Stefano suspended for a politically incorrect joke?
Isn't Tasteless on EG as well?
How about his jokes? Their total and utter stupidity (while being repeated a hundred times in a few minutes) offend our dignity as human beings a lot more than Stefano's comments
one, its Stephano.
two, Tasteless hasn't been on EG for like 2 years.
On October 13 2012 13:30 RezJ wrote: We all say nasty shit to our buddies. I feel like EG could've shrugged it off and it would've been forgotten two days later.
But I guess they wanted to blow it up and expose the story even more so that they drown in bad PR and have to suspend their key player from competing, seems like a good move!
I am sure it had gone past the point where they could ignore it, we don't know what their sponsors were saying. Once it is past that point, that is when you have to respond.
On October 13 2012 12:57 syroz wrote: An inside joke (pretty fun btw) became an earthquake in esport world in a blink of a eye. People are retards.
Inside jokes stop being inside when they're made to an audience.
To be fair, he didn't know that Bling was streaming until afterwards...right?
It doesn't really matter. I mean, yeah, it sucks for him that it ended up being public, but it's not exactly hard to find out if someone's streaming. Just ask. Or look on TL. Or Twitch.
Harsh. Very harsh. But... well, talking about child abuse as a joke is pretty close to scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as humor and class goes.
Still, Stephano is probably going to eat this suspension, train in Korea, then smash the next tournement he plays in. Seems like the kind of thing he'd do :p That said, it kind of sucks for him really. If he had known that BlinG was streaming, he probably wouldn't have said it to him. I guess the lesson here is joke around with friends all you want. What you say doesn't matter. Its who hears/sees you say it that makes the difference.
On October 13 2012 12:57 syroz wrote: An inside joke (pretty fun btw) became an earthquake in esport world in a blink of a eye. People are retards.
Inside jokes stop being inside when they're made to an audience.
To be fair, he didn't know that Bling was streaming until afterwards...right?
It doesn't really matter. I mean, yeah, it sucks for him that it ended up being public, but it's not exactly hard to find out if someone's streaming. Just ask. Or look on TL. Or Twitch.
On October 13 2012 12:57 syroz wrote: An inside joke (pretty fun btw) became an earthquake in esport world in a blink of a eye. People are retards.
Inside jokes stop being inside when they're made to an audience.
To be fair, he didn't know that Bling was streaming until afterwards...right?
It doesn't really matter. I mean, yeah, it sucks for him that it ended up being public, but it's not exactly hard to find out if someone's streaming. Just ask. Or look on TL. Or Twitch.
To be fair. It was a REALLY funny joke.
You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid to not laugh.
Man the TL community is becoming more and more like reddit each day. Are you people too stupid to realize obviously EGs sponsors would have gotten a lot of flack for this, and EG probably had to fight tooth and nail just to keep stephano on the roster?
It is hilarious that the people who bitch about eSports not being legitimate are the same ones saying EG were too harsh and stephanos comments were fine.
He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year.
"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield
The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG.
Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches.
On October 13 2012 13:10 Xorphene wrote: I thought long and hard about this, over the weekend I shall be emailing EG management and their sponsors to express my utter distate at Stephano's comments.
To the members of this community that consider his comments fine, funny and ok - you need to wake up and get your ass back into the real world.
Oh, and Idra calling someone a "faggot" is nowhere near the same planet as this. Idiots.
why do people like this get so massively butthurt about a joke between friends? your post is so passive aggressive and talking from a high horse, you really made yourself look like a nice and smart guy with that one. unbelievable that stephano now gets fucked over for smth that hasnt anything to do with his proffessional life, its strictly private. its not even our concern, its not like he made public comments, he didnt know its gonna be streamed. So maybe get a life yourself, so you wont have to worry so much about stephanos.
On another note bling is rocking the pauly d hairstyle and looks ridicoulous
On October 13 2012 10:49 legaton wrote: Any man, including 19 years old men, should've know better than fucking a 14 years old starstruck girl. Even if it is consensual, it is disgraceful to take advantage of the stupidity of teenagers.
But something else is mattering me. How does Torta de Lini do to always be one of the first five poster of all TL threads?
On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote: Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me.
He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year.
"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield
The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG.
Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches.
The amount of anti-stephano sentiment you have alone is astounding to behold, and that's just at th e first few lines of your post. You need to take a chill pill and mind your own business instead of getting on the internet and saying a ton of really negative shit about someone t hat you'd have the common decency not to utter to them in person. It's important not to forget something like that just because you're on the internet, dude. And learn how to take a joke btw, lmfao. I mean, seriously - u mad?
On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote: Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me.
He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year.
"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield
The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG.
Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches.
Really? its stephano thats disappointed u? its stephano thats not upholding the values that EG preaches? have you ever seen idra? what stephano does/did is no worse then idra...
I'm confused. Why exactly was it even a joke? It wasn't framed as a joke. There's no punch line or twist. And he immediately regretted expressing it. Unless my English comprehension is not sufficiently bad enough to understand why it's even a joke in the first place calling it a joke is just an excuse for a crude comment. The only reason people are saying it is a joke is because the person he was talking with didn't take it seriously either, but stephano evidently did while he expressed it.
On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote: Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me.
He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year.
"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield
The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG.
Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches.
He has values consistent with the values of an 18 year old that plays computer games for a living in order to entertain other 18 year olds who play computer games.
With all that said we all know that Stephano really doesn't give a shit personally about this. He probably saw nothing really wrong with what he typed and he didn't really mean any harm by it either. I really hope Stephano can shape up and remove some of the "rougher edges" around him. He is a really excellent player with a superstar personality and it's a blast watching him play and hearing him talk during interviews and so forth.
On October 13 2012 13:53 Integra wrote: With all that said we all know that Stephano really doesn't give a shit personally about this. He probably saw nothing really wrong with what he typed and he didn't really mean any harm by it either. I really hope Stephano can shape up and remove some of the "rougher edges" around him. He is a really excellent player with a superstar personality and it's a blast watching him play and hearing him talk during interviews and so forth.
If he saw nothing wrong he wouldn't be concerned about his chat getting streamed. I'm sure he meant no harm though.
On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote: Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me.
He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year.
"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield
The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG.
Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches.
Really? its stephano thats disappointed u? its stephano thats not upholding the values that EG preaches? have you ever seen idra? what stephano does/did is no worse then idra...
WHAT?! IdrA, at WORST, just rages. He tells people that they're horrible at starcraft, questions their intelligence, whatever. Maybe every now and then he throws his headset or something. He's never done anything even remotely close to joking about abusing a child. At least I hope Stephano was joking, but to be honest I don't see how that's at all a joke. The part at the very end was a joke, but I don't see how sending a message to someone telling them that you've abused a child is in any way a joke or how it would be funny to anyone.
If anything I think Stephano got a free pass here and I feel that his punishment should be much much harsher like it would in virtually any other job. I say that as someone that LIKES Stephano. Or maybe liked? I dunno, we'll have to see what happens in time but it's really hard to support someone that thinks joking about abusing children, especially in that way, is funny.
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