has pretty much lived up to my exact nightmare scenario that I speculated about when arguing with DP yesterday. Everyone is voting kush with only very little discussion about any other topic(mainly, the debears-boson exchange).
While we might just think he was being reluctant, part of me thinks Alsn posted like this because it was the only way out of a bad situation. Alsn went to sleep at 03:50, when no one had voted anyone yet. Then wakes up 14 hours and several pages later with a massive wagon forming on scum Kush. At this point, if Alsn was scum, he'd be stuck in a terrible spot: he needs to somehow look like he's been convinced into voting Kush. So he does do this, with a pretty WIFOM starting post that gets pressured and then gives him the ladder he needs to climb down to a kush vote. All in all a pretty neat play... but one that feels just a little too much like play-acting rather than genuine scumhunting for me to like it.
- Contrast his reads on Kush with his posts on Debears. Before he switches to Kush, he says he did soul searching and hard thinking and found no one as a better lynch. Then all of a sudden, on D2, when there's a fresh slate to push a new lynch, he starts using Debears' D1 posts as evidence that points to scumminess. This is wierd. Why didn't Alsn publish this beforehand? There is no motivation for a town Alsn to change his mind on cut and dry evidence in this fashion.
- Finally, and this is pure speculation unless a medic/JK comes out and claims an action on DP, the fact that there is no NK might mean that medic/JK saved the obvious confirmed townie (DP) and scum tried to kill him. This is wierd play if scum knows it's likely DP was going to be saved. This means something that DP did during night spooked scum. DP accused Alsn during the night.
The points add nothing new. He is clearly sheeping right now (as a lot of us did). I'm quite sure he did pick Alsn over Debears because he was afraid of Alsn potential in the future of the game.All four points are not damning guilt in and of themselves. But combined, they point a pretty compelling picture of a scum Alsn. Right now he's my strongest read and as such ##Vote AlsnHowever, he's only a moderate scumread. Depending on what happens between now and when I check in the thread in about 16 or 17 hours, I might change my mind. Distancing himself and disappear And comes back just to vote on debears with this post Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
Heading out for the night. If I don't make it back by daypost, cop please check omni or remedy and remember it is possible GF is last mafia. That's all, glhf. First of all, he doesn't give any kind of reasonable explanations for his vote. He is just sheeping on our previous cases on him which he was not buying yet, as he stated on his previous post. Plus, I'm sure now that I've found a serious scumslip in this post. I've checked all filters carefully and the few mentions of a cop role that I saw were referring to the game where DarthPunk was cop. Before him, nobody has ever mentioned nor imagined the possibility of a cop. At this time, he is the only one with me who know that we are playing a cop setup because he is the Godfather ! Please also notice how he wants me to check Omni or Remedy rather than Debears. He knows that Debears is town and doesn't want the cop to defend him the following day. Unfortunately, things don't go according to his plan during D3. Except me, nobody wants to lynch Debears anymore. And the focus is starting to get very close to him again (Omni and SS were the candidates for the second edition for the battle for the noose which never happened). He decided to confuse everybody by doing this Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 14:19 Shady Sands wrote:
By the way, I'm reading through the thread. Right now, my top scumread, believe it or not, is Z-Boson. His interaction with Kush D1 was just... strange (it almost feels like half of the discussion there was occurring somewhere else, like in the Scum QT), his unvote of Debears and transfer to Alsn is also wierd, and finally his constant fingerpointing without any commitment D3 fits the profile of being the very last scum trying to stay alive and set up mislynch chains over the next few cycles.
##FoS Z-Boson I fall into his evil trap and town goes scatter. We need two consecutive blue claims to avoid a mislynch, SDM brain has exploded, Z-Boson is super angry. Debears and me are running in circles. But now it is the end, the last scum is going to fall. So, Shady, how about you concede ? Obviously since you're dead I can't really respond to you. First, I assumed the existence of a cop because I thought the N1 kill was stopped by a medic or JK. In all the newbie games I played in the past, every time there was a medic/jk, there was either a cop or mason(s) to go along with it. Second, how is me accusing Z-Boson in any way helpful to me surviving as the last scum? Think about it for a second: as the last scum, I want to be as non-controversial yet active as possible. Me accusing Z-Bo and then going AFK means that I accomplish neither. Why wouldn't I just lurk quietly or try and agree with everyone else on the popular lynch candidate (debears?) Moreover, if I was scum, and I was trying to mislynch Z-Bo, I should have started backing off as soon as you were wagoning me because then it would quickly become apparent I led a mislynch. But I haven't done any of this. Instead, I've stuck with a highly controversial scumread at the cost of what (little) towncred I had entering the game. Does this fit with what the last scum would do? Addressed earlier.Third: If I am GF, then why would I kill you? You wouldn't be able to check me, you'd be as useless as a hanging paperweight in that instance. Why wouldn't I kill someone who is held up as a confirmed townie, like Stutters, instead of you, who is on several lynch lists anyhow? That's BS, you can't leave a confirmed townie in the game for LYLO, you had to kill him.Fourth: now that you're dead I'm going to do a 180 on the Z-Bo case. I am not the medic, and I doubt a medic exists in this game. If there was a medic you'd be the obvious save and you wouldn't be dead. Hence Z-Bo's vet claim makes sense (notwithstanding him talking about how likely it was that there was a medic). Ergo, if Z-Bo is vet then the last scum is probably between me and debears. "Come hell and high water I'm not going to change my vote!", unless of course there's no medic and Djo gets killed (he already acknowledged he thinks a medic is unlikely when addressing Darth getting NK). This is just keeping up the Boson case charade that he never really believed in.Fifth: why Debears? The guy has been trying to agree with people without pushing substantial independent cases for two complete cycles now. First he wagons Alsn (admittedly, all of us did), then he pushes lists of candidates which have little analysis tied to any one suspect, then flip flops between me and Z-Bo in accusing each other with a weak "fakeclaim scumslip trap" which ironically is a pretty good piece of evidence against Z-Bo. Again, indirectly using the Boson case to show how Debears is much more scummy than him.Fifth: so now I'm going to urge everyone to consolidate on either me or debears to figure this out. If this means I have to vote for myself to get a lynch as opposed to a no-lynch, then so be it. But for now, I'm going to ##Vote debearssince I think he's still a lot scummier than I am.
So my SS lean is definitely stronger. At this point I doubt Remedy being the final scum, but I'd still like to go through Remedy's filter more carefully and I haven't looked into Corrosion's part of the filter yet.
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Shady, don't form opinions and ignore the "town cred" he got from bussing his teammate, and see if his filter looks like someone who is taking lot's of care as to not appear inconsistent and clear on his reads. Make the assumption that he is scum and see if his filter makes sense.
If that doesn't work, listen to RSC. Ultimately he should decide whether it's you or SDM who will be lynched.
Anyways, leaving now. GG guys, hope I'm right about this, and hope you reach the same disturbing conclusion.
See you all in 48+ hours :D
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Looks like we aren't friends any more SDM 
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Trololol, I'm sorry not to put up a fight to make it interesting, but I claim framer.
I fucked up badly d3 and I think the only part in your analysis which is wrong is me being confident I was going to win :p
GG town and great work Debears, you are indeed a hero for saving town. I found it weird Boson didn't pay much attention to your case because it was fucking great, but it seems he did. And a well played to you too, Boson.
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I've kind of messed up some schoolwork because of this game, otherwise I would've played it out anyways. I don't see how I could possibly from here.
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