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On October 21 2012 23:49 Chaosvuistje wrote:
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The singularity is inevitable
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Something must survive...
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On October 22 2012 02:59 Fission wrote:
Boy: "Ay pop, where dun think you went the ol' ones who builded them giant things? Timmy be say'in they flew in the sky an' had magic, but I be think'in he be ly'in like usual"
Father: "T'is true, boy. But THE LORD smited them for they arrogance and hubris, an' for they evil ways and godlessness, and burned they cities to the ground in a flash of light, and cursed the ground which'in they be build upon. But you don' be worry'in bout them. Get back to yer farm chores"
I like this lol. Hopefully we don't nuke the world to death.
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On October 22 2012 03:31 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:24 HardlyNever wrote:
What earth will look like in 1000 years I really can't imagine. There would definitely be some surprising developments, but there would definitely be some constants that are just as surprising.
The one thing that stands out in my mind currently that people 1000 years in the future will look back and /facepalm is all religious belief. Look how we (general society) view ancient religions, and amplify that by like 100. I think it will be a great shame of humanity that we let so many people be scammed and lied to about things that no one could possibly know about (higher powers, life after death, etc.). Seeing a society that has enough understanding of the universe to leave earth orbit, communicate globally at the speed of light, but still having a majority of the world population believe in ancient myths as if they were real will be pretty embarrassing, imo. I doubt we will look back 1,000 years and facepalm at religion. It's not like we look back and go "those Greeks were so stupid, I can't believe they actually believed in Zeus." We just look back at it as what ancient people did. Why should people 1,000 years in the future be more critical of past civilizations than we are today?
Well, as someone who does actually study ancient history, I do /facepalm ancient societies sometimes, lol. But it isn't simply because they do stupid things, it is that they do some things really well, then do completely stupid things beside it (for instance, ancient mathematics = pretty good, ancient medicine = completely retarded).
It is the disparity/discrepancy between knowledge on somethings and complete failure on others that seems ridiculous, to me at least, looking back 1000+ years (really, closer to 2000, though).
Again, being able to "put a man on the moon" (to use the clique) yet still a lot of people thinking that earth and humanity is the figurative center of the universe at the same time, seems ridiculous, to me as a historian.
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i dont think were going to last that long... were still 3 button presses away from a nuclear holocaust. plus any engineered virus is still a scary threat. hell the middle east is just a ticking time bomb, which has ZERO hope of ever being saved. could start ww3 etc etc.
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Two things I have to say.
1. Our most dominant society today, America, hasn't been around nearly as long as some of the other dominant ones in the past. Roman Empire existed over a millenium, and Carthage was around for 600 years. America was only around for 300 or so years, so people who cringe at the thought that any of our current societies today will be completely wiped off the map in 1000 years, I don't think its going to be that big of a deal.
2. There's a saying that technological advancements or development of any kind progresses at an accelerating rate. The development of the information age like the internet and smartphones didn't take nearly as long as the printing press, paper, and other stuff, which are nowhere near as advanced as what we have today. So in 1000 years what people will be using and consuming will be nothing we can imagine right now.
That being said, people in a thousand years from now I think will just look at us the way we're looking at our history, probably just another period of time. But I think what we got going for us is the dawn of some significant tech like the internet and the digital stuff that will serve as the basis of what will turn into something quite extroadinary.
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On October 21 2012 23:43 decaf wrote:
Any intellectual society will always look down at one that hasn't gotten rid of religion yet.
Let me defend this underelaborated statement a bit, do not mistake it for bashing, treat is as food for thought and an invitation to have counter arguments presented:
Not only do I have the same view, I also have a personal example to keep me away from even considering religion being based on any true fact, and that being sole existence of Scientology. It also craftily compares two religions 2000 years apart (fair enough, considering we're talking of 3000 year people looking at us). If I compare it's (scientology's) conception and evolution (a really interesting but obviously fictional story about Xenu etc., written by a sci-fi writer ADMITTING to wanting to make money through religion, turned into sets of ideological behaviors, mostly written down in easy to understand manner, followed by complete denial of prior existence of that exact founding story and forgetting what it was all based upon - science fiction) to Christnianity, I understand this and other religions had exact same process of evolving no matter who creates them / is the main hero / writes them down (whether it's a sci-fi writer or a bunch of educated fishermen, as we believe)
So to finish off with what people will think in 1000 years:
"Thank [whatever] that Scientology was born 1000 years ago, it gives us a purpose in life, a reason to gather up in our church, takes care of our afterlife of which we still know nothing about and makes us just feel guided and gives us a feeling that even though we have no idea why and what for we exist, there is something out there that does".
Reason I believe it will be said is because it has been repeated every 1000 years, for at least 4 millennia.
I highly doubt we'll ever get rid of religion, because as many correctly point out, it's within our nature.
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On October 22 2012 05:23 Stye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 23:43 decaf wrote:
Any intellectual society will always look down at one that hasn't gotten rid of religion yet. Let me defend this underelaborated statement a bit, do not mistake it for bashing, treat is as food for thought and an invitation to have counter arguments presented: Not only do I have the same view, I also have a personal example to keep me away from even considering religion being based on any true fact, and that being sole existence of Scientology. It also craftily compares two religions 2000 years apart (fair enough, considering we're talking of 3000 year people looking at us). If I compare it's (scientology's) conception and evolution (a really interesting but obviously fictional story about Xenu etc., written by a sci-fi writer ADMITTING to wanting to make money through religion, turned into sets of ideological behaviors, mostly written down in easy to understand manner, followed by complete denial of prior existence of that exact founding story and forgetting what it was all based upon - science fiction) to Christnianity, I understand this and other religions had exact same process of evolving no matter who creates them / is the main hero / writes them down (whether it's a sci-fi writer or a bunch of educated fishermen, as we believe) So to finish off with what people will think in 1000 years: "Thank [whatever] that Scientology was born 1000 years ago, it gives us a purpose in life, a reason to gather up in our church, takes care of our afterlife of which we still know nothing about and makes us just feel guided and gives us a feeling that even though we have no idea why and what for we exist, there is something out there that does". Reason I believe it will be said is because it has been repeated every 1000 years, for at least 4 millennia. I highly doubt we'll ever get rid of religion, because as many correctly point out, it's within our nature.
It is bashing, it was the jump-off point for much merriment about how stupid religious people are. Take that, you stupid Muslims who preserved Euclid for us! Take that, you stupid pantheist Euclid!
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On October 22 2012 05:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 05:23 Stye wrote:On October 21 2012 23:43 decaf wrote:
Any intellectual society will always look down at one that hasn't gotten rid of religion yet. Let me defend this underelaborated statement a bit, do not mistake it for bashing, treat is as food for thought and an invitation to have counter arguments presented: Not only do I have the same view, I also have a personal example to keep me away from even considering religion being based on any true fact, and that being sole existence of Scientology. It also craftily compares two religions 2000 years apart (fair enough, considering we're talking of 3000 year people looking at us). If I compare it's (scientology's) conception and evolution (a really interesting but obviously fictional story about Xenu etc., written by a sci-fi writer ADMITTING to wanting to make money through religion, turned into sets of ideological behaviors, mostly written down in easy to understand manner, followed by complete denial of prior existence of that exact founding story and forgetting what it was all based upon - science fiction) to Christnianity, I understand this and other religions had exact same process of evolving no matter who creates them / is the main hero / writes them down (whether it's a sci-fi writer or a bunch of educated fishermen, as we believe) So to finish off with what people will think in 1000 years: "Thank [whatever] that Scientology was born 1000 years ago, it gives us a purpose in life, a reason to gather up in our church, takes care of our afterlife of which we still know nothing about and makes us just feel guided and gives us a feeling that even though we have no idea why and what for we exist, there is something out there that does". Reason I believe it will be said is because it has been repeated every 1000 years, for at least 4 millennia. I highly doubt we'll ever get rid of religion, because as many correctly point out, it's within our nature. It is bashing, it was the jump-off point for much merriment about how stupid religious people are. Take that, you stupid Muslims who preserved Euclid for us! Take that, you stupid pantheist Euclid!
I never said a word about religious people and your sarcasm isn't helping ... I'd like a mature discussion with counter-arguments. Also, considering you've replied 15 seconds after I posted, it's impossible you've read the whole thing AND wrote your reply, so please... refer to my actual post (or specific points in it), and don't say sarcastic things about bashing just beacuse I asked kindly not to MISinterpret it as such.
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In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women.
Current religions will have changed enormously,and be alot smaller then today.
There will be prosperity for everyone.
People will look back on these times and think they where bad times.Times where people where extremely egocentric and only after personal gain,war hungry and short sighted.
And they will feel pitty for the misfortune so manny people have to encounter in their daily lives now.
This is my hope for the future
More specifally about the usa.
History is written by winners.
For now the usa is a winner but this wont last forever.
Then history might be written by people who are not to found of the foreign policys of the usa in the 20-21th century.
History might change drastically, it all depends on the perspective:p
Its just an cynical observation.
I do think a revolution where women would gain more power everywhere in the world might not be a bad thing, and that it might change the opinnion about the current times
People might conclude that the world was run by idiots who where at war all the time.Unable to work together and set aside old vetes.
Am not thinking specifically about different historys written by christans, jews, muslims or other religions.
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On October 22 2012 06:16 Stye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 05:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:On October 22 2012 05:23 Stye wrote:On October 21 2012 23:43 decaf wrote:
Any intellectual society will always look down at one that hasn't gotten rid of religion yet. Let me defend this underelaborated statement a bit, do not mistake it for bashing, treat is as food for thought and an invitation to have counter arguments presented: Not only do I have the same view, I also have a personal example to keep me away from even considering religion being based on any true fact, and that being sole existence of Scientology. It also craftily compares two religions 2000 years apart (fair enough, considering we're talking of 3000 year people looking at us). If I compare it's (scientology's) conception and evolution (a really interesting but obviously fictional story about Xenu etc., written by a sci-fi writer ADMITTING to wanting to make money through religion, turned into sets of ideological behaviors, mostly written down in easy to understand manner, followed by complete denial of prior existence of that exact founding story and forgetting what it was all based upon - science fiction) to Christnianity, I understand this and other religions had exact same process of evolving no matter who creates them / is the main hero / writes them down (whether it's a sci-fi writer or a bunch of educated fishermen, as we believe) So to finish off with what people will think in 1000 years: "Thank [whatever] that Scientology was born 1000 years ago, it gives us a purpose in life, a reason to gather up in our church, takes care of our afterlife of which we still know nothing about and makes us just feel guided and gives us a feeling that even though we have no idea why and what for we exist, there is something out there that does". Reason I believe it will be said is because it has been repeated every 1000 years, for at least 4 millennia. I highly doubt we'll ever get rid of religion, because as many correctly point out, it's within our nature. It is bashing, it was the jump-off point for much merriment about how stupid religious people are. Take that, you stupid Muslims who preserved Euclid for us! Take that, you stupid pantheist Euclid! I never said a word about religious people and your sarcasm isn't helping ... I'd like a mature discussion with counter-arguments. Also, considering you've replied 15 seconds after I posted, it's impossible you've read the whole thing AND wrote your reply, so please... refer to my actual post (or specific points in it), and don't say sarcastic things about bashing just beacuse I asked kindly not to MISinterpret it as such.
I disagreed with is you saying that post wasn't bashing. I would also point out that Scientology is based on the word of L. Ron Hubbard, whereas mainstream religions are usually based or buttressed on the accounts of people who claimed to have witnessed various events (like the Gospels, or Siddhartha's travels teaching the dharma). So I would say that your comparison is slightly bashy in nature, given that it shows you basically hold all religions to the same low level of respect on their legitimacy regardless of circumstances.
Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:22 Rassy wrote:In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women. Current religions will have changed enormously,and be alot smaller then today. There will be prosperity for everyone. People will look back on these times and think they where bad times.Times where people where extremely egocentric and only after personal gain,war hungry and short sighted. And they will feel pitty for the misfortune so manny people have to encounter in their daily lives now. This is my hope for the future More specifally about the usa. History is written by winners. For now the usa is a winner but this wont last forever. Then history might be written by people who are not to found of the foreign policys of the usa in the 20-21th century. History might change drastically, it all depends on the perspective:p
You better hope not, because if America isn't writing it, it sure as hell won't be Europe either. Of course, childish anti-Americanism by definition precludes caring about what kind of history the Russians or the Chinese might create, much less the kind they would write.
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On October 22 2012 05:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 05:23 Stye wrote:On October 21 2012 23:43 decaf wrote:
Any intellectual society will always look down at one that hasn't gotten rid of religion yet. Let me defend this underelaborated statement a bit, do not mistake it for bashing, treat is as food for thought and an invitation to have counter arguments presented: Not only do I have the same view, I also have a personal example to keep me away from even considering religion being based on any true fact, and that being sole existence of Scientology. It also craftily compares two religions 2000 years apart (fair enough, considering we're talking of 3000 year people looking at us). If I compare it's (scientology's) conception and evolution (a really interesting but obviously fictional story about Xenu etc., written by a sci-fi writer ADMITTING to wanting to make money through religion, turned into sets of ideological behaviors, mostly written down in easy to understand manner, followed by complete denial of prior existence of that exact founding story and forgetting what it was all based upon - science fiction) to Christnianity, I understand this and other religions had exact same process of evolving no matter who creates them / is the main hero / writes them down (whether it's a sci-fi writer or a bunch of educated fishermen, as we believe) So to finish off with what people will think in 1000 years: "Thank [whatever] that Scientology was born 1000 years ago, it gives us a purpose in life, a reason to gather up in our church, takes care of our afterlife of which we still know nothing about and makes us just feel guided and gives us a feeling that even though we have no idea why and what for we exist, there is something out there that does". Reason I believe it will be said is because it has been repeated every 1000 years, for at least 4 millennia. I highly doubt we'll ever get rid of religion, because as many correctly point out, it's within our nature. It is bashing, it was the jump-off point for much merriment about how stupid religious people are. Take that, you stupid Muslims who preserved Euclid for us! Take that, you stupid pantheist Euclid!
Islam was the cause of the "Islamic Golden Age" only in so far as it was a unifying force. It's silly to pretend that religion was what allowed Euclid et al to be passed back to Europeans; it was scholars provided for by an empire, and their scholarship was eventually retarded because of Islamic unease with it.
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It'll be like a Progamer (future us) critiquing a noob's (present us) gameplay 
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In all honesty, i'm not sure we'll even make it through this century. The forces that we've unleashed are far beyond our understanding.
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My hope is they will be ashamed of us, because the world is a much better place in their time. Positive thinking.
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On October 22 2012 03:32 Tarot wrote:
Hopefully in 1000 years, humans will be replaced by some sort of genetically engineered or synthetically augmented superior version. I definitely wouldn't want such a emotionally driven, faith dependent, and crutch-seeking species to be having inter-galactic capabilities.
5 million years of evolution, 10,000 years of civilization and in just 1000 more we'll have taken forced evolutionary steps, transcending our human coil?
Edit: Also, so we become the emotionless, cruel bad guysspecies from alien movies that always try to invade Earth somehow. Fitting.
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On October 22 2012 06:56 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:32 Tarot wrote:
Hopefully in 1000 years, humans will be replaced by some sort of genetically engineered or synthetically augmented superior version. I definitely wouldn't want such a emotionally driven, faith dependent, and crutch-seeking species to be having inter-galactic capabilities. 5 million years of evolution, 10,000 years of civilization and in just 1000 more we'll have taken forced evolutionary steps, transcending our human coil? Edit: Also, so we become the emotionless, cruel bad guysspecies from alien movies that always try to invade Earth somehow. Fitting.
I'm pretty sure human ancestors have been evolving for quite a bit more than five millions years. Regardless, you simply strengthen his point. Life on Earth has had an utterly incredible exponential growth in capability and there's nothing to suggest that exponential growth will stop in the foreseeable future.
Of course, the idea of removing emotions or seems stupid, but the idea of a new "superior" life being created by humans from humans is not.
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People have tendency to mostly remember wars. Thus, the best thing you can hope for is to be remembered as "then nothing really interesting happened for 200 years"
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post industrial savages or something along those lines because it was expressed by the Vulcan women in star trek enterprise tv series. I think that it depends of your political perspective and nationality but in the future nationality might not matter.
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On October 22 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:
That's pretty fucking bigoted to assume spirituality and common belief equates to stupidity. Even if half of all people who practiced religion were stupid it would still be stereotyping billions of people.
Much more than half the people are stupid or willfully ignorant to ideas that would cause them discomfort. Willful ignorance is the most basic coping strategy and religion is just one the more sophisticated examples of it.
FWIW, I don't think we will be "judged" for it too harshly. The human brain evolved in a very different envirnoment to cope with challenges that were nothing like the ones we're facing now. There's a tiny part of our brain that isn't overadapted to the specific physical and social environment of the past.
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