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I don't know Smancer, it does look suspicious, but my best guess right now is that just one of them are scum. But then again jumping onto me for no reason isn't exactly a good town mindset. We can't afford another mislynch.
But yeah I've been reading town on nobody, I think he has some good reasoning overall when reading his filter. JarJar on the other hand. Well, he's been able to keep a very low profile. And two of his cases have been garbage, the one against kirby day 2 was slightly better. But he hasn't really done much.
At this point in time I also know that you are town, otherwise you would have just jumped the wagon and lynched me.
I've been positive towards Moloch. Nice reasoning overall, only him and I who tried to stop the Lynch on Kirby for example. His earlier post today, I agreed with at first. But TRN and you (Smancer) pointed out correctly that 4vs3 is much more "fragile" then 5vs3.
I earlier pointed out that I believe there were at least one scum among obzy, moloch, smancer and fish. Not sure if that's correct anymore since it was a town who had second most vote that day. But IF I had to pick one of these, that would be Fishgle. I think hes play improved during d2, but d1 most he did was pointing out light uncommitical suspicions against a lot of confirmed townies. But I'm very uncertain about him.
I don't believe in Rains claim, I never have. He should have died night 1. He successfully blue fished our doc yesterday.
So my preferred lynch for today would be either Rainbow or JarJar. Unless we can agree with on one of them. I rather we No-lynch.
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Oh, forgot to mention Raven, well we have been voting together against Rain... Don't really understand his vote on me today though. Unless he explains that a bit better I'll have to reconsider. But my assumption is that his motives was to get me to talk. I agree that my first posts today were hastily written and not consistent (?) with my previous play (busy at work).
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I'm off to bed. I'll try my best to answer all questions you might have - but it might have to wait until after work tomorrow.
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Hmmm I'm going to unvote for now
##Unvote
I think I really am going to think about all these connections, I'm trying to figure out the scumteams, and I'm not sure right now.
Right now, the most likely scum I feel like are Raven, Jarjar and maybe Warent right now.
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Yea warent, I saw how short your filter was for basically pushing rainbows with me with no backlash compard to me. I didn,t like that; felt like maybe if you were scum you could set me up and get rainbows at the dame time. I rwally hated how you reacted to obzys medic claim; its obvious anyone who claimed med night phase would end up dead if they wernt scum seemed like maybe it was a distancing attempt and then you went from wearing a tinfoil hat to accepting a no lynch without any consequences. Added up this casted you in enough of a bad light for me to vote for you to see how people would react and what analysis people would make if any... and I got nothing for it outside a decent read off smancer; this lynch is so far too easy, even if everyone hasn't showed up yet.##unvote
##vote:Rainbows I'm not posting a case; it would be a repeat of everything I said so far.. I will only add that rainbows basically bluefished our medic, started the no lynch thing then hopped off it without trying to defend it, and only decided to care when the one person who liked him died. Now my chinese food is done, I may post again while I eat if anyone is around but then I got to go for a bit like I said earlier.
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Love how the scum twist all my actions to make them scummy haha
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At this point warent raven is pretty guarenteed scum imo.
Anyone who disagrees that isnt the accused please stand up.
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Seeing as I am not slim shady, no rainbows, i will not stand up.
Anyway, I'm glad we're veering away from a no-lynch. Either way we do it, we can't afford to get a single lynch wrong from now on, so the only thing that happens after the nightkill is that rainbows will (probably) die, and then what? The only info we'd gain from that is that mafia thinks it's a good idea to kill a blue. Fuck, we already know that. so... yea. A no-lynch is bad.
For me, the scum team is probably NW, TRN, and warent, as i stated before, i think. I'm just hoping that rainbows isn't pulling a fake claim.
Warent makes the same terrible defense that rainbows was trying to pull earlier, in "Who are my scum buddies?" Which once again doesn't prove you innocent. All it shows is that the mafia is smart enough to not directly associate itself with other mafia inside the thread.
I think smancer's post about jarjar and nobodywonder being eerily similar, with the same votes. But since i doubt mafia would be dumb enough to associate that closely, i think only one of them is scum.
Rainbows made a good point about Warent defending TRN, and TRN defending NW, which puts more evidence on that case.
I'm a bit wary of everyone being so eager to lynch warent though. Nobodywonder and jarjar jumping in and voting nonchalantly like that, it might be a sign that warent is actually town?
And sorry rainbows. I don't think i'll be putting down a vote yet. It's just not my style. 
to appease you though
FoS: Nobodywonder
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edwop: i like smancer's post about jarjar.... etc
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Yay its time for Rainbow's classic defense: I don't have to defend myself outside of call everyone who votes for me scum! A classic!
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I'm really disapointed, I finish my paper enough that I can at least stomach to read it and am willing to just edit the changes base on feedback, I finish my quiz, get all my school stuff done, and realize I don't need my resume till 5 PM tomorrow so I have plenty of time to finish it... and I come back to find nothing.
Smancer, you said you had three main things you wanted to focus on, and only really came up with the voting patern of jarjar and NW: Did you come up with anything else fun to discuss?
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The two of you need to go to couple's counseling or soemthing
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Alright, I am currently writing my thesis on scum. Hopefully it's alright, in the mean time I figured I might as well just ask a few more questions and comment on a couple of things...
@Fishgle, I just want to ask a couple things, since your filter is kinda short and I just need your opinion. First, what do you think of Smancer, Moloch, JarJar and me in general, leaning scum or town, note scummy actions or whatever, because it seems you didn't really touch upon us in your filter.
Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then
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oh darn it, I didn't finish my last sentence.
Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then Rainbow would be confirmed for sure. Thus Ravens has a higher chance of being the mafia roleblocker, if so then Rainbows may be able to get his shot off.
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Lastly, I want to give out another plea to town: We all need to post at this critical point, so we can get the posts to determine reads upon. And don't forget to read the filters!
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hmm you're right, if we manage to get the roleblocker, then rainbows can get his night kill off, and we have a chance of winning.
it seems i've been focusing on only half the players this whole game, sorry about that. I sorta just follow the big picture and keep a lot of things to myself, unless i feel they're important.
I think you and jarjar look somewhat equally scummy, for similar reasons. I already outlined your part. But as for jarjar, him coming in and creating a large post against jrkirby is extremely suspicious. The reason i'm not voting for him is it feels like a set up by the mafia. The first 3 town to die were the 3 that voted for jarjar. Other than that, it's hard to say much about him. He seems to be speaking logically but there's still not enough in his filter to decide how I feel about him. And right now is a rather shaky time to be voting out lurkers.
Smancer, i've been reading town most of the game. If I were to make a case against him i'd probably point out how he pushed for the lynches, which all turned out bad. But i can't really state that straightfaced, seeing as i've been mostly agreeing with him the whole game, and also voted for the mislynches. argument for him: He's stated some good, focused points, and pushed for more info, which i consider townie behavior. And he's decently active, which is another positive trait. Not only that, but he seems to be the only other person wary of a mislynch right now. If we get this wrong, we lose, and he understands that. so ya. No suspicion on him, atm.
Moloch is rather interesting. I feel like most of the game he's been playing similarly to me. This quote of his i liked
It kind of feels like I've wasted time wrecking other people's arguments rather than building my own.
It shows that he's got a good level of skepticism and isn't letting himself be mislead too easily. I don't know what to make of all his statistical analysis of no-lynch vs yes-lynch, but even he seems to be unsure of his own stance on that. Probably town?
tbh, i don't like saying "this guys town" or "this guy's scum" unless i'm rather sure of it. It's also why I don't vote early either. There's still the possibility that rainbows is fake claiming (our cop died day 1, so no one ever checked), it's possible that smancer is just really good at looking like a townie while leading all the mislynches, etc etc.
can anyone bring up a good argument for either moloch or smancer being scum? There's been a couple posts about them, but mostly they've been unperturbed. I'm assuming that it's because in general most people agree with me that they're townies?
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Fish: As I said earlier I know Smancer is town, otherwise he didn't have a reason to defend me. I've been sceptical about you in the past, but this post I really liked.
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On April 12 2013 15:30 nobodywonder wrote:
oh darn it, I didn't finish my last sentence.
Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then Rainbow would be confirmed for sure. Thus Ravens has a higher chance of being the mafia roleblocker, if so then Rainbows may be able to get his shot off.
Rainbows started the vote, I wanted someone to post SOMETHING about War and no one did so I jumped off, plus I liked Wars response to my questions. How is that a bus, and why would a bus make sense with what point in the game we are at?
And what makes you think Rainbow's claim is real still? Me and War have given you ALOT about Rainbows and why his claim is likely to be a lie and how it makes a lot of sense Explain to me how his play is indicative of town. He hasn't pushed anything except for me (And now Warant, making literally everyone he has voted for someone who posted a case against him), and outside of his first case and he hasn't added anything to his reasons. People keep saying how his claim makes no sense as scum, but he has been able to get away with no analysis, pushing no real case (Somewhat funny since he has the longest filter in the game (Excluding the dead guy formerly known as Obzy). He hasn't even responsed serriously to the last few cases or points brought against him, despite reading them and making a comment or two. And hell, he was acting like he cared when Obzy died, showing how scared he suddenly became, and then decided to go back to being I don't care Rainbows when called out on it.
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Raven, you scum. Been playing the same old cards the entire game. I'm interested if you've a bunny under your trenchcoat somewhere, maybe to show us some magic? You can try to keep convincing people I'm scum, but it's not going to work. Buddy, I'm town. You're done. I called out both you and Warent D1 (and probably your 3rd scumbuddy as well). You have been trying to fling shit to discredit me the entire game, keeping me as a mislynch for lylo. And it's worked. It's my fault as well -- because at some point I gave no shits about the town of this game anymore. That I'll admit.
Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, JJD, NW you guys need to vote Warent or Raven. I 'd go with Warent just to be safe. One of you guys is the last scum so you can ignore me. But for the four townies in that group; do Obzy some great justice. Now he's in the great ObsQT in the sky, Obsing all over us, just praying for a Warent/Raven lynch.
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