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On October 21 2012 23:49 Chaosvuistje wrote:
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The singularity is inevitable
Hahaha, epic post, I don't think many people will get this.
HINT: it is de-codable
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On October 22 2012 01:44 Probe1 wrote:
That's pretty fucking bigoted to assume spirituality and common belief equates to stupidity. Even if half of all people who practiced religion were stupid it would still be stereotyping billions of people.
You don't have to be stupid to have ideas not based on logic. Most people have their (religious) views shaped by society, that's incredibly obvious. As there is decent evidence to suggest that more education creates a climate in which society rejects religion more and more until it becomes a fringe idea I'd say the idea that a better educated world will lead to a largely irreligious one is pretty reasonable. Obviously by no means certain, but an understandable supposition.
Anyway, I suspect this will be seen as a transition period. The world changes faster and faster in so many ways. What the destination is I don't know - perhaps just more change, though you'd imagine there has to eventually be an implosion or stability. But I think that will be the defining idea of the latter half of the previous millennium and the first century or two of this one.
Of course, the present always seems like a transitive period from the past to the future, so this isn't much of a prediction but meh.
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The development of civilization has paralleled the individual human lifecycle. In childhood, you are under your parent's control. You know very little and have little self awareness. That was the vast majority of humanity, as it lived under kings, queens and the aristocracy. As one hits adolescence, one begins to assert their individuality and rebel against authority. This is an adolescent age for humanity. The Protestant Reformation was the first step in adolescent self-assertion, and the printing press increased our self-knowledge. It came to a head in the 20th century, particularly in the 1960s. We finally set ourselves free from our parents--the authority of tradition. Now we are in a phase that resembles the life of a college student. Free, hedonistic, careless, irresponsible with money, short on perspective but assertive and outspoken. I suppose in 1000 years we may have found ourselves a job, may've settled down and started a family. May've started to dress a bit more conservatively, gained some perspective about what why we even formed a society in the first place, and so on.
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On October 22 2012 01:51 Andr3 wrote:
I don't know why would such a society look down upon religious people, inteligent design as a theory is an interesting concept and can be explored intellectually imo.
lol, really?
My take on the question : they'll be most likely puzzled by the gaps between our knowledge and our beliefs.
Also, embarassed to see how bigoted and backwards our societies are. A bit like how we feel a chill in our spine thinking of people burning witches in the past, they'll look at the disgusting and cruel things some people are now saying about gays for example, and they'll shake their head in silence.
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Boy: "Ay pop, where dun think you went the ol' ones who builded them giant things? Timmy be say'in they flew in the sky an' had magic, but I be think'in he be ly'in like usual"
Father: "T'is true, boy. But THE LORD smited them for they arrogance and hubris, an' for they evil ways and godlessness, and burned they cities to the ground in a flash of light, and cursed the ground which'in they be build upon. But you don' be worry'in bout them. Get back to yer farm chores"
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On October 22 2012 02:59 Fission wrote:
Boy: "Ay pop, where dun think you went the ol' ones who builded them giant things? Timmy be say'in they flew in the sky an' had magic, but I be think'in he be ly'in like usual"
Father: "T'is true, boy. But THE LORD smited them for they arrogance and hubris, an' for they evil ways and godlessness, and burned they cities to the ground in a flash of light, and cursed the ground which'in they be build upon. But you don' be worry'in bout them. Get back to yer farm chores"
Indeed. I find it much more likely that humanity (along with most other life on the planet) will be long extinct by the year 3000, probably in a sea of nuclear fire.
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we'll look on this society the same we wee look at medieval society with some disgust and pity for out stupidity
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Considering with all the recording options that exsist compared to millenia ago, they will have a lot more information that is also more accurate. Maybe we won't be some huge page in history like a large scale war, but there will be plenty more documents from civil life, celebrities etc.
You don't have holiday pictures of Slave McPeasant from ancient regimes in comparison to John Commoner of today for example.
So all in all, depending wheter there will be scientific breakthroughs, major scale world events or disasters will decide wheter history will remember these days as another year X or just a span of some certain age.
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I'm always a cynic, and I don't think humanity would survive (at least up to today's standards) past the next couple hundred years. Someone's bound to launch a nuke at someone else, and then WW3 starts and Earth blows up. Someone else said he would give humanity 300 years. I think that's a bit generous but the idea is the same. The invention of nuclear technology has changed the world.
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"Damn, Queen is some good music for being a thousand years old."
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Unless we blast ourselves back to the stone age future educated versions of humanity won't view this time all that positively. Case in point...
On October 22 2012 01:51 Andr3 wrote:
I don't know why would such a society look down upon religious people, inteligent design as a theoryhypothesis is an interesting hilarious concept and can be explored intellectually through rain dance and ritual sacrifice imo.
(adjusted for critical thinkers). Now back to dodging all those lightning bolts that are yet to strike me down.
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On October 22 2012 03:10 ampson wrote:
"Damn, Queen is some good music for being a thousand years old."
It's kinda funny to try and imagine who will be the writers, musicians, thinkers, painters, etc... that will still be admired in a thousand years 
On October 22 2012 03:14 mostevil wrote:Unless we blast ourselves back to the stone age future educated versions of humanity won't view this time all that positively. Case in point... Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:51 Andr3 wrote:
I don't know why would such a society look down upon religious people, inteligent design as a theoryhypothesis is an interesting hilarious concept and can be explored intellectually through rain dance and ritual sacrifice imo.
(adjusted for critical thinkers). Now back to dodging all those lightning bolts that are yet to strike me down.
But, but... but.... that banana fits my hole so nicely, and it gives me such fuzzy feelings, surely, God made it that way so I could enjoy myself!
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On October 22 2012 02:55 Husnan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 01:51 Andr3 wrote:
I don't know why would such a society look down upon religious people, inteligent design as a theory is an interesting concept and can be explored intellectually imo.
lol, really? My take on the question : they'll be most likely puzzled by the gaps between our knowledge and our beliefs. Also, embarassed to see how bigoted and backwards our societies are. A bit like how we feel a chill in our spine thinking of people burning witches in the past, they'll look at the disgusting and cruel things some people are now saying about gays for example, and they'll shake their head in silence.
I don't know, for all of history there has been a very wide intellectual gap between the elite and the normal person. For example, around the 1000's scholars in Baghdad and Cordoba made awesome advances in medicine, science, etc. while the average person probably was just concerned with getting food. Now, the normal person is concerned with who's on Dancing with the Stars instead of the policies of the future presidential candidates, or space exploration. However, public education has changed society as we know it: the average person has likely heard of Aristotle, knows how to read and write, and can at least do algebra. I think in the future, these gaps will continue to lessen but won't ever disappear.
Also, I think the world is in a golden age right now. There are very little actual threats, and there is only one nation that is truly dominant. We focus on these uneducated, poor men from Afghanistan instead of actual nations for knocking down two of our towers: they are so insignificant when compared to the Mongols or the Soviets just decades ago. Anyone in a developed country can get whatever he or she wants through hard work and dedication, and education isn't too hard to get. Life is good.
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I think we'll probably look at our stance on certain things, like gay marriage, the teaching of creationism and the influence of God on government, as well as the existence of dictators in the middle east and barbaric attacks between religious sects as primitive. Hah, come to think of it almost all of that stems from religion XD.
I am inclined to think that someday money will no longer be necessary; i.e. our moral standards and human nature will evolve towards some sort of ideal, highly advanced technological society where everyone has what they need and want - and don't want to be Donald Trump's by nature. To that end we'll probably understand ourselves a lot better, specifically the constant drive to acquire more and more and be seen as more and more important, and learn how to temper that in order to be in a state of harmony without being a slave to our desires. So mastery of ourselves.
Probably the major way in which we will be viewed is primitive technologically. I don't know what it would be like 1000 years from now, but I suspect it will be somewhat inconceivable. The singularity is probably a real thing
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On October 22 2012 02:09 jdsowa wrote:
The development of civilization has paralleled the individual human lifecycle. In childhood, you are under your parent's control. You know very little and have little self awareness. That was the vast majority of humanity, as it lived under kings, queens and the aristocracy. As one hits adolescence, one begins to assert their individuality and rebel against authority. This is an adolescent age for humanity. The Protestant Reformation was the first step in adolescent self-assertion, and the printing press increased our self-knowledge. It came to a head in the 20th century, particularly in the 1960s. We finally set ourselves free from our parents--the authority of tradition. Now we are in a phase that resembles the life of a college student. Free, hedonistic, careless, irresponsible with money, short on perspective but assertive and outspoken. I suppose in 1000 years we may have found ourselves a job, may've settled down and started a family. May've started to dress a bit more conservatively, gained some perspective about what why we even formed a society in the first place, and so on.
Guh...this is just wrong. Progressive history, fine, but the equations you make are totally off base.
First off, it's a Eurocentric way of viewing history. Most of the world has followed a very different path than this and to try and equate them without specific evidences that link individual occurrences, you're short-changing the rest of human history.
Second, I may be off base here but you seem to be implying and perpetuating the "Dark Age" myth. Damn thing is a historiographical construct resulting from the Catholic Churches adoption of Ecclesiastical history as a way to explain itself.
Bold Line: Even in Europe's case, this idea of a codified and permanent aristocracy with legitimate authority that did not derive from another source, i.e. the Roman Emperor, didn't exist for the "majority" of European history. It was people putting their rulers in and taking those they didn't like out, or pledging allegiance to those who suited them best. It was representative democracy, albeit a more brutal and violent form.
You can seriously consider this "Monarchical/Aristocratic" period in Europe from about the 7th century under the Merovingian's till around...well, it really sorta phases out over time, but the real symbolic "nail in the coffin" was the beheading of Louis the XVI. While this varied by region around Europe, both in terms of when it began, and when it ended. It was very dependent on how well the former Roman institutions managed to keep running and how quickly the Catholic Church reentered a region and whether or not they reestablished monasteries.
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I don't know that they will look down on us any more than we look down on ancient civilizations (and this is a more apt comparison than the middle ages, because progress is exponential, not linear). More likely, our cultures and societies will just be an interesting subject for historical research or whatever kind of art they have, but they won't view us with any particular feeling. They'll be too detached and evolved to really understand us as being similar to them, just as we don't "judge" mesopotamians or ancient Egyptians because they just seem too alien and primitive for our standards to even apply. like, those guys didn't have cybernetic bodies and immortal gene-modded hive brains connected through faster than light ansibles to a universal data hub?!?! No wonder they had wars and nations!!! Man those old pre-galactic empire days must have been interesting, in a backwards, savage kind of way.
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What earth will look like in 1000 years I really can't imagine. There would definitely be some surprising developments, but there would definitely be some constants that are just as surprising.
The one thing that stands out in my mind currently that people 1000 years in the future will look back and /facepalm is all religious belief. Look how we (general society) view ancient religions, and amplify that by like 100. I think it will be a great shame of humanity that we let so many people be scammed and lied to about things that no one could possibly know about (higher powers, life after death, etc.). Seeing a society that has enough understanding of the universe to leave earth orbit, communicate globally at the speed of light, but still having a majority of the world population believe in ancient myths as if they were real will be pretty embarrassing, imo.
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On October 22 2012 03:24 HardlyNever wrote:
What earth will look like in 1000 years I really can't imagine. There would definitely be some surprising developments, but there would definitely be some constants that are just as surprising.
The one thing that stands out in my mind currently that people 1000 years in the future will look back and /facepalm is all religious belief. Look how we (general society) view ancient religions, and amplify that by like 100. I think it will be a great shame of humanity that we let so many people be scammed and lied to about things that no one could possibly know about (higher powers, life after death, etc.). Seeing a society that has enough understanding of the universe to leave earth orbit, communicate globally at the speed of light, but still having a majority of the world population believe in ancient myths as if they were real will be pretty embarrassing, imo.
I doubt we will look back 1,000 years and facepalm at religion. It's not like we look back and go "those Greeks were so stupid, I can't believe they actually believed in Zeus." We just look back at it as what ancient people did. Why should people 1,000 years in the future be more critical of past civilizations than we are today?
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On October 22 2012 03:24 HardlyNever wrote:
Look how we (general society) view ancient religions, and amplify that by like 100.
I still think that Roman Paganism, deifing people who have done great things in life etc, makes a hell of a lot more sense than Christianity or Islam.
And Buddhism makes sense too.
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Hopefully in 1000 years, humans will be replaced by some sort of genetically engineered or synthetically augmented superior version. I definitely wouldn't want such a emotionally driven, faith dependent, and crutch-seeking species to be having inter-galactic capabilities.
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