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Probably not much will be left of us.
We seem to be living at or very near the peak of energy consumption. Even if all energy power plants would be converted to nuclear today, there is only enough Uranium in the whole Earth to last for a 100 years (and this is not even accounting for exponential energy necessity), or so my nuclear physics teacher said. After that, our current living style and all our extrapolated fantasies will be just that, fantasies.
We might go down in an earth-shattering war, or just slowly and quietly dim and shade away, but imho it is a lot more likely to rensemble what it was a 1000 years ago than 'Universities on Mars'.
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lol the "Race mixing is communism" sign made me laugh.
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People 1000 years from now will hate us because we consumed every natural resource on the planet. We also polluted alot.
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if people dont have a skewed perspective of history they will probably remember us as the big fuckups that used up all the good resources for nothing and fucked up everything so badly that worse times followed
also: if you assume any kind of big change in the way people live, then the current times will always be looked upon as backward by people in the future, no matter wether this change seems benefitial to us right now
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On October 22 2012 06:22 DeepElemBlues wrote: I disagreed with is you saying that post wasn't bashing. I would also point out that Scientology is based on the word of L. Ron Hubbard, whereas mainstream religions are usually based or buttressed on the accounts of people who claimed to have witnessed various events (like the Gospels, or Siddhartha's travels teaching the dharma). So I would say that your comparison is slightly bashy in nature, given that it shows you basically hold all religions to the same low level of respect on their legitimacy regardless of circumstances.
Now that's much better  However, I don't question legitimacy or accountability of the original creators, but merely point out the huge difference between what was intended in religion and what it ends up to be after some time. The example of Scientology was merely to show that time is not a factor, whether it's 60 years or 1700-ish years of evolution. I kind of think all religions are converging to a general set of good ideas, despite their very different roots. Hence, I agree with you pointing how different roots different religions have, yet I just think they converge to something quite common to many of them (self development, social productivity, morality, etc.).
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On October 22 2012 06:56 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:32 Tarot wrote:
Hopefully in 1000 years, humans will be replaced by some sort of genetically engineered or synthetically augmented superior version. I definitely wouldn't want such a emotionally driven, faith dependent, and crutch-seeking species to be having inter-galactic capabilities. 5 million years of evolution, 10,000 years of civilization and in just 1000 more we'll have taken forced evolutionary steps, transcending our human coil? Edit: Also, so we become the emotionless, cruel bad guysspecies from alien movies that always try to invade Earth somehow. Fitting.
Forced evolutionary steps? Probably not.
But stuff like genetic modification and robotic implants for humans is most likely within 1000 years. I wouldn't be surprised if a few thousand years from now (assuming we don't blow ourselves up), the 'human' as we know today will have no place in society except in a zoo.
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On October 22 2012 07:56 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:56 Probe1 wrote:On October 22 2012 03:32 Tarot wrote:
Hopefully in 1000 years, humans will be replaced by some sort of genetically engineered or synthetically augmented superior version. I definitely wouldn't want such a emotionally driven, faith dependent, and crutch-seeking species to be having inter-galactic capabilities. 5 million years of evolution, 10,000 years of civilization and in just 1000 more we'll have taken forced evolutionary steps, transcending our human coil? Edit: Also, so we become the emotionless, cruel bad guysspecies from alien movies that always try to invade Earth somehow. Fitting. Forced evolutionary steps? Probably not. But stuff like genetic modification and robotic implants for humans is most likely within 1000 years. I wouldn't be surprised if a few thousand years from now (assuming we don't blow ourselves up), the 'human' as we know today will have no place in society except in a zoo.
Intelligent posts like this are what I love about TL.
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If society hasn't crumbled by then we will probably look back on this time as an era of great technological prowess and many, many wars... Kinda like were looking back on the crusards only much much worse I guess xD.. Lets hope that the future doesn't repeat our mistakes I guess.
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On October 22 2012 03:31 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:24 HardlyNever wrote:
What earth will look like in 1000 years I really can't imagine. There would definitely be some surprising developments, but there would definitely be some constants that are just as surprising.
The one thing that stands out in my mind currently that people 1000 years in the future will look back and /facepalm is all religious belief. Look how we (general society) view ancient religions, and amplify that by like 100. I think it will be a great shame of humanity that we let so many people be scammed and lied to about things that no one could possibly know about (higher powers, life after death, etc.). Seeing a society that has enough understanding of the universe to leave earth orbit, communicate globally at the speed of light, but still having a majority of the world population believe in ancient myths as if they were real will be pretty embarrassing, imo. I doubt we will look back 1,000 years and facepalm at religion. It's not like we look back and go "those Greeks were so stupid, I can't believe they actually believed in Zeus." We just look back at it as what ancient people did. Why should people 1,000 years in the future be more critical of past civilizations than we are today?
Well, you know, there is a difference between the two scenarios. 1000 years ago the Greeks didn't have a significant knowledge of the cultures 1000 years before then. They didn't say "Oh, all those old religions are amusing myths. Alright, time for church."
Now we do.
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They were really bad at Starcraft back then...
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On October 22 2012 08:35 MHT wrote:
They were really bad at Starcraft back then...
Don't speak for Lee Young Hocules.
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I don't think they'll give a shit.
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On October 22 2012 08:38 LoGikk wrote:
I don't think they'll give a shit.
Yeah, because clearly nowadays we don't give a shit about history.
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A Canticle for Leibowitz, by Walter M. Miller, Jr. and is considered one of the best if not the best science fiction novels, deals with this question in a quite interesting manner. Basically, it assumes that humanity is not wise enough, and quite possibly will never be wise enough to handle nuclear weapons and that the world will be devastated by them. The survivors condemn technology and destroy virtually all knowledge resulting in another dark age, but of course some knowledge is saved, hidden, and is passed down by an order started and named after a Jewish electrical engineer called Leibowitz. Of course that's just the introduction to the book, and to give more details would spoil the plot (which you can if you really want to find out on wikipedia).
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Exactly what we think about people a 1000 years ago.
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On October 22 2012 06:22 Rassy wrote:
In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women.
Sounds hellish.
Anyway you people think the muslim world will suddenly give up religion? They've hardly changed in the past 1000 years and they won't change much in the coming 1000 years.Look at the current situation with muslim brotherhood moving into power in Egypt etc middle east is becoming more religious not less.
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On October 22 2012 09:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:22 Rassy wrote:
In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women. Sounds hellish. Anyway you people think the muslim world will suddenly give up religion? They've hardly changed in the past 1000 years and they won't change much in the coming 1000 years.Look at the current situation with muslim brotherhood moving into power in Egypt etc middle east is becoming more religious not less.
Let's have this discussion in 100 years (not 1.000) again.
The Muslim world will have ceased to exist by then. There will be a more liberal, more open version of the religion, but the insane, restrictive patriarchial society that exists now in many Arabic country will be wiped from the globe.
Arabic women won't take that shit forever, not with the internet being univerally accessible, the USA won't watch the discriminative culture forever and the maniacs will have killed each other.
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On October 22 2012 09:17 DownOnMyNiece wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 09:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 22 2012 06:22 Rassy wrote:
In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women. Sounds hellish. Anyway you people think the muslim world will suddenly give up religion? They've hardly changed in the past 1000 years and they won't change much in the coming 1000 years.Look at the current situation with muslim brotherhood moving into power in Egypt etc middle east is becoming more religious not less. Let's have this discussion in 100 years (not 1.000) again. The Muslim world will have ceased to exist by then. There will be a more liberal, more open version of the religion, but the insane, restrictive patriarchial society that exists now in many Arabic country will be wiped from the globe. Arabic women won't take that shit forever, not with the internet being univerally accessible, the USA won't watch the discriminative culture forever and the maniacs will have killed each other.
In 1000, the US won't be the police of the world anymore though because of its current economy.
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On October 22 2012 07:31 Stye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:22 DeepElemBlues wrote: I disagreed with is you saying that post wasn't bashing. I would also point out that Scientology is based on the word of L. Ron Hubbard, whereas mainstream religions are usually based or buttressed on the accounts of people who claimed to have witnessed various events (like the Gospels, or Siddhartha's travels teaching the dharma). So I would say that your comparison is slightly bashy in nature, given that it shows you basically hold all religions to the same low level of respect on their legitimacy regardless of circumstances. Now that's much better However, I don't question legitimacy or accountability of the original creators, but merely point out the huge difference between what was intended in religion and what it ends up to be after some time. The example of Scientology was merely to show that time is not a factor, whether it's 60 years or 1700-ish years of evolution. I kind of think all religions are converging to a general set of good ideas, despite their very different roots. Hence, I agree with you pointing how different roots different religions have, yet I just think they converge to something quite common to many of them (self development, social productivity, morality, etc.).
That's why the ability for reform of the institution of the religion is so vital for a religion to be healthy. Let's keep Scientology as an example. Would it be possible for a Scientologist to go against official doctrine and try to change it, if that Scientologist and others thought that the organization was not being true to L. Ron Hubbard's "teachings"? No. Religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, to a much (much much) lesser degree Islam, all have traditions of reform from within and the creation and spread of new doctrines that claim to be closer to the "true" faith as taught by the founders of that religion. It keeps the religious institution from becoming so hidebound that it stifles the religion.
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On October 22 2012 09:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:22 Rassy wrote:
In 1000 years the world will be united and run by women. Sounds hellish. Anyway you people think the muslim world will suddenly give up religion? They've hardly changed in the past 1000 years and they won't change much in the coming 1000 years.Look at the current situation with muslim brotherhood moving into power in Egypt etc middle east is becoming more religious not less.
its not fair to say they have completely unchanged in 1000 years. the younger, educated sections of many muslim societies arent that different from you and i. give them 50-100 years and they will probably as 'western' as we are now. you only have to look at the strength of religion in our societies 100 years ago to see how much can change in a few generations.
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