Newbie Mafia XL - Page 47

Warent

Sweden205 Posts

April 11 2013 16:38 GMT

#921

On April 12 2013 01:28 Rainbows wrote:
I want everyone to vote early in the day. Everyone.

That means NW, JJD, Fishgle. No last minute shenanigans.

##Unvote
##Vote: Warent

Who am I working with?

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 16:39 GMT

#922

Ok, so I decided to do what I said. I had three things to focus on Ravens versus TRN, Vote counts and patterns, and Obzy's Claim.

I looked back at everyone, including myself, our filters. And I wrote down for each person who they voted for, in chronological order Day 1 and Day 2.

The only mildly interesting thing I found was two people that have the exact same votes. NW and JJD. They are also heavily lurking JJDs filter is still one page.

Day 1 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby
Day 2 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby

JJD's filter is still one page. I am looking through them because I am trying to find more evidence t support that they might be working together.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

April 11 2013 16:39 GMT

#923

Very well Mr Rainbows. I don't like how War got away without much scrutiney for the same things I was doing, I don't like how he was acting Last night and didn't scrutinize something that has morepotential scum motivations then that bad medic claim,ut, and I don't like how hes posted so little and hasn't at least pushed something like NW or JarJar did, so I will throw my vote onto him, and you are more then welcomed to tear it apart or get him to talk. Or whatever you want to do. I posted my thoughts on Rainbows already, and if I like what War has added and not what Rainbows has after lurking so long, I will swap around.
##Vote: Warent
Good hunting Gentlemen.

Warent

Sweden205 Posts

April 11 2013 16:48 GMT

#924

On April 12 2013 01:39 Smancer wrote:
Ok, so I decided to do what I said. I had three things to focus on Ravens versus TRN, Vote counts and patterns, and Obzy's Claim.

I looked back at everyone, including myself, our filters. And I wrote down for each person who they voted for, in chronological order Day 1 and Day 2.

The only mildly interesting thing I found was two people that have the exact same votes. NW and JJD. They are also heavily lurking JJDs filter is still one page.

Day 1 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby
Day 2 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby

JJD's filter is still one page. I am looking through them because I am trying to find more evidence t support that they might be working together.

I've been thinking about that but wouldn't it be a bit to obvious..? Another thing they do have in common is lurking heavily on Day1 though.

Warent

Sweden205 Posts

April 11 2013 17:02 GMT

#925

@TheRavensName

I don't like how War got away without much scrutiney for the same things I was doing,

I can't really provide an answer to this.

don't like how he was acting Last night and didn't scrutinize something that has morepotential scum motivations then that bad medic claim,ut

The medic claim was the most important event no one had looked at more closely. It had plenty of scum potential! I actually didn't think Obzy just would give up, and I was suspicious towards him from after day 1. Why? Him hardcore defending Rain didn't make sense to me, it did to you? In any case my analysis was still correct - but my conclusion was wrong. It was a horrible town move. Had been an at least an interesting scum move.

and I don't like how hes posted so little

I'm sleeping when most of the actions are happening, sorry about that, but can't really do much about it.

I really don't understand do you think I'm working with Rainbow?

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

April 11 2013 17:03 GMT

#926

+ Show Spoiler [Warent Disuades a Raven Lynch] +

On April 07 2013 02:47 Warent wrote:
An issue I have with the case against TRN is the following:

TRN:

Show nested quote +

Doesn't this look like TRN pointing out that Rainbows behavior is just Rainbow being Rainbow, I fail to understand why he would do that (early on) if he were hoping for a lynch against him?

+ Show Spoiler [TRN Disuades a NW lynch] +

On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:

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Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him.
Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy.

For my own reference.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

April 11 2013 17:04 GMT

#927

On April 12 2013 02:02 Warent wrote:
@TheRavensName

Show nested quote +

I can't really provide an answer to this.

Show nested quote +

I'm sleeping when most of the actions are happening, sorry about that, but can't really do much about it.

I really don't understand do you think I'm working with Rainbow?

Well he is convinced I'm scum, but is willing to sheep my vote on you. If you can do the math, the numbers are interesting.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

April 11 2013 17:13 GMT

#928

##Vote: Warent

On April 12 2013 01:38 Warent wrote:
Who am I working with?

Besides Ravens you mean? Since his last post might as well said "I'm gonna bus Warrent unless I think I can get Rainbows Lynched"

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 17:16 GMT

#929

On April 10 2013 07:14 nobodywonder wrote:
@jrkirby :/ thats a disappointing reply on fishgle... I expected more. anyways this is an exciting time for you jarjardrinks, can you pull the nobodywonder (see reference to Newbie XXXIIX) besides jarjardrinks, what do you read (scummy/townie) on your current voters?

On April 10 2013 03:47 nobodywonder wrote:
btw jrkirby who are your scumreads. besides jjd, whos been attacking?

Why did you want jkirby to make reads on someone other than JJD?

nobodywonder

United States848 Posts

April 11 2013 18:15 GMT

#930

hi, I'm back. I'll be somewhat busy with classes and everything but I'll definitely try to be active whenever I can.

On April 12 2013 02:16 Smancer wrote:

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Why did you want jkirby to make reads on someone other than JJD?

I wanted jrkirby to give his reads on others, because at that point before the lynch, I wanted to see how he viewed others. Since at that point I felt that he was scum, then I wanted him to mess up and led us to other suspects or confirm some townreads.

nobodywonder

United States848 Posts

April 11 2013 18:22 GMT

#931

On April 12 2013 01:28 Rainbows wrote:
I want everyone to vote early in the day. Everyone.

That means NW, JJD, Fishgle. No last minute shenanigans.

##Unvote
##Vote: Warent

##Vote: Warent
@Warent, so after unvoting a no lynch, who are you going to vote?

now just fishgle needs to vote.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 18:33 GMT

#932

So now for a third time NW and Jarjar come in a vote for the same person.

I really don't see the big case agains Warrent. I would much rather vote for NW or JarJar. I just went through the last newbie mafia game. JarJar was town. Raven,. Rainbows, you were in that game no? His play was way more active, and he contributed so much more than this game.

Warent gets a couple votes then these guys hop on? There is too much to risk today for a mislynch and they just post 2 lines and hop on bored.

I don't buy it. These two must be scumbuddies.

nobodywonder

United States848 Posts

April 11 2013 18:35 GMT

#933

Smancer, what are you trying to do? Just throw shit at me and Jarjar? Where's your case? If you want this shit, I note that you and Ravens have a similar voting pattern during the day 2 lynch.

On April 09 2013 23:46 phagga wrote:

VOTE COUNT:

TheRavensname (1) ~~Obzy~~, Rainbowsa

Rainbows (0) ~~Smancer~~, ~~TheRavensName~~

jrkirby (1) JarJarDrinks

JarJarDrinks (1) Obzy

Moloch (2) Smancer, TheRavensName

Not Voting: Warent, jrkirby, Fishgle, Moloch, nobodywonder

Deadline is in 9 hours. Voting is mandatory.

Currently Moloch is set to be lynched!

If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

What's with you, Smancer and your votes and Raven and his votes. You guys are trying to get the same person and switch it at similar times. It's only when I make my case against jrk is when, you get on the wagon with me and then Raven goes after Rainbows.

nobodywonder

United States848 Posts

April 11 2013 18:39 GMT

#934

Here's the final night post and vote count for total reference.
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 10 2013 09:16 marvellosity wrote:

Night 2

[image loading]

Ooooh. Oooh.

It was national hallucinogen day in Liquidsville. Oh what a day! Yes, my friends, we live in confusing times. Fatties are persecuted and yet hallucinogenic drugs are celebrated.

jrkirby had just eaten a batch of shrooms. Probably too much in one sitting if we're honest. But that's ok, everyone else was doing the same. A street party was going on outside; naturally jrkirby wanted to go out and join them.

Wandering outside, the world was a blaze of colour and shimmering textures. Neat. There were a bunch of fatties in the street, swaying around and having a good time. There was one in a nice floral dress... pretty sure that dude over there's totally naked. jrkirby was just in his underwear, because why not.

A herd of kangeroos trampled by. Odd.

Suddenly someone pointed at him. "Ermahgerrrrd," they said. "Look at him! He's a skinny!"

jrkirbly looked down. Shit! He was a skinny! Why did he come outside? Why was that monkey looking at him funny?

"Ermahgerrrrrrrrrrrrrd" shouted everyone else. "What's that about? SQUIIIIIIIIIISH IT!"

And with that they all piled on to jrkirby, squishing him in a horrible mess.

It was only the next day when the citizens stumbled out of their beds, still in a daze, did they realise quite what they'd done in their drug-addled state.

jrkirby, Couch Potato, was lynched!

+ Show Spoiler [Final Vote Count] +

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

TheRavensname (2) ~~Obzy~~, Rainbows, ~~Obzy~~, ~~Smancer~~, Moloch

Rainbows (2) ~~Smancer~~, ~~TheRavensName~~, Warent, TheRavensName

jrkirby (5) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder, ~~Smancer~~, ~~Obzy~~, Fishgle, Obzy, Smancer

JarJarDrinks (1) ~~Obzy~~ jrkirby

Moloch (0) ~~Smancer~~, ~~TheRavensName~~, ~~Obzy~~

Fishgle (0) ~~Fishgle~~

Not Voting:

jrkirby was lynched!

It is now Night 2, you have just under 24 hours to get your actions into ALL your hosts.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

April 11 2013 18:41 GMT

#935

On April 12 2013 03:33 Smancer wrote:
Warent gets a couple votes then these guys hop on? There is too much to risk today for a mislynch and they just post 2 lines and hop on bored.

I didn't just jump on him. I've thought he was scum for a while now.

My original case against Warrent:

On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Warent looks pretty bad to me too. On day 1 he tries to twist rainbows words and (mafia 101) makes a big deal out nothing:

Show nested quote +

On April 06 2013 02:15 Warent wrote:

On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote:

On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:

A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it.

I was not providing a summary of events in the thread - I was summing up your actions. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, no worries, hopefully this will make things more clear.

##Vote Rainbow

As far as policies goes, this is my opinion: we should not lynch people based on whims, misinterpretations or lies.
Rainbows third, so called, case against Saraf is completely based on either an obvious misinterpretation or a lie.

Saraf:

even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")

Rainbow:

I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town.

Rainbow:

Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing.

Saraf has never called Rainbow town. Even if does NOT equal probably town! Rainbow must know this.

I don't think this is a misinterpretation, I think this is Rainbow trying to create something out of nothing. Most likely reason the obvious one - he is scum. And he's not helping himself when he refuses to explain his own action but rather continue to accuse others.

You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things.

Saraf literally said: EVEN IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED. Your defence is lawlzy, please try harder.

He did. And you are trying to make Even if you are into probably are. These are two very different statements. What reasons do you have for twisting the meaning like that, unless you are trying to promote a miss-lynch?

On April 06 2013 08:23 Warent wrote:

On April 06 2013 08:01 Fishgle wrote:
jarjar needs to stop lurking and explain his vote. i also want to see TheRavensName, jampidampi, and Moloch post more so I can get better reads on them.

However, the more i look at Warent's entrance though, the scummier it looks. He gets mad at Rainbows for questioning him and then casts an emotional vote, despite not having any evidence. I think Rainbows was just throwing out votes to create discussion. Warent however, seems dead set on lynching rainbows, and argues semantics.

Now, there's an interesting back'n'forth between rainbow and warent. The most interesting thing about it is that while rainbows is defending his vote, warent instead is defending saraf. What I think happened is that rainbows blindfired, got a lucky hit on a skinny (saraf), and then warent came in to try to defend his skinny exercise buddy. It doesn't help that Saraf is so anti-"spam". Obzy has posted just as much as rainbows, and i don't see anyone complaining that he's "spamming". Discussion is useful. What are we supposed to do, chit chat about nothing while the skinnys kill us off? True, some of rainbow's posts have been less substantial than i would have liked, but he got some discussion going. I don't think that's anything to get lynched over.

I enter with a suspicion and I provided a case. As far as evidence go: I caught rainbow trying to to push towards a lynch based on a misinterpretation that has been pointed out to him several times - yet he argues that his interpretation is the correct one. Why are you ignoring what I wrote in that post?

Cute theory.

Need to sleep now.

On April 06 2013 17:00 Warent wrote:
Obzy,

Before we forget about this: My initial concern was not about his first post. It was the lie (?) in this post that caught my attention: + Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=8#148

. A lie/misinterpretation you seem to be completely okey with? Even though you later point at the same post at Sarafs and say it yourself - it even wasn't about Rain + Show Spoiler +

Obzy: I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post?

Up until know you've been careful, but now you've decided TRN is a good lynch target - why? Any other reason than Meta stuff? You think Rains case against him is good, care to elaborate some?

On April 06 2013 17:02 Warent wrote:
Clarification: the same post Rain was misinterpreting of Sarafs and you seem to interpret it like most others.

Man is he harping on that one post that rainbows made. And what better way to try to solidify that case? Kill Saraf and have him flip green.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 18:48 GMT

#936

Lets look at the voting patterns.

Smancer Day 1: Rainbows (joke) -> jkirby -> jamp
Smancer Day 2: Rainbows -> Moloch -> jkirby -> TRN -> Jkirby
Smancer Day 3: none

Raven Day 1: Rainbows
Raven Day 2: Rainbows -> Moloch -> Rainbows
Raven Day 3: Warrent

Now lets look at you two:

JJD Day 1: jikriby
JJD Day 2: jkirby
JJD Day 3: Warrent

NW Day 1: jkirby
NW Day 2: jkirby
JJD Day 3 Warrent

I'm sorry, it is apples and oranges. Yours are identical.

nobodywonder

United States848 Posts

April 11 2013 18:55 GMT

#937

lol, cool Smancer, so you happen to notice an interesting voting pattern... so alright gimme an analysis, and tell who should town lynch: me, jjd or both?

also who would my scumbuddies be? or jjd's scumbuddies? or if we both are scum, then who's the last scumbuddy?

also at this point, warent is the most likely scum, then why do you not want to lynch him? Why do you think he is town?

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 19:11 GMT

#938

How is warrent the most likely to be scum? Was it Jarjars amazing case that put you over the top:

On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Warent looks pretty bad to me too. On day 1 he tries to twist rainbows words and (mafia 101) makes a big deal out nothing:

Show nested quote +

On April 06 2013 02:15 Warent wrote:

On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote:

On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:

A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it.

even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")

Rainbow:

I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town.

Rainbow:

Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing.

You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things.

Saraf literally said: EVEN IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED. Your defence is lawlzy, please try harder.

On April 06 2013 08:23 Warent wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=8#148

. A lie/misinterpretation you seem to be completely okey with? Even though you later point at the same post at Sarafs and say it yourself - it even wasn't about Rain + Show Spoiler +

Up until know you've been careful, but now you've decided TRN is a good lynch target - why? Any other reason than Meta stuff? You think Rains case against him is good, care to elaborate some?

On April 06 2013 17:02 Warent wrote:
Clarification: the same post Rain was misinterpreting of Sarafs and you seem to interpret it like most others.

Man is he harping on that one post that rainbows made. And what better way to try to solidify that case? Kill Saraf and have him flip green.

Wow, amazing detailed analysis.

Maybe it was Ravens detailed case:

On April 12 2013 01:39 TheRavensName wrote:
Very well Mr Rainbows. I don't like how War got away without much scrutiney for the same things I was doing, I don't like how he was acting Last night and didn't scrutinize something that has morepotential scum motivations then that bad medic claim,ut, and I don't like how hes posted so little and hasn't at least pushed something like NW or JarJar did, so I will throw my vote onto him, and you are more then welcomed to tear it apart or get him to talk. Or whatever you want to do. I posted my thoughts on Rainbows already, and if I like what War has added and not what Rainbows has after lurking so long, I will swap around.
##Vote: Warent
Good hunting Gentlemen.

Was the part where he said he'll just throw his vote onto him, or the part where he said he will swap around. Yup to me that screems Warrent must be scum. NO chance of a mislynch here.

Oh, perhaps rainbows has something to add:

On April 11 2013 09:32 Rainbows wrote:
Warent is scum.

My best guess for scumteam is Warent / NW / TRN.

##Vote: Warent
.

Thats it, none of the rest of the post has any analysis on warrent.

So here is my point:

I just want you to remember if we misslynch tonight then we lose. There has to be a better case made against warrent today before I vote for him.

And all I am doing is strarting to do what I said I was going to do. I am scumhunting, I am looking for leads and evidennce. I said yesterday we should analyze:

1) The Raven vs Rainbows discourse. (see my posts earlier today prodding them)
2) The vote counts for D1 and D2 (All I have found here is what I just posted connecting you and jarjar)
3) Obzys Medic Claim (he's dead now not much to follow up with him)

I am doing what I said I wanted to do.

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

April 11 2013 19:18 GMT

#939

VOTE COUNT:

Warent (4) ~~Rainbows~~, Rainbows, TheRavensName, JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder

No-Lynch (1) ~~Rainbows~~, Moloch, ~~Warent~~

Not Voting: Smancer, Fishgle, Warent

Deadline is in 28.5 hours. Voting is mandatory.

Currently Warent is Set to be lynchend!

If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

nobodywonder

United States848 Posts

April 11 2013 19:23 GMT

#940

^^ i like you response, Smancer. Yep, JJD and TRN are quite eager to get Warrents. I suppose I too am a bit too eager.

I still think Warents is scum, but I will make a case to make you satisfied. I do believe Warents will be a good lynch. That said, I do realize I dun goofed day 2, so I will make sure my reasoning is good. I'll do it later tonight, but I'll definitely get to it.

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