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SoCal8910 Posts
Just a quick question for anyone that had the opportunity to play with heart of the swarm this weekend:
How does the Anti-Air AOE work for the warhound? I don't want to make assumptions around it, but I would hope its a little more forgiving than the thor's splash. I know they reduced the range compared to a thor (as well as the damage. i believe its only 8 dmg (4, +4 to light) but im curious how many attacks, the attack rate, and how the splash is done.
Thanks in advance for your time!
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Curious about this myself, I think the splash was supposed to be smaller, however because you'll have more of them you cant be magic boxed (where splash becomes irrelevant) as easily as I assume 6 warhounds will fair similar to 4 or so magic boxed thors.
I guess this means you wont be able to hold off a tonne of mutas with just a warhound and turrets, but en masse magic box will become much less effective, factoring in pdd, allowing more tanks, making mech super epic :D
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I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots.
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On October 27 2011 02:49 crown77 wrote: I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots.
Nope, the two attacks are separate; the ground attack does 10 +10 to mech, rather than being a passive ability that increases damage to mech.
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On October 27 2011 02:49 crown77 wrote: I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots.
If it's really bigger then it's stupid. Splash should be smaller, just like archon's.
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On October 27 2011 02:49 crown77 wrote: I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots.
are you sure you're not confusing it with his talk about the tempest?
am i sure im not the one that is confused?
hmm.
edit: regarding the big splash radius
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I played a few dozen games (did nothing but queue MP for the entire first day) mostly as Z but the few T matches I played the warhound def. felt like the goliath.
It was costed about what I expected it to be for that purpose. It moved a lot faster than I was initially expecting. I didn't get a chance to play it against any fast or standard muta openings but by costing and stats alone (health, damage) it filled the role pretty well.
Random queueing for sc-mp at blizzcon is a mixed bag. Most of everyone is there for WoW so the quality of players you run into (not that I'm even in Masters or anything) is usually fairly poor so realistic scenarios are not expected.
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On October 27 2011 03:07 SwiftAusterity wrote: I played a few dozen games (did nothing but queue MP for the entire first day) mostly as Z but the few T matches I played the warhound def. felt like the goliath.
It was costed about what I expected it to be for that purpose. It moved a lot faster than I was initially expecting. I didn't get a chance to play it against any fast or standard muta openings but by costing and stats alone (health, damage) it filled the role pretty well.
Random queueing for sc-mp at blizzcon is a mixed bag. Most of everyone is there for WoW so the quality of players you run into (not that I'm even in Masters or anything) is usually fairly poor so realistic scenarios are not expected.
isnt it ridiculously big though? from what ive seen it looks as big as the thor, maybe slightly smaller?
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Any1 has any recording off it shooting It's AA attack?!
Would like to see it =/
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On October 27 2011 03:03 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 02:49 crown77 wrote: I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots. If it's really bigger then it's stupid. Splash should be smaller, just like archon's.
The Archons splash was always pretty big... actually.. EXACTLY the same size as a Siege Tank shot. Archons have MORE splash then Thors.
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It should be an effective counter that magic boxing can reduce the damage of but not completely erase the effectiveness of the unit like they do against the Thor now. Thors are supposed to be the counter but when you magic box 3-4 thors become nothing against the 20+ mutas.
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The aa is 4,+4 to light? How underwhelming...
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On October 27 2011 03:38 Zorgaz wrote: Any1 has any recording off it shooting It's AA attack?!
Would like to see it =/
It's the thor AA missiles. =P
It's most likely placeholder.
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It'll probably be just like Thor missile, except he won't shoot 100 of them. I would like to see as well.
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On October 27 2011 03:50 FinestHour wrote: The aa is 4,+4 to light? How underwhelming...
Obviously it consists of multiple shots, just like the Thor.
I really wish whatever genius wrote down the stats had thought to include that. I can't count the number of people who've looked at that one number and assumed that's the total damage it deals per shot.
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On October 27 2011 03:03 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 02:49 crown77 wrote: I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots. If it's really bigger then it's stupid. Splash should be smaller, just like archon's.
Err, well, archon splash area is four times that of the thor. So if it was just like archon's it would be bigger than the thor's :D
P.S.: The warhound has 4 attacks with it's anti-air cannon, each doing 4+4 damage, so a maximum of 32 damage per volley (a thor has 48).
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The thor's splash radius was the smallest splash radius in the game already. I don't think they can really make it smaller for the warhound.
Like archon splash radius for the warhound would be good, I think.
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On October 27 2011 03:59 koppik wrote: The thor's splash radius was the smallest splash radius in the game already. I don't think they can really make it smaller for the warhound.
Like archon splash radius for the warhound would be good, I think.
If you want to give it archon splash radius, then give it archon range too (3). Archons are "supposed" to be a good counter to mutalisks right now, but "how much damage you deal" against mutalisks is completely irrelevant when most units can't catch them (except blink stalkers and stimmed marines, or a lucky storm.)
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On October 27 2011 04:14 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:59 koppik wrote: The thor's splash radius was the smallest splash radius in the game already. I don't think they can really make it smaller for the warhound.
Like archon splash radius for the warhound would be good, I think. If you want to give it archon splash radius, then give it archon range too (3). Archons are "supposed" to be a good counter to mutalisks right now, but "how much damage you deal" against mutalisks is completely irrelevant when most units can't catch them (except blink stalkers and stimmed marines, or a lucky storm.)
if archons were supposed to be the counter for mutalisks why did they make the tempest? shoulda just buffed archons
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On October 27 2011 03:44 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:03 Alpina wrote:On October 27 2011 02:49 crown77 wrote: I heard Dustin B. say that the splash is bigger than the thor's was. I'm curious if you can use them in tvp as a goliath. I passionately hated that you like had to make marines in the beginning of tvp if you smelled voidray or even robo units you kind of need marines.
I don't know if it's going to stay this way but I heard in one of those blizzcon videos that david kim said the warhound does extra damage vs mech... and he said that every unit besides the zealot was mech in the protoss army.... im not sure if flying units are counted in that or not but kind of exciting that they want to see more mech in tvp in hots. If it's really bigger then it's stupid. Splash should be smaller, just like archon's. The Archons splash was always pretty big... actually.. EXACTLY the same size as a Siege Tank shot. Archons have MORE splash then Thors.
really? o_O
It always looked like thors have way bigger splash...
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