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On October 13 2012 14:16 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:11 LuckyFool wrote:On October 13 2012 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
LuckyFool is a pretty gullible for not thinking winners definitely get a longer leash/leniency than someone like, say, orb who's up and coming. Is it right to give a longer leash when it goes against the very morals you preach as an organization? Has Stephano earned the right to belittle the community and act completely irresponsible and unprofessional? And more importantly is this someone we want as a face of the community as we try to bring esports into the mainstream? If mainstream esports is your business goal, then I wish you the best of luck achieving it. But in the meantime, while the rest of us are trying to watch Starcraft, what's the usefulness of randomly grounding a player - let alone a star player?
So you would prefer the scene not to grow and expand and become bigger? You would rather watch Stephano today and have the scene die tomorrow? That's the impression I get from reading this.
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That is why I am real id friends with no one.
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On October 13 2012 14:21 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:16 oBlade wrote:On October 13 2012 14:11 LuckyFool wrote:On October 13 2012 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
LuckyFool is a pretty gullible for not thinking winners definitely get a longer leash/leniency than someone like, say, orb who's up and coming. Is it right to give a longer leash when it goes against the very morals you preach as an organization? Has Stephano earned the right to belittle the community and act completely irresponsible and unprofessional? And more importantly is this someone we want as a face of the community as we try to bring esports into the mainstream? If mainstream esports is your business goal, then I wish you the best of luck achieving it. But in the meantime, while the rest of us are trying to watch Starcraft, what's the usefulness of randomly grounding a player - let alone a star player? So you would prefer the scene not to grow and expand and become bigger? You would rather watch Stephano today and have the scene die tomorrow? That's the impression I get from reading this.
Yes if we have to deal with this crap we deserve to die. We dont deserve a scene if we have to tear down casters and players just so people can get there entertainment fix.
Any intelligent person can see this incident got nothing to do with the joke Stephano told but everything to do with the usually haters who don't like Stephano for whatever reason and saw an opportunity to jump on the drama bandwagon.
But next week its someone else and I hope lucky you will get some good entertainment
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On October 13 2012 14:11 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
LuckyFool is a pretty gullible for not thinking winners definitely get a longer leash/leniency than someone like, say, orb who's up and coming. Is it right to give a longer leash when it goes against the very morals you preach as an organization? Has Stephano earned the right to belittle the community and act completely irresponsible and unprofessional? And more importantly is this someone we want as a face of the community as we try to bring esports into the mainstream?
I think that Torte de Lini is merely acknowledging that in any organisation different people are valued differently. This is usually reflected by position in the hierarchy and/or wages and status. It is all very well talking about morals but EG is a business and so also has to take decisions that are pragmatic too. SC2 will never go mainstream unless it increases it's popularity and the reality is that Stephano is very popular.
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On October 13 2012 13:56 MVega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 13:48 psychotics wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote:Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me. He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year. Show nested quote +"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG. Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches. Really? its stephano thats disappointed u? its stephano thats not upholding the values that EG preaches? have you ever seen idra? what stephano does/did is no worse then idra... WHAT?! IdrA, at WORST, just rages. He tells people that they're horrible at starcraft, questions their intelligence, whatever. Maybe every now and then he throws his headset or something. He's never done anything even remotely close to joking about abusing a child. At least I hope Stephano was joking, but to be honest I don't see how that's at all a joke. The part at the very end was a joke, but I don't see how sending a message to someone telling them that you've abused a child is in any way a joke or how it would be funny to anyone. If anything I think Stephano got a free pass here and I feel that his punishment should be much much harsher like it would in virtually any other job. I say that as someone that LIKES Stephano. Or maybe liked? I dunno, we'll have to see what happens in time but it's really hard to support someone that thinks joking about abusing children, especially in that way, is funny.
In any other job a private joke made outside of work hours wouldn't be an issue. This community is the most ridiculous thing ever, sometimes. What we're going to end up with if we're not careful is a group of progamers that are completely inaccessible and robotic in their public personas, because otherwise the community is going to destroy everyone who actually makes eSports possible.
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Wow. I always knew Stephano was a character, but this is different.
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Reminds me of something Ricky Gervais said in a scene he did with Elmo:
"These are the no-go areas: Drugs, child abuse, the Holocaust."
I guess Stephano has all three covered.
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On October 13 2012 14:11 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:02 SHODAN wrote:
I wish Stephano and his legion of fanboys would just go away Goes both ways. I wish the drama queen community made up by gossip women would just go away. But hey I guess since most of you don't watch starcraft you have to rely on soap opera to satisfy you entertainment addictions no matter who gets hurt or how silly it is. Welcome to the starcraft community where drama and gossip rules. Hell remind me to sign up my girlfriend she and her friends would be perfect for this community
The gossip and drama are easy to ignore. It's impossible to ignore Stephano fanboys sucking his dick every chance they get. They will defend him no matter what he does or says.
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On October 13 2012 14:28 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:11 LuckyFool wrote:On October 13 2012 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
LuckyFool is a pretty gullible for not thinking winners definitely get a longer leash/leniency than someone like, say, orb who's up and coming. Is it right to give a longer leash when it goes against the very morals you preach as an organization? Has Stephano earned the right to belittle the community and act completely irresponsible and unprofessional? And more importantly is this someone we want as a face of the community as we try to bring esports into the mainstream? I think that Torte de Lini is merely acknowledging that in any organisation different people are valued differently. This is usually reflected by position in the hierarchy and/or wages and status. It is all very well talking about morals but EG is a business and so also has to take decisions that are pragmatic too. SC2 will never go mainstream unless it increases it's popularity and the reality is that Stephano is very popular.
Stephano is so popular he transcends even SC2 in popularity? You know, that mainstream audience we're targeting. Not even IdrA is that popular.
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On October 13 2012 14:28 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:11 LuckyFool wrote:On October 13 2012 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
LuckyFool is a pretty gullible for not thinking winners definitely get a longer leash/leniency than someone like, say, orb who's up and coming. Is it right to give a longer leash when it goes against the very morals you preach as an organization? Has Stephano earned the right to belittle the community and act completely irresponsible and unprofessional? And more importantly is this someone we want as a face of the community as we try to bring esports into the mainstream? I think that Torte de Lini is merely acknowledging that in any organisation different people are valued differently. This is usually reflected by position in the hierarchy and/or wages and status. It is all very well talking about morals but EG is a business and so also has to take decisions that are pragmatic too. SC2 will never go mainstream unless it increases it's popularity and the reality is that Stephano is very popular.
Totally agreed. I just want consistency, if you're going to preach you run your organization behind morals and community commitments I would like to think you would uphold those statements.
Of course at the end of the day a business is all about money, always is always will be.
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On October 13 2012 14:35 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:11 Benjamin99 wrote:On October 13 2012 14:02 SHODAN wrote:
I wish Stephano and his legion of fanboys would just go away Goes both ways. I wish the drama queen community made up by gossip women would just go away. But hey I guess since most of you don't watch starcraft you have to rely on soap opera to satisfy you entertainment addictions no matter who gets hurt or how silly it is. Welcome to the starcraft community where drama and gossip rules. Hell remind me to sign up my girlfriend she and her friends would be perfect for this community The gossip and drama are easy to ignore. It's impossible to ignore Stephano fanboys sucking his dick every chance they get.
Aww how cute you are. Better go post on Reddit buddy you don't want to miss the latest drama
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On October 13 2012 14:30 McBrungus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 13:56 MVega wrote:On October 13 2012 13:48 psychotics wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote:Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me. He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year. Show nested quote +"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG. Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches. Really? its stephano thats disappointed u? its stephano thats not upholding the values that EG preaches? have you ever seen idra? what stephano does/did is no worse then idra... WHAT?! IdrA, at WORST, just rages. He tells people that they're horrible at starcraft, questions their intelligence, whatever. Maybe every now and then he throws his headset or something. He's never done anything even remotely close to joking about abusing a child. At least I hope Stephano was joking, but to be honest I don't see how that's at all a joke. The part at the very end was a joke, but I don't see how sending a message to someone telling them that you've abused a child is in any way a joke or how it would be funny to anyone. If anything I think Stephano got a free pass here and I feel that his punishment should be much much harsher like it would in virtually any other job. I say that as someone that LIKES Stephano. Or maybe liked? I dunno, we'll have to see what happens in time but it's really hard to support someone that thinks joking about abusing children, especially in that way, is funny. In any other job a private joke made outside of work hours wouldn't be an issue. This community is the most ridiculous thing ever, sometimes. What we're going to end up with if we're not careful is a group of progamers that are completely inaccessible and robotic in their public personas, because otherwise the community is going to destroy everyone who actually makes eSports possible.
There are plenty of work that holds you accountable for things you do and say in private, politics and other public jobs, other sports, position of offices that want to project a certain image. You can't just say shit and expect people to ignore it just because it wasn't on the clock. There's examples of employeers keeping track of their employees facebook and twitter accounts and so on. This isn't an esports problem.
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On October 13 2012 14:30 McBrungus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 13:56 MVega wrote:On October 13 2012 13:48 psychotics wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 13:39 LuckyFool wrote:Why Stephano is even on EG disgusts me. He's made fun of the holocaust on twitter before, and now this? How much is too much? Do we want people like this representing esports at the forefront of our scene? When Orb was let go by EG for racist remarks he made months before he was hired, Alex Garfield made a very compelling and powerful statement on the matter which I would like to quote a part of now, I hope his visions and how he wants to run EG has not changed. This was said in March of this year. Show nested quote +"In many ways, a culture's icons reflect its core set of values. Being granted celebrity status, and being allowed to represent an entire community, or a portion of a community - these are privileges only given to individuals with whom said community identifies and whose perceived values said community respects. I mentioned at the beginning of this post how disappointed I was in the Counter-Strike community back in 2003, because the community still allowed that team of players to retain its celebrity/icon status, even after their true identities and transgressions were exposed. Their actions violated my core values, and as such, I felt that they should be publicly condemned, and have their celebrity status revoked. The majority of the community, however, felt the exact opposite, and further celebrated the team for their behavior. Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the community's cultural values were not in line with mine, and that was a disheartening realization for me.
However, almost ten years later, as I also mentioned at the beginning of this (very long) post, I've never been prouder to be a part of the StarCraft community (or of any gaming community) than I am at this very moment. And I feel this way because, despite the fact that you guys have been peppering my sponsors with complaints*, your outrage shows me that we do have a set of core values (one of which is that racism isn't acceptable), and we expect our icons and celebrities to share those values; otherwise, they won't be our icons and celebrities any longer.
The eSports industry, and especially some of its respective communities, still have a lot growing up to do before they're truly ready to become mainstream. Just a few weeks ago, we saw the fighting game community at the heart of some major controversy because its culture seemed to condone overt sexism and sexual harassment; these forms of discrimination, in fact, were cited by many members of the FGC as part of what makes fighting game culture what it is. In that regard, the FGC revealed the immaturity of its cultural values, and showed that it still has a lot of growing up to do.
I think we all already knew, prior to this incident, that the StarCraft community was one of the more mature gaming communities out there, but it's still refreshing and encouraging to see that maturity reinforced by how (most of) you guys have reacted over the past few days. I urge you to continue to stand up for what you think is right, and help make this community a safe, comfortable space for everyone.
I can say, with unwavering certainty, on behalf of everyone at EG, that we are absolutely, 100% committed to doing our part to achieve those goals." - Alex Garfield The things Stephano says and the way he acts not only represents himself as an individual, but it represents EG. And they are going to continue to allow such an individual representing their organization? Is EG going to continue to give someone like Stephano a free pass? Allowing such a double standard not only strains the integrity of the organization but strains the integrity of the esports community. If EG really was 100% committed to doing their part in achieving the above goals AG has outlined, Stephano shouldn't be doing anything on EG. Disappointed with EG tonight, to be honest I was disappointed with them even signing Stephano in the first place, as he has never really been someone who handles himself in a manner consistent with the values EG preaches. Really? its stephano thats disappointed u? its stephano thats not upholding the values that EG preaches? have you ever seen idra? what stephano does/did is no worse then idra... WHAT?! IdrA, at WORST, just rages. He tells people that they're horrible at starcraft, questions their intelligence, whatever. Maybe every now and then he throws his headset or something. He's never done anything even remotely close to joking about abusing a child. At least I hope Stephano was joking, but to be honest I don't see how that's at all a joke. The part at the very end was a joke, but I don't see how sending a message to someone telling them that you've abused a child is in any way a joke or how it would be funny to anyone. If anything I think Stephano got a free pass here and I feel that his punishment should be much much harsher like it would in virtually any other job. I say that as someone that LIKES Stephano. Or maybe liked? I dunno, we'll have to see what happens in time but it's really hard to support someone that thinks joking about abusing children, especially in that way, is funny. In any other job a private joke made outside of work hours wouldn't be an issue. This community is the most ridiculous thing ever, sometimes. What we're going to end up with if we're not careful is a group of progamers that are completely inaccessible and robotic in their public personas, because otherwise the community is going to destroy everyone who actually makes eSports possible.
nice analogy. now go ahead and make that joke at any other job outside of work hours, but just make sure it's filmed and then played back to all your co-workers and boss and customers of your company. see how big or small an issue it will be then.
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Anyone realize that the age of consent in Spain is 13? Stephano recently attended Dreamhack Valencia, in Spain. Maybe he boinked a young Spanish chick. Who knows man, them French are pretty liberal with the sex.
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On October 13 2012 14:36 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 14:28 revel8 wrote:On October 13 2012 14:11 LuckyFool wrote:On October 13 2012 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
LuckyFool is a pretty gullible for not thinking winners definitely get a longer leash/leniency than someone like, say, orb who's up and coming. Is it right to give a longer leash when it goes against the very morals you preach as an organization? Has Stephano earned the right to belittle the community and act completely irresponsible and unprofessional? And more importantly is this someone we want as a face of the community as we try to bring esports into the mainstream? I think that Torte de Lini is merely acknowledging that in any organisation different people are valued differently. This is usually reflected by position in the hierarchy and/or wages and status. It is all very well talking about morals but EG is a business and so also has to take decisions that are pragmatic too. SC2 will never go mainstream unless it increases it's popularity and the reality is that Stephano is very popular. Stephano is so popular he transcends even SC2 in popularity? You know, that mainstream audience we're targeting. Not even IdrA is that popular.
Of course Stephano's popularity does not transcend SC2 in popularity. I am not sure why you would think my post implied anything like that at all. The point is that there is a reason why tournaments keep inviting him to participate and why teams like EG are willing him to pay him such a large salary. Tournaments die if no-one watches them and thrive if people watch them. Stephano will be streaming from Korea soon and will get larger views than many SC2 tournaments. All the evidence seems to point to the fact that Stephano participating in a tournament brings in more viewers.
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he made some bad jokes and he gets suspended?
- 10000 respect for EG
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I can understand sponsors being upset, but I'm surprised by how many people in this thread are taking this so seriously.
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On October 13 2012 14:44 Neptuneajax wrote:
Anyone realize that the age of consent in Spain is 13? Stephano recently attended Dreamhack Valencia, in Spain. Maybe he boinked a young Spanish chick. Who knows man, them French are pretty liberal with the sex.
Yes and he has also been in Korea where the age of consent is 14 and maybe popped into Germany where the age of consent is 14. He is also soon going to China where the age of consent is 14. Just goes to show that different countries have different standards for this issue.
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ahahah stephano one troll =10k$
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50 pages on this, really?
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