Prize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 47

On November 01 2011 06:49 Primadog wrote:
reddit got you covered with Pro posts http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lv9cq/prize_money_in_starcraft_2/c2vvzw0

On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote:

I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol.

On November 01 2011 07:46 jorge_the_awesome wrote:


Have you ever tried? I know nothing about law in Norway, though.

On November 01 2011 07:48 mYNDIG wrote:


We tried (more as a joke though.) when we got a big check from a company sponsoring our school trip a few years back. We were told that we had to come back with the real check, that this was just for show, etc etc etc.

On November 01 2011 07:01 quakerix wrote:


Thank you. I'm extremely surprised that aTnCloud already posted about ESWC not paying out just a few days after the event. We didn't even finish up logistically and this event is already listed in this topic.

Ok, i can imagine that because of the previous company going bankrupt the brand had some damage. But posting this before even contacting us is a bit harsh towards the new owners. Last year they paid out just a few weeks after the event and now we didn't even had the chance.

You could have contacted us in 100 ways, your management has direct contacts with us, you could have replied to your invite email you could have even gone to our website and look up contact information.

Anyway; i messaged you privately and i also already replied to you in the ESWC topic a few days earlier.

Give us a break and we'll contact you as soon as possible.



We had 100k simultaneous viewers as peak during our weekend and there were about 1500 people watching games at the stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Don't worry about the fact that ESWC wasn't a success. It was.

On November 01 2011 07:37 Iselian wrote:
As the professional SC2 scene continues to grow at such an enormous rate, no doubt tournament organizers and sponsors are looking to keep what money they can, even from the pro players who "only are playing games" or some such. While I do think a governing body would be best, something that initiates contracts for players, leagues, teams and events, it's something that has to be done *very* carefully.

Players and teams would have to have all their contracts made legally binding over an international sense. EU players who sign up with NA teams, KR players on EU teams, etc, wouldn't want to be held back by multiple agencies for multiple regions and countries. The contracts of course go without saying to be not unlike any "mainstream" athletic sport contract we know of today. Specific rules may be required in each contract by the agency, but that might not be necessary.

Leagues and the agency would have to come to a set of legally binding rules based on payment, organization, and what exactly qualifies a league. The last part would be the largest, and I think the biggest obstacle for now. With the explosion of leagues and events this last year, there are too many smaller groups who compete for the grand coverage that MLG, GSL, IPL, etc receive. I think it would come down to a designation of large, "official" leagues and events that are bound to the agency's rules (both of organization and payment), and "unofficial" leagues and events that are self-run and participated in at a bit of risk.

Sponsors would have to treat the aforementioned "official" leagues and events with a great deal of respect and knowledge that you already see in "mainstream" athletic sports. The agency would have to be given the power to step in and legally pursue debts from the sponsors. This would likely lead to a requirement for a paper trail from the sponsors to the leagues and events, but all under the eye of the agency.



The hardest part, I think, would be having everyone agree on an agency's structure and powers, that would not favor any particular leagues or regions. It would be a very, very fine line to walk, and I'm not sure it could be done just yet. In time, however.

Until then, I really do wish there was a way that, in a simple form, players could sign a contract agreeing to participate and in return, that same contract could be used to guarantee earned payment via placement.

On November 01 2011 07:25 iNcontroL wrote:


hmm kinda odd to call you out on this but the thread starter is ClouD.. formerly ToT)Cloud( from BW and various other top teams in that time. Tyler has chimed in.. a player from BW as well who has played for a decade. IdrA, myself.. the list kind of goes on.

It seems unwise to write this entire thread off and basically call everyone SC2 newbs. To make matters worse you are kind of suggesting that people should be appreciative that ESL pays at all.. and that it used to be "held in high regard" as if that makes it ok to be late?

The best and really the ONLY reply possible is "hey sorry, there is a lot of redtape and we are aware it isn't optimal but we are doing our best" or something along those lines. Not "shutup at least we pay you sc2 novices!"

On November 01 2011 07:47 Nizzy wrote:


Your post is very ignorant and I will prove that with facts.

Your post in my opinion is very stupid and IPL doesn't deserve those comments.

First off if you had any idea of the scene in SC2 and all the events IPL is a top 3 if not the best overall. Number 1 in production. In a recent interview they lost a shit ton of money (6 figs range) and didn't think anything of it because it was simply for the fucking good of eSports.

You're obviously going off of IdrA's situation, so lets talk about it. They probably have on their books right now that a check was written/issued out to him. He just never got it and they are looking into it as in tracing it as we speak. They might have already just issued another one as IGN.Joshy already touched upon this.

Do you have any idea or understanding of how large organizations work? This isn't 1998. IGN isn't your little cheat website for nintendo 64 anymore. They're multi million dollar organization. They can't just throw money at something and not account for it. All the production value they put into these events takes time to set up, even the winning prize money. They seem to do things right, so maybe one of the things they will address is paying players on winning day.

Like they also said, there isn't just some guy in a room with XXXXXX money ready to pay out. IPL comes from IGN. They must get things approved. As a pro gamer in this thread already stated 90 days for such a big prize pool is reasonable.

Nobody cares if you don't decide to not turn on IPL again, however I guarantee you the large majority of the community loves IPL as they continually improve and host the best events. I don't see how the average SC2 fan can agree with your post.

On November 01 2011 06:32 ProBot wrote:
John i understand where your coming from and what your point of view is, however it is NO EXCUSE for having to wait up to even 3 months for prizes. You run a business ... great then you should know what budgeting is. If a tournament ( especially ones that are aware of tardiness from certain sponsors ) know they will be getting sponsorship money late then they should have theprize money as part of their overall production budget, especially larger lan tournaments.

There's no excuse for them not to, the tournament organizers are the ones in contract with the sponsorships for the money ... not the players, so even if the tournament pays out of pocket to the players and the sponsors bail, at least the tournament themselves can get the money eventually via legal measures.

It's common sense and should be common practice, especially for the high profile tournaments. You shouldn't be advertising X amount of dollars for a prize when in reality your just praying the sponsors to come through with it. It's just shitty business practice, you seem to think it's the norm and in some situations it is, but in the end it doesn't have to be, it's just laziness.

On November 01 2011 07:50 aike wrote:


IPL 3 live event... all of their live crew, payment to the casino, and any other equipment/services they needed for the event got paid for BEFORE SERVICES WERE RENDERED guaranteed. So why can't players expect to be paid at the same fking time? It's not like they didn't know the amount of money they were giving out before hand... "$100,000 to first place!" ok so set aside $100k BEFORE the event.

On November 01 2011 07:53 mYNDIG wrote:


I think the major problem is that they don't know who will win etc.
They know who should be paid for the other work, because that is settled already.

On November 01 2011 07:50 aike wrote:
IPL 3 live event... all of their live crew, payment to the casino, and any other equipment/services they needed for the event got paid for BEFORE SERVICES WERE RENDERED guaranteed. So why can't players expect to be paid at the same fking time? It's not like they didn't know the amount of money they were giving out before hand... "$100,000 to first place!" ok so set aside $100k BEFORE the event.

On November 01 2011 07:49 Teiwaz wrote:If you take a brand, you take either EVERYTHING or NOTHING. So stop whining about people still combining ESWC with shitty tournament organisation

On November 01 2011 07:56 Nizzy wrote:


I don't know all the details but personally if I won a 25k tournament I wouldn't just want to walk out of the building with a real 25k check. I would want this to be done after the tournament, probably sent to me securely after the event.

IPL isn't just going to punch in bank account numbers as the 1st/2nd/3rd placements come down. I'm not sure how it works and how MLG does it. However right now I get paid as per a contracted position and it doesn't bother me that I work now and I might get paid for it 1-2 months in the future.

I can see the problems, however 90 days for such high $$$ isn't the worst thing ever. Anything over 3 months I will agree is the cut off and is pushing it. Like I already said in my response, surely IPL/IGN might be able to make some changes in the future to make it better for the players.

However that guy literally took his pants off and shit on IPL which just isn't acceptable. I've been nothing but beyond pleased with their events and I think they're a top 3 organization/ in the WORLD in terms of SC2 Tournaments, with GSL/MLG.

On November 01 2011 07:58 hytonight wrote:
blizzard should be helping out here