EPTOn October 08 2012 09:45 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Jesus, read my filter. The second post of mine is arguing why I think Omni is more suspicious, not proclaiming you as town. I also said we needed to focus on others because we had been discussing you for a week.
I never did, because when Shady stumbles into the thread with all kind of messy posts, I got more suspicious of him.
I also had to make up my mind on Boson because the final Shady case made kind of some kind of sense (so i checked the d2 voting and after that considered it weak). Djo came off as weird as well d3, I didn't know what to make of him jumping on the Shady's silly ideas instantly. And he was being quite insistant on his town read on Omni eventhough I found that case really good (finally giving in and voting on him because it'd make him post better). I didn't know what to make of that and closer to EOD I checked Djo's filter as suggested by Boson. This is where my focus was. When it all finally blew up with the cop claim, I had put no focus on you whatsoever and was quite happy to make sure my #1 scum read would get killed off. If he didn't flip red we'd still be in a good d4 situation where we actually could think things over instead of having a repeat of the Drazak fuck up.
And I addressed this in my last post, I just didn't spell it all out in detail because it's all in my fucking filter that you've supposedly read.
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On October 08 2012 09:00 debears wrote:
First, SDM
SDM, you suddenly found me to be a townie after d2's lynch. Let me go back and examine why.
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Then, your next post that talks about me more than one line.
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Ok let's summarize your reasons for me seeming town.
1) I was aggressive d1
2) Scum doesn't hang on that long faced with pages of accusation
Two pretty piss poor reasons to view me as town, especially when you say that I definitely have my scummy looking inconsistencies.
Also, based on your argument earlier, right now I am town. I am being extremely aggressive and active. I have the spotlight. And I am hanging on and contributing what I can before I get lynched while looking scummy. Contradiction no?
Here is the main thing that showed me that SDM is scum. The rest of the my original case is stuff I found looking back hard at his filter.
The Lynch or Lack Thereof
The events leading up to the lynch are a major scumslip in my book on SDM, He shriveled up into an indecisive shell at last moment. Yet, he wanted it that way.
. However, when it comes to the situation he wants, a last minute switch, he refuses to lynch me to gain information based on the sudden vote changes, which could immensely help the town.
1) It clears the confusion over me being scum or town
2) It gives a better indication of who is scum based on the reaction to the sudden voteswing.
Look hard at this post. Look really hard. He knows his biggest scum read is going to get modkilled at this point, yet his still wants to vote for him. He says he doesn't know on Shady. And finally, HE HASN"T GIVEN LYNCHING ME MUCH THOUGHT AFTER I WAS A HEADLINE ALL GAME IN THE SCUMREADS UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH????
That is bs. Total bs. He is definitely lying there.
Alright. Let's summarize his lynch thoughts
1) Indecisive
2) Wants a No lynch
3) Becomes extremely confused
4) Disappears right after his WTF post
Now, let's look at townie and mafia motivations
1) Town - He is actually confused. He believes that SS and Me might be town. He believes that Omni may still pop up.
Problems with this thought - We all said we would be willing to switch back to Omni if he suddenly showed up to avoid modkill. But btw SS and me, town has to lynch one of us! SS might be town or might be scum. Either way, we need to clarify his alignment. The same is for me (from your guy's angle since you think I'm scum, I am town). SDM knows this. By taking out one of us, it would have led to more information for town at a stage where we can afford a mislynch. I needed 1 more vote for a lynch. Yet, SDM sits there, suddenly becoming the most indecisive player in the world despite what appeared to be a very good game in which everyone saw him as town.
2) Mafia - By keeping, SS and me(especially me) around, a mafia has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion it will create for town. He can get away with nks that will easily be blamed on me and SS until our alignments are cleared up. He can act on the confusion in the thread and hide behind not forcing a vote (despite the fact that he stated earlier that he wanted a last minute vote situation).
Finally,
@SDM
WHY DID YOU NOT GO OVER MY FILTER AT ALL DURING ALL OF DAY 3 WHEN YOU SAID MY ACTIONS WERE SCUMMY AND I WAS THE OTHER MAIN LYNCH CANDIDATE?
WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ME RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH, THEN DISAPPEAR AFTER A MOVE THAT WOULD BE STUPID FOR A TOWNIE TO MAKE? WHY WAS YOUR VOTE PARKED ON OMNISCIENT WHO WE KNEW WOULD GET MODKILLED?
Remember, Z-Bo, SS, and RSC, mafia make mistakes too. I feel that this was a HUGE scumslip by SDM. Look at his rebuttal post. HE DOES NOT MENTION THE MAIN POINT OF MY ARGUMENT AGAINST HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE IS SCUM AND HE KNOWS I'M RIGHT. HE HAS NO DEFENSE.
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I have made big cases on every single person in this game besides Lesrah and RSC. I have not shared most of them with you guys. Why? Because I only present ones that make the most sense to me.
OUT OF ALL MY CASES THIS GAME, THIS ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
First, SDM
SDM, you suddenly found me to be a townie after d2's lynch. Let me go back and examine why.
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On October 03 2012 01:34 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
About the Debears case: My argument for wanting to lynch Alsn instead of Debears is that between the two of them, I think Debears' motivations are less clearly scummy.
While I feel like Debears has been acting like I would expect scum to act in a lot of the situations he’s been in, that doesn't make his motivations exclusively scummy. As an example, I've found Debears smoothly jumping Kush's wagon to be suspcious, but reading Debears' filter I don't end up convinced that's the case. For this to be suspicious, it requires the assumption that he had dropped his initial suspicions. Looking back at his posts around that time, I don't think that's clear:
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I'm pretty sure I've made similar arguments myself, that we gain more information by focusing on multiple suspects.
The same can be said for him dropping his suspicion on Djo. Throwing out light suspcicions early on in order to get things started isn't really anti-town. Looking back at his original case, he doesn't seem to push it that hard and honestly I don't find the inconsistency of dropping it as weird as a lot of others seem to:
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Basically I think a lot Debears actions look scummy, but it's not farfetched to see various possible motivations in them. You can argue for a convergence of evidence type case, that when a lot of weaker evidence is pointing in the same direction, there’s often something to it. I think that’s a valid argument and barring scum slips like Kush’s that’s often how scum is found, but I don't think Debears’ story is as incoherent as Alsn’s. I think both have perfectly reasonable “scum stories”, but I find Debears' "town explanations" more believable.
If I look at Debears’ story, I can see reasonable explanations for his actions. If I look at Alsn’s story, I just don’t see how I’d ever reach his conclusions. He’s defending Kush with arguments I find weird and I think those can easily be the result of artificially searching them (scum) rather than just naturally reacting (town). Alsn is also more clearly contradicting himself in my opinion. Particularly the part where, despite his introduction post d1, he’s still not liking a Kush lynch on d2 (aka Act IV).
About the Debears case: My argument for wanting to lynch Alsn instead of Debears is that between the two of them, I think Debears' motivations are less clearly scummy.
While I feel like Debears has been acting like I would expect scum to act in a lot of the situations he’s been in, that doesn't make his motivations exclusively scummy. As an example, I've found Debears smoothly jumping Kush's wagon to be suspcious, but reading Debears' filter I don't end up convinced that's the case. For this to be suspicious, it requires the assumption that he had dropped his initial suspicions. Looking back at his posts around that time, I don't think that's clear:
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On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG".
Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come.
Anyhow. I see two others who have suspiciously posted.
Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG".
Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come.
Anyhow. I see two others who have suspiciously posted.
I'm pretty sure I've made similar arguments myself, that we gain more information by focusing on multiple suspects.
The same can be said for him dropping his suspicion on Djo. Throwing out light suspcicions early on in order to get things started isn't really anti-town. Looking back at his original case, he doesn't seem to push it that hard and honestly I don't find the inconsistency of dropping it as weird as a lot of others seem to:
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On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
@Djoref
Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob.
By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help.
After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative.
Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much.
Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post.
Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us.
Next post
A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush.
Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this.
Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times.
@Djoref
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On September 28 2012 08:51 Djodref wrote:
@Darthpunk
Nevermind you look just more confident to get a scum on D1 than me.
Regarding my plan, I think we need general directions to follow because of the majority lynch.
It is a way to gather everybody around 2-3 suspicious players and secure a lynch. I'm assuming everyone agree on a no-lynch to be stupid.
@Darthpunk
Nevermind you look just more confident to get a scum on D1 than me.
Regarding my plan, I think we need general directions to follow because of the majority lynch.
It is a way to gather everybody around 2-3 suspicious players and secure a lynch. I'm assuming everyone agree on a no-lynch to be stupid.
Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob.
By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help.
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On September 28 2012 08:44 Djodref wrote:
@Darthpunk
Considering that we are likely to lynch a town on D1, don't you think it's a lesser wrong to get rid of someone inactive ?
Inactivity means no scumhunt and room to hide for the mafia...
@Darthpunk
Considering that we are likely to lynch a town on D1, don't you think it's a lesser wrong to get rid of someone inactive ?
Inactivity means no scumhunt and room to hide for the mafia...
After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative.
Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much.
Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post.
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On September 28 2012 08:36 Djodref wrote:
Hello everybody !
About me
This is my first game ever on forum but I've been playing on SC2mafia and also irl. But I've been lurking on the TL Mafia forum for a while (so I know your meta kush^^) and I decided to join this newbie game.
I'm also a French guy and I live in Korea so my english is not on top and it's going to ne difficult for me to be around at deadline (5.00 am KST).
Lurker policy
From the games I've seen, unless you have a golden scumslip on d1, it's very difficult to lynch a scum the very first day.
So I have no problem ending up voting for the most suspicious lurker at the end of the day. I define most suspicious lurker as a semi-lurker just trying to blend in.
Day Plan
I don't think to be able to be around for the first deadline so I would like to propose a day plan to secure a lynch as we are using a majority vote. First 24 hours to find lynch candidates while scumhunting and next 20 hours to decide who is the scummiest. Last 4 hours to consolidate the vote or switch to a lurker.
Please discuss
Hello everybody !
About me
This is my first game ever on forum but I've been playing on SC2mafia and also irl. But I've been lurking on the TL Mafia forum for a while (so I know your meta kush^^) and I decided to join this newbie game.
I'm also a French guy and I live in Korea so my english is not on top and it's going to ne difficult for me to be around at deadline (5.00 am KST).
Lurker policy
From the games I've seen, unless you have a golden scumslip on d1, it's very difficult to lynch a scum the very first day.
So I have no problem ending up voting for the most suspicious lurker at the end of the day. I define most suspicious lurker as a semi-lurker just trying to blend in.
Day Plan
I don't think to be able to be around for the first deadline so I would like to propose a day plan to secure a lynch as we are using a majority vote. First 24 hours to find lynch candidates while scumhunting and next 20 hours to decide who is the scummiest. Last 4 hours to consolidate the vote or switch to a lurker.
Please discuss
Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us.
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On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
@Kush
Was it also a joke ?
How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ?
@Kush
thank you now I won't be nk
Was it also a joke ?
How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ?
A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush.
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On September 28 2012 11:53 Djodref wrote:
I would also like to hear you explanations about this specific part. I don't have a read on Darth on the moment considering he has only been hard tunneling you. As you said yourself you have a scummy meta so you are an easy target for early game to put pressure on.
So what makes him so much town ?
On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Because the most active townie is tunneling me?
Because the most active townie is tunneling me?
I would also like to hear you explanations about this specific part. I don't have a read on Darth on the moment considering he has only been hard tunneling you. As you said yourself you have a scummy meta so you are an easy target for early game to put pressure on.
So what makes him so much town ?
Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this.
Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times.
Basically I think a lot Debears actions look scummy, but it's not farfetched to see various possible motivations in them. You can argue for a convergence of evidence type case, that when a lot of weaker evidence is pointing in the same direction, there’s often something to it. I think that’s a valid argument and barring scum slips like Kush’s that’s often how scum is found, but I don't think Debears’ story is as incoherent as Alsn’s. I think both have perfectly reasonable “scum stories”, but I find Debears' "town explanations" more believable.
If I look at Debears’ story, I can see reasonable explanations for his actions. If I look at Alsn’s story, I just don’t see how I’d ever reach his conclusions. He’s defending Kush with arguments I find weird and I think those can easily be the result of artificially searching them (scum) rather than just naturally reacting (town). Alsn is also more clearly contradicting himself in my opinion. Particularly the part where, despite his introduction post d1, he’s still not liking a Kush lynch on d2 (aka Act IV).
Then, your next post that talks about me more than one line.
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On October 03 2012 20:43 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I don't know what to make of Debears post-d2 posts because it's putting me in total WIFOM mode and I should probably just ignore it.
But disregarding his last posts which obviously could be the result of leveling, is his case stronger than the one I just made? Maybe it's the excitement of novelty, but really? At least I'd say Debears play has been way more pro-town. He has his scummy-looking inconsistneies for sure, but at the same time he was aggressive d1. He tried making cases, get the thread started. He took attention because he was willing to, compare that to Omni who's just cruising by. At least I encourage you to pop out of the Debears bubble we've all been in to look at it.
Also, to Debears benefit, does scum really hang on this long when faced by pages and pages of accusations? I know I gave in quickly in XXVI because it seemed pointless. And look at Kush's reaction. That's the only examples I have myself from experience, maybe Debears is different. And maybe you can question if a townie would hang in this long. At least Alsn did.
I don't know what to make of Debears post-d2 posts because it's putting me in total WIFOM mode and I should probably just ignore it.
But disregarding his last posts which obviously could be the result of leveling, is his case stronger than the one I just made? Maybe it's the excitement of novelty, but really? At least I'd say Debears play has been way more pro-town. He has his scummy-looking inconsistneies for sure, but at the same time he was aggressive d1. He tried making cases, get the thread started. He took attention because he was willing to, compare that to Omni who's just cruising by. At least I encourage you to pop out of the Debears bubble we've all been in to look at it.
Also, to Debears benefit, does scum really hang on this long when faced by pages and pages of accusations? I know I gave in quickly in XXVI because it seemed pointless. And look at Kush's reaction. That's the only examples I have myself from experience, maybe Debears is different. And maybe you can question if a townie would hang in this long. At least Alsn did.
Ok let's summarize your reasons for me seeming town.
1) I was aggressive d1
2) Scum doesn't hang on that long faced with pages of accusation
Two pretty piss poor reasons to view me as town, especially when you say that I definitely have my scummy looking inconsistencies.
Also, based on your argument earlier, right now I am town. I am being extremely aggressive and active. I have the spotlight. And I am hanging on and contributing what I can before I get lynched while looking scummy. Contradiction no?
Here is the main thing that showed me that SDM is scum. The rest of the my original case is stuff I found looking back hard at his filter.
The Lynch or Lack Thereof
The events leading up to the lynch are a major scumslip in my book on SDM, He shriveled up into an indecisive shell at last moment. Yet, he wanted it that way.
On October 02 2012 19:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I'm leaning Alsn and I'm hoping to have time to explain why with a good amount of time to the lynch.
I agree about the consolidating, but I don't think we're in a hurry. With an early concensus it's easier for scum to blend in, whereas if we wait they'll potentially face the pressure of a bus or save situation (or wait until the last minute to make a decision, which is scummy looking).
On October 02 2012 18:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. We need to consolidate on Either Alsn or Debears. I am happy with either. Would mildly prefer a debears lynch. But I think both are scummy as shit.
So. Who are we going to Consolidate onto? Z- Boson? SDM? thoughts?
Also. We need to consolidate on Either Alsn or Debears. I am happy with either. Would mildly prefer a debears lynch. But I think both are scummy as shit.
So. Who are we going to Consolidate onto? Z- Boson? SDM? thoughts?
I'm leaning Alsn and I'm hoping to have time to explain why with a good amount of time to the lynch.
I agree about the consolidating, but I don't think we're in a hurry. With an early concensus it's easier for scum to blend in, whereas if we wait they'll potentially face the pressure of a bus or save situation (or wait until the last minute to make a decision, which is scummy looking).
. However, when it comes to the situation he wants, a last minute switch, he refuses to lynch me to gain information based on the sudden vote changes, which could immensely help the town.
1) It clears the confusion over me being scum or town
2) It gives a better indication of who is scum based on the reaction to the sudden voteswing.
On October 06 2012 04:22 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
How many are still around? And wtf happened to Boson? He dropped a huge ass case and then poof.
Still nothing on who we should lynch. Just asking if people are around.
My biggest scum read is set up for a modkill. Shady just got peeked and I wasn't entirely convinced before hand either. Next on my list would be Debears but I haven't given him much thought today until all this happened. Wasn't convinced about the Boson case and my state of mind isn't optimal for great decision making right now. I wouldn't mind a no lynch.
How many are still around? And wtf happened to Boson? He dropped a huge ass case and then poof.
Still nothing on who we should lynch. Just asking if people are around.
On October 06 2012 04:16 RemedySC wrote:
Well Z-bo or Debears would probably give us the most information, since Omni is likely to be modkilled.
What do you think SDM?
Well Z-bo or Debears would probably give us the most information, since Omni is likely to be modkilled.
What do you think SDM?
My biggest scum read is set up for a modkill. Shady just got peeked and I wasn't entirely convinced before hand either. Next on my list would be Debears but I haven't given him much thought today until all this happened. Wasn't convinced about the Boson case and my state of mind isn't optimal for great decision making right now. I wouldn't mind a no lynch.
Look hard at this post. Look really hard. He knows his biggest scum read is going to get modkilled at this point, yet his still wants to vote for him. He says he doesn't know on Shady. And finally, HE HASN"T GIVEN LYNCHING ME MUCH THOUGHT AFTER I WAS A HEADLINE ALL GAME IN THE SCUMREADS UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH????
That is bs. Total bs. He is definitely lying there.
Alright. Let's summarize his lynch thoughts
1) Indecisive
2) Wants a No lynch
3) Becomes extremely confused
4) Disappears right after his WTF post
Now, let's look at townie and mafia motivations
1) Town - He is actually confused. He believes that SS and Me might be town. He believes that Omni may still pop up.
Problems with this thought - We all said we would be willing to switch back to Omni if he suddenly showed up to avoid modkill. But btw SS and me, town has to lynch one of us! SS might be town or might be scum. Either way, we need to clarify his alignment. The same is for me (from your guy's angle since you think I'm scum, I am town). SDM knows this. By taking out one of us, it would have led to more information for town at a stage where we can afford a mislynch. I needed 1 more vote for a lynch. Yet, SDM sits there, suddenly becoming the most indecisive player in the world despite what appeared to be a very good game in which everyone saw him as town.
2) Mafia - By keeping, SS and me(especially me) around, a mafia has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion it will create for town. He can get away with nks that will easily be blamed on me and SS until our alignments are cleared up. He can act on the confusion in the thread and hide behind not forcing a vote (despite the fact that he stated earlier that he wanted a last minute vote situation).
Finally,
@SDM
WHY DID YOU NOT GO OVER MY FILTER AT ALL DURING ALL OF DAY 3 WHEN YOU SAID MY ACTIONS WERE SCUMMY AND I WAS THE OTHER MAIN LYNCH CANDIDATE?
WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ME RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH, THEN DISAPPEAR AFTER A MOVE THAT WOULD BE STUPID FOR A TOWNIE TO MAKE? WHY WAS YOUR VOTE PARKED ON OMNISCIENT WHO WE KNEW WOULD GET MODKILLED?
Remember, Z-Bo, SS, and RSC, mafia make mistakes too. I feel that this was a HUGE scumslip by SDM. Look at his rebuttal post. HE DOES NOT MENTION THE MAIN POINT OF MY ARGUMENT AGAINST HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE IS SCUM AND HE KNOWS I'M RIGHT. HE HAS NO DEFENSE.
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On October 08 2012 04:23 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I'm up to date again.
Seriously Debears, wtf? Your case reeks of desperation.
I don't get how on earth you end up getting me associated with Kush. It seems to me Kush was less inflammatory against people not cursing at him or telling him he was scum in bolded, red versals. That might have something to do with it, I don’t know. What a weird argument coming from someone who tried to avoid pushing Kush despite him looking scummy as hell.
Overconfidence: I'm not sure you understood what made me suspicious of you in XXVII. XXVII stuff in here:
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Time and indecision: Shady's post on Boson pissed me off at first because he had been dodging my questions for a long while. I responded barely reading his case because given the quality of his earlier cases I was sure it was complete crap. When Shady started replying I realized I had to go back to understand wtf he was talking about, as anyone can see my attempts in replying to him were just messed up at first.
Open-ended answers: Seriosuly, what kind of argument is this? In the first bolded part it's clear I think (based on my experience) it's less likely for scum to hang on for this long. But since my experience is limited to two games I was looking for opinions from others as well. The second bolded part, I just don't think the argument they were making held much weight and it made sense to point that out.
Contributions: I thought Djo came off scummy d1/n1 and I pointed it out. In the end I thought Boson's cases made more sense. Considering the validity of other cases kind of seemed to be a good idea. And I don't get why you'd say my Omni case wasn't original or at least added a lot of weight to it with new argumetns. About Alsn, wtf? My arguments against him wasn't based on him pointing out that focusing on others would be good for town, but that he was directly defending him (read my post again) using weird arguments. I by no means "cleared" you because you suggested focusing on others, but at least it could have town motivations.
Indecisive again: I was being indecisive here for sure. How on earth wouldn't I be? If you go read my d3 filter I basically never considered you for lynch d3. I was highly suspicious of Omni and Djo, quite suspicious of Shady and had moments of doubts wrt Boson. In the end Omni was likely to head for modkill, Djo just claimed cop, Shady had been peeked and I decided the Boson case was weak. All of a sudden all my d3 considerations had gone out the window. And at this point you expect me to me mr decisive? Last time I pushed a last minute switch I hadn't thought over I caused the mislynch of Drazak. When i got back all hell had broken loose. The only thing I had time to react to was that Boson had seemingly become a lynching target and claimed vet. Lynching him made no sense at all.
And somewhere you also argue that my recent absence from the thread is somehow scummy? Gah, how is all this not just an act of desperation?
##Vote Debears
I'm up to date again.
Seriously Debears, wtf? Your case reeks of desperation.
I don't get how on earth you end up getting me associated with Kush. It seems to me Kush was less inflammatory against people not cursing at him or telling him he was scum in bolded, red versals. That might have something to do with it, I don’t know. What a weird argument coming from someone who tried to avoid pushing Kush despite him looking scummy as hell.
Overconfidence: I'm not sure you understood what made me suspicious of you in XXVII. XXVII stuff in here:
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One part was because you made a lengthy defense of thrawn for no real reason. I think this was the legit part. The other part was something I still think was a genuine misunderstanding (thrawn's intentions), which was why I thought the case was made weaker. My #1 scum read d1 was Sharrant. I really liked that case and it had 2-3 good motivations behind it. After I was killed off n1 I just followed the game in the Obs QT. On d2 I was confident Stutters was scum. On d3 I was confident Atreides was scum. So basically all my 3 strongest reads in XXVII turned out wrong. You couldn't know this because you were still in the game so I'll give you a pass on this one, but this is all in the XXVII Obs QT.
Time and indecision: Shady's post on Boson pissed me off at first because he had been dodging my questions for a long while. I responded barely reading his case because given the quality of his earlier cases I was sure it was complete crap. When Shady started replying I realized I had to go back to understand wtf he was talking about, as anyone can see my attempts in replying to him were just messed up at first.
Open-ended answers: Seriosuly, what kind of argument is this? In the first bolded part it's clear I think (based on my experience) it's less likely for scum to hang on for this long. But since my experience is limited to two games I was looking for opinions from others as well. The second bolded part, I just don't think the argument they were making held much weight and it made sense to point that out.
Contributions: I thought Djo came off scummy d1/n1 and I pointed it out. In the end I thought Boson's cases made more sense. Considering the validity of other cases kind of seemed to be a good idea. And I don't get why you'd say my Omni case wasn't original or at least added a lot of weight to it with new argumetns. About Alsn, wtf? My arguments against him wasn't based on him pointing out that focusing on others would be good for town, but that he was directly defending him (read my post again) using weird arguments. I by no means "cleared" you because you suggested focusing on others, but at least it could have town motivations.
Indecisive again: I was being indecisive here for sure. How on earth wouldn't I be? If you go read my d3 filter I basically never considered you for lynch d3. I was highly suspicious of Omni and Djo, quite suspicious of Shady and had moments of doubts wrt Boson. In the end Omni was likely to head for modkill, Djo just claimed cop, Shady had been peeked and I decided the Boson case was weak. All of a sudden all my d3 considerations had gone out the window. And at this point you expect me to me mr decisive? Last time I pushed a last minute switch I hadn't thought over I caused the mislynch of Drazak. When i got back all hell had broken loose. The only thing I had time to react to was that Boson had seemingly become a lynching target and claimed vet. Lynching him made no sense at all.
And somewhere you also argue that my recent absence from the thread is somehow scummy? Gah, how is all this not just an act of desperation?
##Vote Debears
I have made big cases on every single person in this game besides Lesrah and RSC. I have not shared most of them with you guys. Why? Because I only present ones that make the most sense to me.
OUT OF ALL MY CASES THIS GAME, THIS ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
Jesus, read my filter. The second post of mine is arguing why I think Omni is more suspicious, not proclaiming you as town. I also said we needed to focus on others because we had been discussing you for a week.
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On October 04 2012 20:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
We've been discussing the Debears case for almost a week now, it's about time we focus on others. I'll get back with thoughts when we're getting closer to EOD.
We've been discussing the Debears case for almost a week now, it's about time we focus on others. I'll get back with thoughts when we're getting closer to EOD.
I never did, because when Shady stumbles into the thread with all kind of messy posts, I got more suspicious of him.
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On October 05 2012 20:44 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Besides I'm more suspicious of this Shady guy than I am of Debears atm.
Besides I'm more suspicious of this Shady guy than I am of Debears atm.
I also had to make up my mind on Boson because the final Shady case made kind of some kind of sense (so i checked the d2 voting and after that considered it weak). Djo came off as weird as well d3, I didn't know what to make of him jumping on the Shady's silly ideas instantly. And he was being quite insistant on his town read on Omni eventhough I found that case really good (finally giving in and voting on him because it'd make him post better). I didn't know what to make of that and closer to EOD I checked Djo's filter as suggested by Boson. This is where my focus was. When it all finally blew up with the cop claim, I had put no focus on you whatsoever and was quite happy to make sure my #1 scum read would get killed off. If he didn't flip red we'd still be in a good d4 situation where we actually could think things over instead of having a repeat of the Drazak fuck up.
And I addressed this in my last post, I just didn't spell it all out in detail because it's all in my fucking filter that you've supposedly read.
This is a bs excuse. You thought my actions were scummy, yet you never in d3 looked at my filter? What kind of scumhunting is that? The only reason i don't check someones filter at least once a cycle is if i am pretty sure they are town.
Why in the hell would you not check my filter if you are town, if you found me scummy, and if you are actually scumhunting.
Hell even when i had a town read on you i checked your filter from this game and other games.
You're argument makes no sense from a townies perspective. You're no lynch makes no sense from a townie perspective.
