EPTthought you were going for RSC
nice. Just give up bro
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Z-BosoN
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thought you were going for RSC nice. Just give up bro | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Can we make a bet? If i flip scum, you can name what you want from me. If i flip town, you auto lynch sdm | ||
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thrawn2112
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Z-BosoN
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For him to be scum it's like, shit, it was a daring and fucking risky plan. Taking the time to bus kush even when DP had dropped his Vote on him. Being the only person to not jump in on this garbage wagon against me, he could have easily made a case on me. Effectively making decent cases against omni and SS. His not voting on you was completely fucking weird. He was in fact around, and pretty much suggested a null lynch. If he was scum he could have easily, EASILY lynched you. His not voting on you has actually given us another day to vote. If you had died, being town, we would have been in a nasty mylo situation, which is quite lovely for scum. He could then easily push a lynch on SS and won. He would have to be REAL FUCKING ballsy to actually do this. You, however, have been doing exactly as scum would.You can't realistically survive based on SS alone, and need to spread confusion on more confirmed players. You tried going for me, then you quickly realized your "slip" was so fucking bad that you quickly tried sending it off as a "trap". Then you caught SS in your "trap" but, as scum, you can't actually survive on his lynch alone. Hell, I even sniped you predicting this. You said earlier you had a town read on me for my meta reads. Then you post a meta read that says I'm scum. Then you jump on this garbage wagon on me that makes 0 sense at all. The golden opportunity for scum. So, what's more likely - SDM being a mastermind of effectively promoting the bus of kush, not putting town in a mylo situation, not jumping on the garbage wagon against me and fooling me, DP, and rest of town until day 3? Or you, a top scum read since day one, with full cases against you, sheeping off of reads since day 1 jumping on my wagon, and right now behaving exactly as scum would? You are getting lynched. No questions asked. It's not saying "you are so wrong about this" or "let's bet" or not giving up when you are clearly gonna get lynched that's gonna save you. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 07 2012 18:33 Shady Sands wrote: If you RC and let us know there is no medic, it helps town play immensely... for example, Djo claimed cop thinking there was a medic to save him. He died for it. There being a medic does not make my claim fake. Medic could have saved DP AND I got shot. There not being a medic makes my claim 100% legitimate. If I claim, that does not mean there can't be a medic. Djo wisely claimed because he was getting lynched. Massive shoutout to him, he played the game well, especially for his first time. I've had a town read on him during most of the game and ended up voting for him due to my frustration and confusion, forgetting the reasons why I thought him to be town. So yea, me claiming earlier on just made me more likely to get nked, and would also tell scum there is no medic. If I wasn't forced to claim he'd actually be alive, because scum would think there is a medic for sure. See what I mean why my claim was fucking stupid? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Seriously Debears, wtf? Your case reeks of desperation. I don't get how on earth you end up getting me associated with Kush. It seems to me Kush was less inflammatory against people not cursing at him or telling him he was scum in bolded, red versals. That might have something to do with it, I don’t know. What a weird argument coming from someone who tried to avoid pushing Kush despite him looking scummy as hell. Overconfidence: I'm not sure you understood what made me suspicious of you in XXVII. XXVII stuff in here: + Show Spoiler + One part was because you made a lengthy defense of thrawn for no real reason. I think this was the legit part. The other part was something I still think was a genuine misunderstanding (thrawn's intentions), which was why I thought the case was made weaker. My #1 scum read d1 was Sharrant. I really liked that case and it had 2-3 good motivations behind it. After I was killed off n1 I just followed the game in the Obs QT. On d2 I was confident Stutters was scum. On d3 I was confident Atreides was scum. So basically all my 3 strongest reads in XXVII turned out wrong. You couldn't know this because you were still in the game so I'll give you a pass on this one, but this is all in the XXVII Obs QT. Time and indecision: Shady's post on Boson pissed me off at first because he had been dodging my questions for a long while. I responded barely reading his case because given the quality of his earlier cases I was sure it was complete crap. When Shady started replying I realized I had to go back to understand wtf he was talking about, as anyone can see my attempts in replying to him were just messed up at first. Open-ended answers: Seriosuly, what kind of argument is this? In the first bolded part it's clear I think (based on my experience) it's less likely for scum to hang on for this long. But since my experience is limited to two games I was looking for opinions from others as well. The second bolded part, I just don't think the argument they were making held much weight and it made sense to point that out. Contributions: I thought Djo came off scummy d1/n1 and I pointed it out. In the end I thought Boson's cases made more sense. Considering the validity of other cases kind of seemed to be a good idea. And I don't get why you'd say my Omni case wasn't original or at least added a lot of weight to it with new argumetns. About Alsn, wtf? My arguments against him wasn't based on him pointing out that focusing on others would be good for town, but that he was directly defending him (read my post again) using weird arguments. I by no means "cleared" you because you suggested focusing on others, but at least it could have town motivations. Indecisive again: I was being indecisive here for sure. How on earth wouldn't I be? If you go read my d3 filter I basically never considered you for lynch d3. I was highly suspicious of Omni and Djo, quite suspicious of Shady and had moments of doubts wrt Boson. In the end Omni was likely to head for modkill, Djo just claimed cop, Shady had been peeked and I decided the Boson case was weak. All of a sudden all my d3 considerations had gone out the window. And at this point you expect me to me mr decisive? Last time I pushed a last minute switch I hadn't thought over I caused the mislynch of Drazak. When i got back all hell had broken loose. The only thing I had time to react to was that Boson had seemingly become a lynching target and claimed vet. Lynching him made no sense at all. And somewhere you also argue that my recent absence from the thread is somehow scummy? Gah, how is all this not just an act of desperation? ##Vote Debears | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Besides, did you even read my case on Sdm? I've already conceded that i will be lynched. At the point that i realized your vet claim seemed confirmed, i decided to do something stupid so that i would get decisively lynched, whicj would be the best move for town, not counting an sdm lynch. Sdms bus on kush wouldn't be a mastermind play. It would be a smart play. Kush was under immense pressure, regardless of dps vote withdrawal. Eith lesrah not showing up, the smart play would be to gain town cred while not starting the bus. By the point that stutters voted, it was pretty certain that kush would be lynched | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
The only correct thing there is the assumption you are getting lynched. What, you want me to switch just because you pulled a "I acknowledge I'm getting lynched, but I nevertheless I want to sacrifice myself and make sure SDM dies after me?" I'm doing exactly what you said. Lynching you. Then if by some miracle you aren't scum I'll reevaluate and think outside the box for my last remaining night. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Sonic Death Monkey
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 08 2012 04:52 Z-BosoN wrote: I read your bullet points and found they were pretty weak, but of course, I'm under the bias you are scum. The only correct thing there is the assumption you are getting lynched. What, you want me to switch just because you pulled a "I acknowledge I'm getting lynched, but I nevertheless I want to sacrifice myself and make sure SDM dies after me?" I'm doing exactly what you said. Lynching you. Then if by some miracle you aren't scum I'll reevaluate and think outside the box for my last remaining night. This is all i ask from you z-bo. Make sure i get lynched. Vote me. Until i get lynched, work under the assumption that I'm town. In other words, i am confirmed town until i am lynched. If i am mafia, what i say wont matter since itll be end of game if I'm town, it gives us another opinion. So reread my sdm case under the assumption I'm townie before u get rushed. Ill post some more thoughts here soon once i get back to my computer | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. debears (4) - Shady Sands, RemedySC, Z-Boson, Sonic Death Monkey Sonic Death Monkey (1) - debears Not Voting (0) - With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Currently, debears is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 20 hours 15 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
SDM, you suddenly found me to be a townie after d2's lynch. Let me go back and examine why. + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 01:34 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: About the Debears case: My argument for wanting to lynch Alsn instead of Debears is that between the two of them, I think Debears' motivations are less clearly scummy. While I feel like Debears has been acting like I would expect scum to act in a lot of the situations he’s been in, that doesn't make his motivations exclusively scummy. As an example, I've found Debears smoothly jumping Kush's wagon to be suspcious, but reading Debears' filter I don't end up convinced that's the case. For this to be suspicious, it requires the assumption that he had dropped his initial suspicions. Looking back at his posts around that time, I don't think that's clear: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote: Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG". Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come. Anyhow. I see two others who have suspiciously posted. I'm pretty sure I've made similar arguments myself, that we gain more information by focusing on multiple suspects. The same can be said for him dropping his suspicion on Djo. Throwing out light suspcicions early on in order to get things started isn't really anti-town. Looking back at his original case, he doesn't seem to push it that hard and honestly I don't find the inconsistency of dropping it as weird as a lot of others seem to: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote: @Djoref Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob. By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help. After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative. Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much. Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post. Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us. Next post A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. Basically I think a lot Debears actions look scummy, but it's not farfetched to see various possible motivations in them. You can argue for a convergence of evidence type case, that when a lot of weaker evidence is pointing in the same direction, there’s often something to it. I think that’s a valid argument and barring scum slips like Kush’s that’s often how scum is found, but I don't think Debears’ story is as incoherent as Alsn’s. I think both have perfectly reasonable “scum stories”, but I find Debears' "town explanations" more believable. If I look at Debears’ story, I can see reasonable explanations for his actions. If I look at Alsn’s story, I just don’t see how I’d ever reach his conclusions. He’s defending Kush with arguments I find weird and I think those can easily be the result of artificially searching them (scum) rather than just naturally reacting (town). Alsn is also more clearly contradicting himself in my opinion. Particularly the part where, despite his introduction post d1, he’s still not liking a Kush lynch on d2 (aka Act IV). Then, your next post that talks about me more than one line. + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 20:43 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I don't know what to make of Debears post-d2 posts because it's putting me in total WIFOM mode and I should probably just ignore it. But disregarding his last posts which obviously could be the result of leveling, is his case stronger than the one I just made? Maybe it's the excitement of novelty, but really? At least I'd say Debears play has been way more pro-town. He has his scummy-looking inconsistneies for sure, but at the same time he was aggressive d1. He tried making cases, get the thread started. He took attention because he was willing to, compare that to Omni who's just cruising by. At least I encourage you to pop out of the Debears bubble we've all been in to look at it. Also, to Debears benefit, does scum really hang on this long when faced by pages and pages of accusations? I know I gave in quickly in XXVI because it seemed pointless. And look at Kush's reaction. That's the only examples I have myself from experience, maybe Debears is different. And maybe you can question if a townie would hang in this long. At least Alsn did. Ok let's summarize your reasons for me seeming town. 1) I was aggressive d1 2) Scum doesn't hang on that long faced with pages of accusation Two pretty piss poor reasons to view me as town, especially when you say that I definitely have my scummy looking inconsistencies. Also, based on your argument earlier, right now I am town. I am being extremely aggressive and active. I have the spotlight. And I am hanging on and contributing what I can before I get lynched while looking scummy. Contradiction no? Here is the main thing that showed me that SDM is scum. The rest of the my original case is stuff I found looking back hard at his filter. The Lynch or Lack Thereof The events leading up to the lynch are a major scumslip in my book on SDM, He shriveled up into an indecisive shell at last moment. Yet, he wanted it that way. . However, when it comes to the situation he wants, a last minute switch, he refuses to lynch me to gain information based on the sudden vote changes, which could immensely help the town. 1) It clears the confusion over me being scum or town 2) It gives a better indication of who is scum based on the reaction to the sudden voteswing. Look hard at this post. Look really hard. He knows his biggest scum read is going to get modkilled at this point, yet his still wants to vote for him. He says he doesn't know on Shady. And finally, HE HASN"T GIVEN LYNCHING ME MUCH THOUGHT AFTER I WAS A HEADLINE ALL GAME IN THE SCUMREADS UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH???? That is bs. Total bs. He is definitely lying there. Alright. Let's summarize his lynch thoughts 1) Indecisive 2) Wants a No lynch 3) Becomes extremely confused 4) Disappears right after his WTF post Now, let's look at townie and mafia motivations 1) Town - He is actually confused. He believes that SS and Me might be town. He believes that Omni may still pop up. Problems with this thought - We all said we would be willing to switch back to Omni if he suddenly showed up to avoid modkill. But btw SS and me, town has to lynch one of us! SS might be town or might be scum. Either way, we need to clarify his alignment. The same is for me (from your guy's angle since you think I'm scum, I am town). SDM knows this. By taking out one of us, it would have led to more information for town at a stage where we can afford a mislynch. I needed 1 more vote for a lynch. Yet, SDM sits there, suddenly becoming the most indecisive player in the world despite what appeared to be a very good game in which everyone saw him as town. 2) Mafia - By keeping, SS and me(especially me) around, a mafia has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion it will create for town. He can get away with nks that will easily be blamed on me and SS until our alignments are cleared up. He can act on the confusion in the thread and hide behind not forcing a vote (despite the fact that he stated earlier that he wanted a last minute vote situation). Finally, @SDM WHY DID YOU NOT GO OVER MY FILTER AT ALL DURING ALL OF DAY 3 WHEN YOU SAID MY ACTIONS WERE SCUMMY AND I WAS THE OTHER MAIN LYNCH CANDIDATE? WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ME RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH, THEN DISAPPEAR AFTER A MOVE THAT WOULD BE STUPID FOR A TOWNIE TO MAKE? WHY WAS YOUR VOTE PARKED ON OMNISCIENT WHO WE KNEW WOULD GET MODKILLED? Remember, Z-Bo, SS, and RSC, mafia make mistakes too. I feel that this was a HUGE scumslip by SDM. Look at his rebuttal post. HE DOES NOT MENTION THE MAIN POINT OF MY ARGUMENT AGAINST HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE IS SCUM AND HE KNOWS I'M RIGHT. HE HAS NO DEFENSE. + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2012 04:23 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I'm up to date again. Seriously Debears, wtf? Your case reeks of desperation. I don't get how on earth you end up getting me associated with Kush. It seems to me Kush was less inflammatory against people not cursing at him or telling him he was scum in bolded, red versals. That might have something to do with it, I don’t know. What a weird argument coming from someone who tried to avoid pushing Kush despite him looking scummy as hell. Overconfidence: I'm not sure you understood what made me suspicious of you in XXVII. XXVII stuff in here: + Show Spoiler + One part was because you made a lengthy defense of thrawn for no real reason. I think this was the legit part. The other part was something I still think was a genuine misunderstanding (thrawn's intentions), which was why I thought the case was made weaker. My #1 scum read d1 was Sharrant. I really liked that case and it had 2-3 good motivations behind it. After I was killed off n1 I just followed the game in the Obs QT. On d2 I was confident Stutters was scum. On d3 I was confident Atreides was scum. So basically all my 3 strongest reads in XXVII turned out wrong. You couldn't know this because you were still in the game so I'll give you a pass on this one, but this is all in the XXVII Obs QT. Time and indecision: Shady's post on Boson pissed me off at first because he had been dodging my questions for a long while. I responded barely reading his case because given the quality of his earlier cases I was sure it was complete crap. When Shady started replying I realized I had to go back to understand wtf he was talking about, as anyone can see my attempts in replying to him were just messed up at first. Open-ended answers: Seriosuly, what kind of argument is this? In the first bolded part it's clear I think (based on my experience) it's less likely for scum to hang on for this long. But since my experience is limited to two games I was looking for opinions from others as well. The second bolded part, I just don't think the argument they were making held much weight and it made sense to point that out. Contributions: I thought Djo came off scummy d1/n1 and I pointed it out. In the end I thought Boson's cases made more sense. Considering the validity of other cases kind of seemed to be a good idea. And I don't get why you'd say my Omni case wasn't original or at least added a lot of weight to it with new argumetns. About Alsn, wtf? My arguments against him wasn't based on him pointing out that focusing on others would be good for town, but that he was directly defending him (read my post again) using weird arguments. I by no means "cleared" you because you suggested focusing on others, but at least it could have town motivations. Indecisive again: I was being indecisive here for sure. How on earth wouldn't I be? If you go read my d3 filter I basically never considered you for lynch d3. I was highly suspicious of Omni and Djo, quite suspicious of Shady and had moments of doubts wrt Boson. In the end Omni was likely to head for modkill, Djo just claimed cop, Shady had been peeked and I decided the Boson case was weak. All of a sudden all my d3 considerations had gone out the window. And at this point you expect me to me mr decisive? Last time I pushed a last minute switch I hadn't thought over I caused the mislynch of Drazak. When i got back all hell had broken loose. The only thing I had time to react to was that Boson had seemingly become a lynching target and claimed vet. Lynching him made no sense at all. And somewhere you also argue that my recent absence from the thread is somehow scummy? Gah, how is all this not just an act of desperation? ##Vote Debears I have made big cases on every single person in this game besides Lesrah and RSC. I have not shared most of them with you guys. Why? Because I only present ones that make the most sense to me. OUT OF ALL MY CASES THIS GAME, THIS ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Steaming off a bit I have no idea what your town motivations would be, Debears. How did you switch so fast between SS being scum and onto me? Your case against starts with you saying both of us are likely scum and somehow ends with you being willing to bet anything on me being scum. It makes no sense unless it's a scum desperation move. That's a lie. Let me quote the beginning of my case against you. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2012 16:23 debears wrote: Aright guys, I'm gonna put something new into the thread. Considering that Djo and Z-Bo are pretty much confirmed at this point, I was wondering why we are having so much trouble this game with finding the last mafia. My conclusions: The last mafia is playing a hell of a game. Looking at this, I've been wondering who is capable of this. At this point, I'd see Z-Bo, SDM, and SS. Z-Bo is confirmed. SS has said some scummy things and is at threat of being lynched. However, one person has managed to avoid the spotlight throughout the whole game. He has not had anyone actually attack (besides Z-Bo day 1, but that was an argument over the validity of my defense of SDM early). That person is SDM. Recently, his refusal to vote me in the lynch set off some alarms in my head. I've looked through his filter and found some things that don't make townie sense. In no way do I say Z-Bo is likely scum. I say he is confirmed town. YOU ARE LYING | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 08 2012 09:00 debears wrote: First, SDM SDM, you suddenly found me to be a townie after d2's lynch. Let me go back and examine why. + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 01:34 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: About the Debears case: My argument for wanting to lynch Alsn instead of Debears is that between the two of them, I think Debears' motivations are less clearly scummy. While I feel like Debears has been acting like I would expect scum to act in a lot of the situations he’s been in, that doesn't make his motivations exclusively scummy. As an example, I've found Debears smoothly jumping Kush's wagon to be suspcious, but reading Debears' filter I don't end up convinced that's the case. For this to be suspicious, it requires the assumption that he had dropped his initial suspicions. Looking back at his posts around that time, I don't think that's clear: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote: Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG". Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come. Anyhow. I see two others who have suspiciously posted. I'm pretty sure I've made similar arguments myself, that we gain more information by focusing on multiple suspects. The same can be said for him dropping his suspicion on Djo. Throwing out light suspcicions early on in order to get things started isn't really anti-town. Looking back at his original case, he doesn't seem to push it that hard and honestly I don't find the inconsistency of dropping it as weird as a lot of others seem to: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote: @Djoref Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob. By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help. After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative. Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much. Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post. Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us. Next post A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. Basically I think a lot Debears actions look scummy, but it's not farfetched to see various possible motivations in them. You can argue for a convergence of evidence type case, that when a lot of weaker evidence is pointing in the same direction, there’s often something to it. I think that’s a valid argument and barring scum slips like Kush’s that’s often how scum is found, but I don't think Debears’ story is as incoherent as Alsn’s. I think both have perfectly reasonable “scum stories”, but I find Debears' "town explanations" more believable. If I look at Debears’ story, I can see reasonable explanations for his actions. If I look at Alsn’s story, I just don’t see how I’d ever reach his conclusions. He’s defending Kush with arguments I find weird and I think those can easily be the result of artificially searching them (scum) rather than just naturally reacting (town). Alsn is also more clearly contradicting himself in my opinion. Particularly the part where, despite his introduction post d1, he’s still not liking a Kush lynch on d2 (aka Act IV). Then, your next post that talks about me more than one line. + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 20:43 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I don't know what to make of Debears post-d2 posts because it's putting me in total WIFOM mode and I should probably just ignore it. But disregarding his last posts which obviously could be the result of leveling, is his case stronger than the one I just made? Maybe it's the excitement of novelty, but really? At least I'd say Debears play has been way more pro-town. He has his scummy-looking inconsistneies for sure, but at the same time he was aggressive d1. He tried making cases, get the thread started. He took attention because he was willing to, compare that to Omni who's just cruising by. At least I encourage you to pop out of the Debears bubble we've all been in to look at it. Also, to Debears benefit, does scum really hang on this long when faced by pages and pages of accusations? I know I gave in quickly in XXVI because it seemed pointless. And look at Kush's reaction. That's the only examples I have myself from experience, maybe Debears is different. And maybe you can question if a townie would hang in this long. At least Alsn did. Ok let's summarize your reasons for me seeming town. 1) I was aggressive d1 2) Scum doesn't hang on that long faced with pages of accusation Two pretty piss poor reasons to view me as town, especially when you say that I definitely have my scummy looking inconsistencies. Also, based on your argument earlier, right now I am town. I am being extremely aggressive and active. I have the spotlight. And I am hanging on and contributing what I can before I get lynched while looking scummy. Contradiction no? Here is the main thing that showed me that SDM is scum. The rest of the my original case is stuff I found looking back hard at his filter. Finally, @SDM WHY DID YOU NOT GO OVER MY FILTER AT ALL DURING ALL OF DAY 3 WHEN YOU SAID MY ACTIONS WERE SCUMMY AND I WAS THE OTHER MAIN LYNCH CANDIDATE? WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ME RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH, THEN DISAPPEAR AFTER A MOVE THAT WOULD BE STUPID FOR A TOWNIE TO MAKE? WHY WAS YOUR VOTE PARKED ON OMNISCIENT WHO WE KNEW WOULD GET MODKILLED? Remember, Z-Bo, SS, and RSC, mafia make mistakes too. I feel that this was a HUGE scumslip by SDM. Look at his rebuttal post. HE DOES NOT MENTION THE MAIN POINT OF MY ARGUMENT AGAINST HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE IS SCUM AND HE KNOWS I'M RIGHT. HE HAS NO DEFENSE. + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2012 04:23 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I'm up to date again. Seriously Debears, wtf? Your case reeks of desperation. I don't get how on earth you end up getting me associated with Kush. It seems to me Kush was less inflammatory against people not cursing at him or telling him he was scum in bolded, red versals. That might have something to do with it, I don’t know. What a weird argument coming from someone who tried to avoid pushing Kush despite him looking scummy as hell. Overconfidence: I'm not sure you understood what made me suspicious of you in XXVII. XXVII stuff in here: + Show Spoiler + One part was because you made a lengthy defense of thrawn for no real reason. I think this was the legit part. The other part was something I still think was a genuine misunderstanding (thrawn's intentions), which was why I thought the case was made weaker. My #1 scum read d1 was Sharrant. I really liked that case and it had 2-3 good motivations behind it. After I was killed off n1 I just followed the game in the Obs QT. On d2 I was confident Stutters was scum. On d3 I was confident Atreides was scum. So basically all my 3 strongest reads in XXVII turned out wrong. You couldn't know this because you were still in the game so I'll give you a pass on this one, but this is all in the XXVII Obs QT. Time and indecision: Shady's post on Boson pissed me off at first because he had been dodging my questions for a long while. I responded barely reading his case because given the quality of his earlier cases I was sure it was complete crap. When Shady started replying I realized I had to go back to understand wtf he was talking about, as anyone can see my attempts in replying to him were just messed up at first. Open-ended answers: Seriosuly, what kind of argument is this? In the first bolded part it's clear I think (based on my experience) it's less likely for scum to hang on for this long. But since my experience is limited to two games I was looking for opinions from others as well. The second bolded part, I just don't think the argument they were making held much weight and it made sense to point that out. Contributions: I thought Djo came off scummy d1/n1 and I pointed it out. In the end I thought Boson's cases made more sense. Considering the validity of other cases kind of seemed to be a good idea. And I don't get why you'd say my Omni case wasn't original or at least added a lot of weight to it with new argumetns. About Alsn, wtf? My arguments against him wasn't based on him pointing out that focusing on others would be good for town, but that he was directly defending him (read my post again) using weird arguments. I by no means "cleared" you because you suggested focusing on others, but at least it could have town motivations. Indecisive again: I was being indecisive here for sure. How on earth wouldn't I be? If you go read my d3 filter I basically never considered you for lynch d3. I was highly suspicious of Omni and Djo, quite suspicious of Shady and had moments of doubts wrt Boson. In the end Omni was likely to head for modkill, Djo just claimed cop, Shady had been peeked and I decided the Boson case was weak. All of a sudden all my d3 considerations had gone out the window. And at this point you expect me to me mr decisive? Last time I pushed a last minute switch I hadn't thought over I caused the mislynch of Drazak. When i got back all hell had broken loose. The only thing I had time to react to was that Boson had seemingly become a lynching target and claimed vet. Lynching him made no sense at all. And somewhere you also argue that my recent absence from the thread is somehow scummy? Gah, how is all this not just an act of desperation? ##Vote Debears I have made big cases on every single person in this game besides Lesrah and RSC. I have not shared most of them with you guys. Why? Because I only present ones that make the most sense to me. OUT OF ALL MY CASES THIS GAME, THIS ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE. Jesus, read my filter. The second post of mine is arguing why I think Omni is more suspicious, not proclaiming you as town. I also said we needed to focus on others because we had been discussing you for a week. On October 04 2012 20:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: We've been discussing the Debears case for almost a week now, it's about time we focus on others. I'll get back with thoughts when we're getting closer to EOD. I never did, because when Shady stumbles into the thread with all kind of messy posts, I got more suspicious of him. On October 05 2012 20:44 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Besides I'm more suspicious of this Shady guy than I am of Debears atm. I also had to make up my mind on Boson because the final Shady case made kind of some kind of sense (so i checked the d2 voting and after that considered it weak). Djo came off as weird as well d3, I didn't know what to make of him jumping on the Shady's silly ideas instantly. And he was being quite insistant on his town read on Omni eventhough I found that case really good (finally giving in and voting on him because it'd make him post better). I didn't know what to make of that and closer to EOD I checked Djo's filter as suggested by Boson. This is where my focus was. When it all finally blew up with the cop claim, I had put no focus on you whatsoever and was quite happy to make sure my #1 scum read would get killed off. If he didn't flip red we'd still be in a good d4 situation where we actually could think things over instead of having a repeat of the Drazak fuck up. And I addressed this in my last post, I just didn't spell it all out in detail because it's all in my fucking filter that you've supposedly read. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
You say it's bullshit, to create confusion. Why would he do that? He could have put town in mylo and easily pressed a Shady Sands lynch. I mean, real fucking easily. I even said, and was strong about this, that one of you or shady are absolute scum. Now that you are still alive, we will have one more chance, and the last thing he wants is a 3-person mylo, due to the amount of info accumulated and the difficulty it is for scum to win like that. I found the above is much more important than: By keeping, SS and me(especially me) around, a mafia has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion it will create for town. He can get away with nks that will easily be blamed on me and SS until our alignments are cleared up. He can act on the confusion in the thread and hide behind not forcing a vote (despite the fact that he stated earlier that he wanted a last minute vote situation). Also, this: Ok let's summarize your reasons for me seeming town. 1) I was aggressive d1 2) Scum doesn't hang on that long faced with pages of accusation Two pretty piss poor reasons to view me as town, especially when you say that I definitely have my scummy looking inconsistencies. Also, based on your argument earlier, right now I am town. I am being extremely aggressive and active. I have the spotlight. And I am hanging on and contributing what I can before I get lynched while looking scummy. Contradiction no? Bought you a ticket day two. Showed that you are either a) townie or b) scum that will take great effort into seeming townie. It will not be the same in day 4. I pushed alsn over you because aside from his scumminess, he was contributing almost nothing, passing off my cases as emotional and confirmation biased or whatever. If you were to be scum, it would show itself later on, granted how much you were posting. I don't need to convince you why, but in my opinion, you have already shown this. If by some ungodly chance you are indeed town, don't worry, I'll look long and hard at his filters. Up until now I haven't taken the liberty to look at his filter too harshly, because I didn't see the possibility of him being scum. I'll do this once you die, because I really don't feel like wasting my time based on a case that has a 95% chance to be bullshit from squirming scum. 1)If you are town, keep doing what you are doing until you die. 2)If you are scum, just give the fuck up. Even if you don't, you're still getting lynched, even if you acknowledge this fact and still do 1). RSC, what do you make of all this? Show your face here please. You are too fucking lurky. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 08 2012 09:04 debears wrote: As an FYI, I am done defending my actions. I will be lynched. I don't care. I'm in full attack mode. That's a lie. Let me quote the beginning of my case against you. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2012 16:23 debears wrote: Aright guys, I'm gonna put something new into the thread. Considering that Djo and Z-Bo are pretty much confirmed at this point, I was wondering why we are having so much trouble this game with finding the last mafia. My conclusions: The last mafia is playing a hell of a game. Looking at this, I've been wondering who is capable of this. At this point, I'd see Z-Bo, SDM, and SS. Z-Bo is confirmed. SS has said some scummy things and is at threat of being lynched. However, one person has managed to avoid the spotlight throughout the whole game. He has not had anyone actually attack (besides Z-Bo day 1, but that was an argument over the validity of my defense of SDM early). That person is SDM. Recently, his refusal to vote me in the lynch set off some alarms in my head. I've looked through his filter and found some things that don't make townie sense. In no way do I say Z-Bo is likely scum. I say he is confirmed town. YOU ARE LYING Where in God's name did I say you thought Boson was scummy? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On October 08 2012 09:48 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Where in God's name did I say you thought Boson was scummy? Um how about you read the quote i posted in my post in the spoiler. Its in the red. Duh | ||
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