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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:03 Alpina wrote: If it's really bigger then it's stupid. Splash should be smaller, just like archon's. So then it can't counter mutas, just like the archon? It should be a least the size of the thors. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:03 Alpina wrote: If it's really bigger then it's stupid. Splash should be smaller, just like archon's. Archons splash radius is bigger than thors. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:54 Amazements wrote: Nope, the two attacks are separate; the ground attack does 10 +10 to mech, rather than being a passive ability that increases damage to mech. So it's basically like a non-bio Marauder that pops from the factory and can hit air? Oooook. | ||
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SheffiTB
Canada223 Posts
On November 08 2011 04:24 PH wrote: So it's basically like a non-bio Marauder that pops from the factory and can hit air? Oooook. that requires armory, costs more, and doesn't have stim/concussive shells, yes. | ||
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Lurk
Germany359 Posts
This is a Warning! Reason: Misinformation. Archon splash has a radius of 1, while the Thor's anti-air splash radius is 0.5. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Nyovne Whoever reported me for that should relearn basic math. Area is PI times radius squared so double radius mean four times area. So where exactly is my misinformation there ? | ||
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
The splash radius is somewhere between .5 to 1. it is more effective at killing boxed muta's and mutas in general. That is its whole purpose of it TvZ as it stands, beside being another meat-shield for tanks. Perhaps countering broods in low numbers the way thors do atm with BFH and repair support. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On November 08 2011 04:55 DaveVAH wrote: It has 11 range AA. its a siege type range. The splash radius is somewhere between .5 to 1. it is more effective at killing boxed muta's and mutas in general. That is its whole purpose of it TvZ as it stands, beside being another meat-shield for tanks. Perhaps countering broods in low numbers the way thors do atm with BFH and repair support. If it's effective against magic boxed mutas the AoE can't be 0.5, because that's not enough to hit more than the main target. Thors currently have 0.5 and can hit only one muta. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
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codonbyte
United States840 Posts
On October 27 2011 13:53 SheaR619 wrote: Thor were decent again BLs because terran usually had mech upgrade and zerg usually never get any +armor on air so the thor does quiet a bit of damage if he has +2 or even +1. I still dont believe warhound are going to be that bad because dont forget, they are now faster as well so they can get under or closer to the BLs and deal damage. Of course they are squishiers than the thor so they do die faster but I think this is worth trading for speed and quantity. I personally dont see why this unit should get splash for air....it doesnt really make sense lol. It seem that it would be way to strong vs air mutas but i dont know how well magic box will do though. I also dont see why they are range 7 on ground lol, I think range 6 is fine enough. We will have to see :D I like this idea  Well sure, they have less health than a thor, but from what I've seen so far they certainly don't seem squishy. Far from it, in fact. They have 260 HP, which is still quite a lot for a terran unit. It also seems like they are going to be much cheaper than thors, so that 260 HP I think will amount to quite a bit. | ||
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codonbyte
United States840 Posts
On October 27 2011 16:11 iko wrote: That's pretty expensive, the Goliath for comparison was 100/50, although from what I heard the Warhound has an outrageous 240hp. Yeah. I actually heard that it's like 260. Anyway's, for a unit that costs as much as a viking, that sounds pretty dang beefy. Should be able to fulfill the anti-mech roll pretty well. 260 HP will eat up plenty of colossus shots, and who knows. With that amount of HP and a splash damage anti-air, maybe it will be able to stand up to armored air units (remember that splash gets exponentially better the larger your army sizes). Personally, I'm pretty excited for the warhound. It will be nice to have a terran unit that doesn't feel so fragile compared to toss units. | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On November 08 2011 04:49 Lurk wrote: Whoever reported me for that should relearn basic math. Area is PI times radius squared so double radius mean four times area. So where exactly is my misinformation there ? lolol mods cant do math. | ||
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jorge_the_awesome
United States463 Posts
Wow. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
If they don't build infestors they can't stop blinks or pheonix and if they do they just killed their mutas. Why get tempest? | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:22 Eiviyn wrote: Thor deals full damage in 0.5 radius Archon Full damage: 0.1 radius (basically single target) Half damage: 0.4 radius (less than thor) Quarter damage: 0.8 However the numbers here don't mean much. Think of damage radii as being circles, and of units as also being circles. A unit is "hit" if the circles overlap, even a tiny bit. Mutalisks have a radius of 0.5, which means that a Thor's AA will hit any mutalisk that is less than 1 from the impact site. This gives the Thor splash around the same size as a supply depot. Archon is actually: Full Damage: 0.25 Half: 0.5 Quarter 1 (Values taken from map editor using latest multiplayer mod/patch) On November 08 2011 04:49 Lurk wrote: Whoever reported me for that should relearn basic math. Area is PI times radius squared so double radius mean four times area. So where exactly is my misinformation there ? You did say keyword "area" rather than radius which makes the 4x claim true by definition. Increasing the radius from 0.5 to 1 does make it have 4x more area than it was before (the circle is 4x bigger in terms of area). | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
Sometimes it gets too ban/warn/report happy over here. But i hope that the warhound has the mobility to deal with mutalisks especially if they do not have range. Turrets only do so well till a certain point. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10343 Posts
Wow mods, come on?  I hope they will see this and fix it back ^^So does anyone know the actual splash? sigh lol... | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10343 Posts
On October 27 2011 18:22 Fluttershy wrote: >Frick I just noticed... 7 range war hounds means no more Thor/Hellion vs BLs Thors did like 20 damage per 2 second volley against broodlords if both are unupgraded, definitely not the best use of 300/200/6. You could probably kill 2 thors and badly hurt a third thor with 1 BL, but a 1 on 1 situation isn't realistic and you can deal with BLs with thor/hellion | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:44 Whitewing wrote: It's basically a smaller, faster, cheaper, weaker thor. Because it's smaller and cheaper, you can have more of them more easily, and thus they can't be magic boxxed. Their splash radius is about the same as the thors, so they'll hit clumped mutas hard, but magic box isn't as effective due to just plain having a lot more attacks. Pretty much this. If people think Thors were good at countering Mutas, then they clearly never played terran. Mutas can often kill the same cost of thors as the mutas with magic box, that's how poorly designed Thors are. This is what the Warhound is intended to fix, along with giving Terran a better "massable" mech unit like the Goliath in BW. I do agree with the guy that said that Warhound needs a flat anti-air attack, though. Without that, pure mech will NEVER be viable, because you will always have to supplement it with Vikings for anti-air. | ||
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