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Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
April 11 2013 06:48 GMT
#901
On April 11 2013 15:46 Moloch wrote:
The only downside to this is that we'll probably lose Rainbows tonight, and it feels like he gets the best reads on people.


We'd probably lose Rainbows tonight anyway, so I guess even that isn't a downside.
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 11 2013 07:16 GMT
#902
Moloch, you are right.

This is probably our best option right now.

##Vote nolynch
"More drones!"
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
April 11 2013 07:26 GMT
#903
A CORRECT VOTE COUNT:


Warent (0) Rainbows

No-Lynch (3) Rainbows, Moloch, Warent

Not Voting: JarJarDrinks, Smancer, TheRavensName, nobodywonder, Fishgle

Deadline is in 40.5 hours. Voting is mandatory.

Currently a No-Lynch will happen!

If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
April 11 2013 11:33 GMT
#904
The only issue with going nolynch right away that i have is that we will get no information for an entire 48 hours.

So we a/ll vote nolynch now and then we just wait with our thumbs up our asses until the end of the next night to see who they NK

We will have no new information for 72 hours by voting nolynch now.

We should at least investigate and analyze events as they are and try to find scum. Pressure our suspects, do some work. If we don't have anything concrete within t-minus 6-8 hours before the lynch deadline, then we all vote nolynch.
A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 11 2013 11:38 GMT
#905
Wow, Rainbows went from not wanting to play to wanting to prolong the game? And all it took was Obzy dieing.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 11 2013 12:11 GMT
#906
On April 11 2013 14:01 Warent wrote:
Obzy claim did not make sense from a town perspective. Why? He just gave up the doctor. How the hell is that town motivated?

I provided reason why it wasn't a terrible move from a scum perspective.

Simple as that.

Then this whole day so far is very out of character for you. Quick question since your the guy here who analyzes EVERYTHING from a scum perspective... want to analyze the No lynch vote with no real debate first motivations by rainbows or should I just do that for you?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 11 2013 12:20 GMT
#907
On April 11 2013 21:11 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 14:01 Warent wrote:
Obzy claim did not make sense from a town perspective. Why? He just gave up the doctor. How the hell is that town motivated?

I provided reason why it wasn't a terrible move from a scum perspective.

Simple as that.

Then this whole day so far is very out of character for you. Quick question since your the guy here who analyzes EVERYTHING from a scum perspective... want to analyze the No lynch vote with no real debate first motivations by rainbows or should I just do that for you?


Analyzing things from different perspectives can be useful. I think Rainbow did it as a joke (?), not sure though. Molochs reasoning made sense. If you have an analyzis you are obviously welcome to provide it.
"More drones!"
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 11 2013 12:36 GMT
#908
On April 11 2013 15:48 Moloch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 15:46 Moloch wrote:
The only downside to this is that we'll probably lose Rainbows tonight, and it feels like he gets the best reads on people.


We'd probably lose Rainbows tonight anyway, so I guess even that isn't a downside.
There is a downside:

Depends on how confident we are in who we lynch today. I'm pretty certain that Warrent is scum. If everyone else is close to 100%, we should lynch him today and here's why:

Rainbows hasn't said anything but I'm gonna assume he was roleblocked again last night. If we hit scum today then there's a 33% chance that we get the roleblocker. Then Rainbow can try to get a shot off tonight. If he hits, then he buys us a mislynch cause we'd be @ 4/1. If he misses, then we're @ 3/2 and still can win. If he gets blocked then we're @ 4/2 and can vote no lynch tomorrow instead of today.

I think it's worth it because I'm quite certain Warrent is bad.

I think EVERYONE should chime in on this before we decide.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 11 2013 12:46 GMT
#909
On April 11 2013 21:20 Warent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 21:11 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 11 2013 14:01 Warent wrote:
Obzy claim did not make sense from a town perspective. Why? He just gave up the doctor. How the hell is that town motivated?

I provided reason why it wasn't a terrible move from a scum perspective.

Simple as that.

Then this whole day so far is very out of character for you. Quick question since your the guy here who analyzes EVERYTHING from a scum perspective... want to analyze the No lynch vote with no real debate first motivations by rainbows or should I just do that for you?


Analyzing things from different perspectives can be useful. I think Rainbow did it as a joke (?), not sure though. Molochs reasoning made sense. If you have an analyzis you are obviously welcome to provide it.

Well put it this way, sense I'll take your job from you the downside of a no lynch is if we pass it, we went from being up 2 votes, to only being up one vote. This would make a quick last minute mass switch tomorrow far too easy. For this reason, I think we should at least discuss it.

As to why Rainbows would want to all of a sudden play: He lost Obzy, and out of the 7 people left (Not counting himself or scumbuddies) The only person who has publically stated a favorable opinion of him is Smancer and maybe Moloch (I don't remember seeing it, but I don't not either). Combined with the earlier mentioning of how a no vote today COULD hurt town, and you have motivation for Rainbows to purpose the No lynch from a scum perspective. He would only have to convince at most one person of his claim as opposed to two.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 11 2013 15:08 GMT
#910
##Unvote

Good points, all three of you. Also from a completely objective perspective you have to consider yourself being lynched, it's 3/8 vs 3/7 that's only 5,4% percent.
"More drones!"
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:19:41
April 11 2013 15:19 GMT
#911

A BIGGER VOTE COUNT:


Warent (0) Rainbows

No-Lynch (2) Rainbows, Moloch, Warent

Not Voting: JarJarDrinks, Smancer, TheRavensName, nobodywonder, Fishgle

Deadline is in ~35 hours. Voting is mandatory.

Currently a No-Lynch will happen!

If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
April 11 2013 15:47 GMT
#912
This day is already wasting, there is virtually no activity but lots of things to discuss.

@Rainbows, you said earlier that having 3 blue rolls in this format is "stupid op". Well, we now have two confirmed dead blues, and your claim as vig.

In regards to the nolynch, here are my thoughts:

I've been struggling with how exactly are we going to deduce information from the impending NK ? You said it will give us great information. I am sitting here trying to go through each person left, and trying to determine what it would directly imply if each person, including myself was their target in the night. IN most cases I get into a big heap of circular logic.

Furthermore Mafia knows the reason for a nolynch vote is to try and get information. So why would they NK someone who would give us information. If we vote nolynch today, wouldn't they NK the person that they think would give us the least Info, or the person that would throw us the most of the right path?

Fact of the matter is, all mafia has to do is pick one of us remaining townies at random, and sit back and watch the shit storm that would follow, while we focus entirely on the NK and not the other events that have happened.

I said it before, we have 3 very good things to discuss today before we decide on voting nolynch (well maybe not Obzy claim as he is dead now.).

We have to get a correct lynch, whether it be today, or tomorrow after voting nolynch. And the way I see it voting nolynch today could help the mafia as much is it might help us.


A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 11 2013 15:51 GMT
#913
On April 12 2013 00:47 Smancer wrote:
This day is already wasting, there is virtually no activity but lots of things to discuss.

@Rainbows, you said earlier that having 3 blue rolls in this format is "stupid op". Well, we now have two confirmed dead blues, and your claim as vig.

In regards to the nolynch, here are my thoughts:

I've been struggling with how exactly are we going to deduce information from the impending NK ? You said it will give us great information. I am sitting here trying to go through each person left, and trying to determine what it would directly imply if each person, including myself was their target in the night. IN most cases I get into a big heap of circular logic.

Furthermore Mafia knows the reason for a nolynch vote is to try and get information. So why would they NK someone who would give us information. If we vote nolynch today, wouldn't they NK the person that they think would give us the least Info, or the person that would throw us the most of the right path?

Fact of the matter is, all mafia has to do is pick one of us remaining townies at random, and sit back and watch the shit storm that would follow, while we focus entirely on the NK and not the other events that have happened.

I said it before, we have 3 very good things to discuss today before we decide on voting nolynch (well maybe not Obzy claim as he is dead now.).

We have to get a correct lynch, whether it be today, or tomorrow after voting nolynch. And the way I see it voting nolynch today could help the mafia as much is it might help us.


Well I'm trying to pin the scumteam right now. And I very well may have. The point is, if scum kill me you guys can trust me. If they kill one of the others, then I can be further sure of my reads. We don't have to no-lynch today. It's fine. We just have to kill scum.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 11 2013 15:54 GMT
#914
Smancer: Who should we lynch today?
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#915
It's interesting, I thought there would be only 2 blues. In my first game it was a 1-shot cop and a JK versus goon/goon/RB. JK being a good blue, 1-shot being a handicapped blue. The fact there are 3 blues (cop/doc/vig) is indeed stupid op if the setup is goon/goon/RBer. Setup is probably goon/RB/ and then framer or GF in this case.

Or host decided to be friendly to town.
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
April 11 2013 15:59 GMT
#916
Rainbows, I have been wrong twice now so asking me may not be the best thing in the world. Regardless, I simply don't know anyway. I want to do some actual analysis and investigating today to figure that out... which is the point of my posts.

A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 11 2013 16:20 GMT
#917
So just curious Rainbows, because I don't like how you and Warrant both acted out of character today, and I'm trying to draw some opinion between the two of you that makes my brain hurt: Why the sudden interest in playing now that Obzy is dead?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 11 2013 16:25 GMT
#918
Because Obzy led the horses to water. Someone has to make them drink.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 11 2013 16:28 GMT
#919
I want everyone to vote early in the day. Everyone.

That means NW, JJD, Fishgle. No last minute shenanigans.

##Unvote
##Vote: Warent
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 11 2013 16:32 GMT
#920
On April 12 2013 01:25 Rainbows wrote:
Because Obzy led the horses to water. Someone has to make them drink.

Hmmm, Thats certianly food for thought, one would argue you should have been helping round them up so they could be led. We all know you are capable of that.

Well this is probably my last post for today, I got mandatory school functions ontop of classes I have to attend before I take a quiz, draw up a resume, and salvage some kind of grade out of my paper,so...I will see you all tomorrow after my classes around about noon EST. Please do not say mean things behind my back, or I will be very sad.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
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