EPTWhat will everyone think about us in 1000 years? - Page 6
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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DownOnMyNiece
Germany155 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:22 Xiphos wrote: In 1000, the US won't be the police of the world anymore though because of its current economy. Well, I assume that in 2030 the US won't be the world police anymore. In 1.000 years it will probably be ruled by the roach-people, a China-made human-roach-hybrid that has basic primate intellect, and can work 80-hour-weeks for a good 20 years without requiering medical attention. On October 22 2012 09:24 Littlemuff wrote: Well if people are able to look back at us in 1000 years I doubt they'll have any problem. That's such a good point. Lectems, clay-shards and cave paintings are far more durable than SSD-drives. Historians and archeologists will have a hell of time getting anything done in a post-digital-age. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
1) People won't believe the stuff (and the amounts) we used to eat, and the lifestyles we used to have. They'll see the early 2000s man as a fat lazy moron 2) People will wonder how we could cope with such short lives, and such a limited space to explore. 3) This will be remembered as a period of transition economically. This is the last vestige of the old system, and we're seeing the first signs of a new collaborative system, helped by the emergence of the internet. On October 22 2012 07:08 Simberto wrote: People have tendency to mostly remember wars. Thus, the best thing you can hope for is to be remembered as "then nothing really interesting happened for 200 years" Love this post. Although I think there's plenty of room for positive change to fill up future history books. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4333 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:17 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Let's have this discussion in 100 years (not 1.000) again. The Muslim world will have ceased to exist by then. There will be a more liberal, more open version of the religion, but the insane, restrictive patriarchial society that exists now in many Arabic country will be wiped from the globe. Arabic women won't take that shit forever, not with the internet being univerally accessible, the USA won't watch the discriminative culture forever and the maniacs will have killed each other. In 100 years the middle east will have run out of oil and since the majority of the nations rely totally on oil exports for income i see the people embracing extremist parties once the economy tanks. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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Soralin
United States23 Posts
One of the largest changes in technology in the past half-century or so, has been the development of computers. There's been major change in societies, communication, capabilities between a pre-computer era and today. And we're sitting right in that transitional period when they were developing. (Also, think back to 1000 years ago, you don't particularly make big distinctions between the year 950, or 1050. From the perspective of someone 1000 years from now, most of the major development of computers could fit rather well in a single conceptual span of time.) | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:59 Gnaix wrote: A Canticle for Leibowitz, by Walter M. Miller, Jr. and is considered one of the best if not the best science fiction novels, deals with this question in a quite interesting manner. Basically, it assumes that humanity is not wise enough, and quite possibly will never be wise enough to handle nuclear weapons and that the world will be devastated by them. The survivors condemn technology and destroy virtually all knowledge resulting in another dark age, but of course some knowledge is saved, hidden, and is passed down by an order started and named after a Jewish electrical engineer called Leibowitz. Of course that's just the introduction to the book, and to give more details would spoil the plot (which you can if you really want to find out on wikipedia). That book is a product of the 60's/cold war paranoia and seems pretty dated nowadays itself. Anyway most basically all religions will be non-mainstream cult things, and the idea of American exceptionalism which is popular here will be a ridiculous joke. Those seem like easy and non-reachy predictions though. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
It is interesting to consider-- if there was some kind of horrible war or disaster, it could be a coinflip as to what would be remembered. I mean, take something like the pyramids. First of all, they are very resilient to the passage of time. A digital society, like ours, can be destroyed as easily as wiping out electricity. Second, they are incredible artificial; their existence is indicative of past culture, and have inherent meaning. You take something like a hard drive, fast forward a thousand years through some dramatic change where our systems of technology are destroyed, and it is as alien as... well, an alien artifact. But let's just say there isn't a wild war or disaster. This is just really hard to imagine. Because that is dependent on knowing what will develop in the next few years, and that is just impossible. Consider someone (possibly like yourself) just 20 years ago; could you have, practically, imagined how connected you are with everyone today. When I post this, people from all over the world will instantly have ability to read what I've written, view any high quality pictures/videos I might have taken only seconds earlier, and proceed to send it to anyone they might know on the other side of the world. People can create virtual worlds that are startlingly realistic, and you can experience it on a device that you keep in your room. Just 20 years ago, that was pretty difficult to imagine. Go back a hundred, and the idea that people would travel around at 60 miles an hour to get to something as everyday as work was unthought of. It just kind of blows my mind to consider. I have no idea what might happen in the next 10 years, let alone the next 100, completely let alone the next thousand, in terms of scientific and technological advances. And that's leaving alone the idea that we would leave Earth and populate some other planet or thing. On October 22 2012 08:33 urashimakt wrote: Well, you know, there is a difference between the two scenarios. 1000 years ago the Greeks didn't have a significant knowledge of the cultures 1000 years before then. They didn't say "Oh, all those old religions are amusing myths. Alright, time for church." Now we do. Excellent point. I feel like a lot of religious belief nowadays is sort of like... religious inertia. It's gone from a spiritual to cultural to social thing. Maybe a political one as well. One thing that is for sure, if there is any religion a 1000 years from now, it will not resemble anything we have today. A lot of religion in the past was the whole "God of the Gaps" thing, where if past peoples couldn't explain something, it was god. That still happens to a point, today, especially with the cosmos and human origin. I think that religion would be more: A) Personal. Like introspection into your on consciousness; even the most zealous atheist has, or at least should, admit that there are parts of your mind that are not readily available in everyday means. There's a reason that meditation and drugs have such a draw; you can find things out about yourself or your environment that you can't otherwise. There isn't really anything supernatural about that, it's just how humans are. I'm a complete atheist and I accept this. B) Einsteinan. He used the phrase "god" to describe the world around him that he didn't understand. It was like the god of the gaps, but instead of taking ignorance for granted, he tried to find alternative means. God was just this conceptual curiosity that made the universe have such appeal. Cool thread, gotta go but I'll be back. | ||
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rrdz
United States20 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:26 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Well, I assume that in 2030 the US won't be the world police anymore. In 1.000 years it will probably be ruled by the roach-people, a China-made human-roach-hybrid that has basic primate intellect, and can work 80-hour-weeks for a good 20 years without requiering medical attention. That's such a good point. Lectems, clay-shards and cave paintings are far more durable than SSD-drives. Historians and archeologists will have a hell of time getting anything done in a post-digital-age. i laughed so hard, thank you for that | ||
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GoldforGolden
China102 Posts
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On October 22 2012 14:17 GoldforGolden wrote: let's just hope they will find us stupid and selfish. that would mean human society has improved +1 As a student of history there are no longer any ages I look over with glossy eyed stupor, every age was inefficient, stupid and seflish. Just some ages more bearable then others (Medieval ages were like studying paint drying...) This one is no different, so much waste, greed and violence. So far from an advanced civilization but at least its getting closer. | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On October 22 2012 14:17 GoldforGolden wrote: let's just hope they will find us stupid and selfish. that would mean human society has improved That would mean humans still arrogantly assume they're better than their ancestors. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
1) Religion will continue to be sidelined. I think few people would deny that the majority of the population back then was religious because a) everyone else was, and b) because you get killed if you weren't the correct religion. People above make good points about the 'God of the gaps' (wizard did it), and it was an easy way to explain things. A little wonder has gone from the world now that people put their faith in science - the average person probably doesn't understand much more about their world or the things that surround them but we're happy to assume 'them scientists' know, and that's good enough for us. 2) The countries on top now will not be on top for a millenium. People will look back and treat the notion of American exceptionalism the same way we treat Hitler's assertions his reich would last 1000 years, or the Caliphate saying it would take over the entire world, or the Romans saying their Empire would last forever. Countries on top in the year 1000 - the Fatimid dynasty (the original Caliphate having already begun disintegration), the Byzantine Empire (kinda...) and the Song dynasty in China. All gone, long gone. Now, nations existing as legal entities and being treated as semi-permanent things, and people identifying themselves more as a nationality rather than a tribal entity does change things. You are an american, I am a Brit etc instead of I am a Roman, or an Arab, or a Frank. Of course, racial identity still exists, but as time passes I think this will mean less and less as skin colour means less and less. I think many countries will continue to exists in one form or another, and the map will change less drastically. Instead of conquest we will find countries absorb each other or disintegrate as politicians put forth arguments, instead of troops annexing territory and resources. Countries and nations will appear and disappear at a slower rate than before in history. 3) On a more recent scale, and ever since the Industrial Revolution where innovation for it's own sake became something to be desired, our lives will change at a rapid pace as everyday life is shaped around us and our comforts. For centuries we obeyed the rising sun, the seasons, the paths that we trod to reach the fields or farms or factories where food and goods were made. Now we can work at any hour, remotely, conferencing with people the world away in real time, doing things unimaginable even a decade ago. The world will move more towards what is comfortable for the masses as goods are marketed towards being wanted rather than needed (bigger tv, more comfy chair, bigger portions of food etc). Honestly I think brick and mortar's days are numbered and many shops will become entirely digital - malls and shopping arcades will become vacant as more companies move towards the Amazon model - a few giant warehouses never seen far away from the people who sit at home to click a button and have it delivered. The strange model of having a mall move into the area and leech away the mom-and-pop shops of the last fifty years will end and might even see a reverse, as small 'authentic' towns are rebuilt to attract tourism, reclamation projects are started to remove many of the stores that are no longer needed. But that would only be over the next century, I have no idea what to expect beyond that. | ||
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Swazi Spring
United States415 Posts
Likely we'll be remembered for scientific advancements such spaceflight, nuclear fission, and early computers. And of course, the golden age of the American Empire. | ||
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SCRedditor
United States57 Posts
On October 21 2012 23:31 LeroyJenkem wrote: I think they will be amazed at how the people let themselves become enslaved to a society that makes them spend their entire lives working just so they can in return recieve a piece of paper that represents something that doesnt even exist. I believe 1000 years from now, a monetary society wont exist, and would be looked upon as one of mankinds worst mistakes. Worst mistake? Lol, let's see if you have a better idea. I think we will be remembered for the industrial revolution, nuclear research, and space flight. The same way we remember the first uses of cuneiform in Sumer. | ||
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Swazi Spring
United States415 Posts
On October 22 2012 06:22 Rassy wrote: In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women. So basically modern Europe? | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
http://www.ted.com/talks/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging.html | ||
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