EPTUI still sub-par 2 years later. Why don't we care? - Page 42
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canucks12
Canada812 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:12 Inori wrote: I'm afraid that only way to make blizzard get out of their asses and do something about these issues is a good competition. Dota2 has very good UI (bnet 0.2 is retarded stepchild compared to it), but it's another genre, sadly. I may very well spend a good amount of time on Dota2. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:02 Shockk wrote: It's great if B.Net 2.0 works for you, and if you like the new chat and the display of build orders, alright. Just fair. But what about the rest? What about the lack of replay watching? Auto-tournaments? The restrictive custom map enviroment? The long menu loading times? The vague league system? The lack of clan support? The general feeling of the UI? You can't tell me that you're fine with all of those features missing. You may not care for some of them, I realize that, but I'm 100% certain there's at least one or two features among those that would make your personal SC2 experience a better one, and which you're missing out on right here, right now. What do you mean...by lack of replay watching? I watch a lot of replays...i see no problem with that. I know people want to watch replays together...well thats not an needed feature for me. Auto-Tournaments? I am not really sure what do you mean by this...i think you mean that option that was in wc3 battle.net? Am i right? For Sc2 i think there are a ton of Tournaments and Cups and most of them are pretty good organised without battle.net support. An active community will always find its way. :-) Regarding Custom Map support... i can say that iam not interested at all...i only play ladder and cups. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On February 09 2012 03:02 cutler wrote: What do you mean...by lack of replay watching? I watch a lot of replays...i see no problem with that. I know people want to watch replays together...well thats not an needed feature for me. Auto-Tournaments? I am not really sure what do you mean by this...i think you mean that option that was in wc3 battle.net? Am i right? For Sc2 i think there are a ton of Tournaments and Cups and most of them are pretty good organised without battle.net support. An active community will always find its way. :-) Regarding Custom Map support... i can say that iam not interested at all...i only play ladder and cups. In SC and WC3 you could watch replays with other people through B.Net. It's a huge feature. Auto-tourneys were in WC3 and were extremely useful. Why force people to use an external system when they already had such a system in place almost a decade ago? If you're happy with mediocrity, good for you. | ||
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RoyalCheese
Czech Republic745 Posts
On February 09 2012 03:10 Mazer wrote: The money I save from not buying HotS will go to purchasing hats in DotA 2. It's makes me a little sad but I kinda feel the same way. | ||
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Parnass
Germany145 Posts
On February 09 2012 03:02 cutler wrote: What do you mean...by lack of replay watching? I watch a lot of replays...i see no problem with that. I know people want to watch replays together...well thats not an needed feature for me. Auto-Tournaments? I am not really sure what do you mean by this...i think you mean that option that was in wc3 battle.net? Am i right? For Sc2 i think there are a ton of Tournaments and Cups and most of them are pretty good organised without battle.net support. An active community will always find its way. :-) Regarding Custom Map support... i can say that iam not interested at all...i only play ladder and cups. But how would Bnet improvement hinder you? not at all. You sound like a person who says: "Who needs cars, I can get everywhere I want with a horse!" You don't have to support our demand of improvement, but you lose nothing by it. So why did you comment again? I personally find ALL the features requested to be very important. | ||
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Gwypaas
Sweden41 Posts
On February 09 2012 03:02 cutler wrote: What do you mean...by lack of replay watching? I watch a lot of replays...i see no problem with that. I know people want to watch replays together...well thats not an needed feature for me. Auto-Tournaments? I am not really sure what do you mean by this...i think you mean that option that was in wc3 battle.net? Am i right? For Sc2 i think there are a ton of Tournaments and Cups and most of them are pretty good organised without battle.net support. An active community will always find its way. :-) Regarding Custom Map support... i can say that iam not interested at all...i only play ladder and cups. You very nicely ignored the subject of clan/guild support, is that not something you want? Be able to join a clan/guild and find practice partners or just dick around with like-minded people while the different clan channels acts as social hubs where people from many different clans within the same niche comes and goes. Doesn't that sound awesome? Well... at least we got a half-assed implementation of chat channels that a company that really cares about their fans could shit out in a day or two and then get hated for because it doesn't live up to the standards of said company. Yes we had that in WC3. (Never played SC:BW) | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
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Gwypaas
Sweden41 Posts
On February 09 2012 04:26 wunsun wrote: You know what's frustrating... the lack of any comment regarding to this topic on the Blizzard forums. They have people reading their forums, and Shock did a beautiful write up which is linked from the Blizz forums. I feel that we should at least had some sort of response by now. The lack of response just shows that they don't have a response that will even remotely fulfill what we demand and just hopes that this will blow over and then that we either way will go and buy D3 and HotS so they make their money. This is just disgusting. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On February 09 2012 04:32 Gwypaas wrote: The lack of response just shows that they don't have a response that will even remotely fulfill what we demand and just hopes that this will blow over and then that we either way will go and buy D3 and HotS so they make their money. This is just disgusting. Best(IE hurts the most) way to protest is to simply not buy it... but we all now thats easier said than done =( | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
On February 09 2012 04:48 aderum wrote: Best(IE hurts the most) way to protest is to simply not buy it... but we all now thats easier said than done =( The game itself is great; just that the system doesn't make us want to play it as much as it could be. | ||
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iloveav
Poland1484 Posts
On February 09 2012 04:32 Gwypaas wrote: The lack of response just shows that they don't have a response that will even remotely fulfill what we demand and just hopes that this will blow over and then either way go and buy D3 and HotS so they make their money. This is just disgusting. Of course they dont. If they told us the reasons, we probably would hate them even more than we already do. ( hate as beeing pissed off i guess ). To fully understand this situation, you need to put yourself in blizzards position. You must understand that Blizzard cannot allow a game to survive 2 long. If it does, they dont get new income from another game they will make. Here comes the first mistake: If they make a game like starcraft 1 or diablo 1, they are almost certainly guaranteed to sell their next titles. The reason is a huge respect for the company as a gaming industry, making it more likely to buy their games rather than others. However, if we talk about a community like we had in diablo 1 or sc:bw, its a small load to the servers, so its a small cost. In the starcraft 2 the cost of servers is consistently higher, and since there is no LAN (anti piracy maybe, but more likely for monitoring their gaming community), players have no way to play it out of battle.net. Now lets assume that sc2 life is about to end beeing a "profit" in monetary form for blizzard. What then the company wants is to shut down those servers or migrate them to something "new/pay for play". However (and here is the key concept), if you have a huge community playing that game, you cant shut down the servers, because even if in terms of agreement you specify this eventuality, 5.000.000 angry gamers will have a huge impact in your next game sales. Those 5 million might translate into 50k very bad opinions on internet, and that might "persuade" a potential customer not to buy their next title. Now, lets assume, that you create a bad UI, unfriendly, and loag loading each key you press, you get those 5 million down to barely 100.000 gamers left active. Now you close the servers for that game (or leave a small, lagging one), and you get 1k bad opinions online. Then you simply overflow the "bad" opinions with reviews, your own webpages, or simply information about your next title. You will have a much higher chance to quiet down 1k ppl than 50k. A simple example: "Alcampo" is a shopping center that in spain has had NO internet interest at all for a huge ammount of time. Because of where i worked before, i saw first hand what happens you "you, the company" have no movement on the internet: People do it for you, the way they want. If you search "Alcampo" in youtube, nowdays (after the campaign Alcampo did), the first things you see are something posted to have a "ok" image on internet. Before, the top video was a dude that was using a plastic bag of "alcampo" to lose weight. You can imagine that even with absolutelty nothing to do with the store, it actually impacted the store very negativly. (Btw now its on the 7th spot in the youtube search). Same shit here, just more complex. About Pros, or casters: Its obvious they cant bite the hand that is feeding them. "WE" (the regular players) have the luxury to comment on this freely, but they might lose a lot because of this. (remmber when Naniwa probe rushed some zerg and lost his code S seed?) Now, the question we should ask ourselves: Is there any way we can influence Blizzard to change their approach? If there is, How to? And do we really want to do it?. 1: There is always a way, just it might require us to have strong principles ( like not buying the game until they show they solved this issue, and we would have to do it by the millions), or commitment. 2: Hard spamming a a twitter account for 1 month by about 70% of the guys that are following anyone from blizzard related to the matter could do the trick. Or creating a good amount of negative blog/threads about this. 3: Thats what everyone has to decide, but i am quite sure that without a form of "agreement" from everyone, most people will think the same way people who dont vote for politics think: If only i do it, it wont have any effect, and i only will only look like a loner who just rage talks. At least this is my opinion :D. | ||
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Fog-of-War
United States103 Posts
They have the resources to make it this insanely good game. MAKE IT HAPPEN. | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:44 canucks12 wrote: I may very well spend a good amount of time on Dota2. It's GG for Blizzard when Valve develops an SC-ish RTS. I can imagine the entire Blizz SC2 community moving into a Valve "SC2" game if it is to happen and if Blizzard keeps up with their laziness to actually make some improvements on the UI that should have been in the game years ago. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
On February 09 2012 05:07 Fog-of-War wrote: So true. BLIZZARD STEP UP. They have the resources to make it this insanely good game. MAKE IT HAPPEN. I Second this. Blizzard. do something. Now. | ||
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godly-cheese
United States67 Posts
On February 09 2012 05:12 Zanazuah wrote: I Second this. Blizzard. do something. Now. Please? :3 | ||
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Gwypaas
Sweden41 Posts
On February 09 2012 04:55 wunsun wrote: The game itself is great; just that the system doesn't make us want to play it as much as it could be. And that's the heart of the problem, we all love the actually playing of the game but it grows boring and tedious when the system you use to play it is antisocial and lowers the replayability. When I bought SC2 I expected something close to the satisfaction WC3 gave me, which was 5 years of having that as my main game while hopping around a bit on other games without any IRL friends playing it really. SC2 on the contrary lasted 3 months of playing and 2 months of randomly playing but with the main difference that we were a bunch of IRL friends and that I had my WC3 friends playing with me. Everyone ended up quitting within half a year. The most hilarious part of this is that I still watch the tournaments and keep up with the game because the game itself is awesome, but I can't for all the willpower in the world start up SC2 and actually play it. | ||
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iloveav
Poland1484 Posts
On February 09 2012 05:13 Gwypaas wrote: And that's the heart of the problem, we all love the actually playing of the game but it grows boring and tedious when the system you use to play it is antisocial and lowers the replayability. When I bought SC2 I expected something close to the satisfaction WC3 gave me, which was 5 years of having that as my main game while hopping around a bit on other games without any IRL friends playing it really. SC2 on the contrary lasted 3 months of playing and 2 months of randomly playing but with the main difference that we were a bunch of IRL friends and that I had my WC3 friends playing with me. Everyone ended up quitting within half a year. The most hilarious part of this is that I still watch the tournaments and keep up with the game because the game itself is awesome, but I can't for all the willpower in the world start up SC2 and actually play it. Same here... | ||
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