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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
edit: i'll do it. hopefully wax will add it to the front page Poll: Do you approve of MLG's decision? Yes (they should play on NA server) (43) No (they should play on KR server) (32) 75 total votes Your vote: Do you approve of MLG's decision? (Vote): Yes (they should play on NA server) | ||
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Pik
Germany176 Posts
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:17 Pik wrote: page 22 had one oh, i see it now. | ||
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Bumblebee
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote: I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol I've been saying this exact thing for hours now. People are more focused on bashing players who chose NA than seeing good games. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote: I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol People are mad that koreans are in the WCS America and they want them to be somehow penalized. Stupid I know, but yeah | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
either way, everyone's gonna keep arguing about this until the match eventually happens and then we'll all forget about it/complain for another 5 days and then forget about it. i stand by my previous post: On May 01 2013 22:17 29 fps wrote: unless there is a terrible difference in ping or major lag because of the distance, i highly doubt this will affect the game overall. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:19 Sated wrote: It's actually the same subject since MVP just played in WCS EU with quite a bit of lag. Should the whole game have been moved to NA (Siw was in EU, MVP was in KR) to give the players the best conditions even though 6 streams worth of casters would have to bounce around (and some of those casters have been lagging games held on EU, so I don't want to know how bad they would be on NA). Rules need to be simple and enforceable. You can't define a point where it is easier for the casters to move or the players to move, because you can't define how much they're going to lag each other (if at all). The firm stance MLG have set out makes a lot more sense than trying to decide things on a case-by-case basis... This is different in that Siw actually lives in EU and Mvp doesn't. It's completely fair to give Mvp the disadvantage of playing on EU in this case. In Major vs HerO, there's actually no disadvantages given to anybody. Both would play with the same latency. The only ones who suffer are YOU AND ME AND US because the game quality will be lower. | ||
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Pik
Germany176 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote: I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol a few matches would suffer, yes. But overall a smoother tournament is more important to me? | ||
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delayed reflex
Canada358 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote: I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol As I posted earlier: IMO, it's not exactly the same for them to play on the KR server than to play on the NA server - one of them might be better in high latency situations than the other, hence would have a relative advantage if they both played on NA vs. on KR. For example, lets say on KR, Player 1 > Player 2, but Player 2 is better at playing in high-latency situations than Player 1 such that on NA Player 1 = Player 2. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the players to play on the NA server since that is what they were prepared to do in the first place anyway (ie. play in high-latency conditions). | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:21 Pik wrote: a few matches would suffer, yes. But overall a smoother tournament is more important to me? Logistically, switching servers takes about 10 seconds. I think a single commercial covers that. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:21 29 fps wrote: i think it's the principle... either way, everyone's gonna keep arguing about this until the match eventually happens and then we'll all forget about it/complain for another 5 days and then forget about it. i stand by my previous post: yeah why would we expect there to be lag in a game where both players have to connect to servers from literally across the globe? lmfao this thread is so funny. | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:21 Pik wrote: a few matches would suffer, yes. But overall a smoother tournament is more important to me? You as a fan would not notice the difference. The people who will notice a difference is the casters getting a 30 second shorter break to login to another server. Nothing should be changed for you. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:18 Bumblebee wrote: I don't even see why anyone of you would vote for they should be playing on NA server. Ultimately, it's you guys who are suffering. The players would be on equal latency, but the overall game quality is lower than what it would be on the Korean server. It just gives you a worse experience, how are you voting for that as a fan lol Because of basic fairness? Because you don't make mid-season rule changes like that just for certain players? I'm sure Apocalypse would have loved to play his TvZ yesterday on Korea instead of NA but he went along with the tournament rules. Now if we change this is he allowed to ask to re-do his series? Raise this issue between the seasons to get the rules changed for future ones but when the rule has already forced Koreans to play Koreans on NA you can't get special exemptions. | ||
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Terrestrialrage
United States122 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:19 Sated wrote: It's actually the same subject since MVP just played in WCS EU with quite a bit of lag. Should the whole game have been moved to NA (Siw was in EU, MVP was in KR) to give the players the best conditions even though 6 streams worth of casters would have to bounce around (and some of those casters have been lagging games held on EU, so I don't want to know how bad they would be on NA)? Rules need to be simple and enforceable. You can't define a point where it is easier for the casters to move or the players to move, because you can't define how much they're going to lag each other (if at all). The firm stance MLG have set out makes a lot more sense than trying to decide things on a case-by-case basis... i responded to your posts because you had a terrible perception of how lag affects games. the quality of the games will not be negatively affected (compared to the opposite situation) if major and hero play on the korean server due to observers / admins being located (reasonably) far from the server. edit: too your other point, it wouldn't be hard to come up with a more sensible set of rules on this than what seems to be the current set if your goal is to maximize quality for the viewers (this should be your goal, mlg's goal is to make as much money as they can). | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On May 02 2013 01:35 Bumblebee wrote: I mean, I can understand some of the inherent confusion on this, but perhaps a staff html page on .net and pro would help solve the confusion (like plainly showing who is affiliated with what)? I actually always wondered why TL didn't have a staff page to know who did what (I know there's one on LP but it seems an odd iteration there).I don't know why that is not acceptable. The team and the website is two different things, two different companies owned by the same person. We happen to share a brand and yes, you are right, we are here together but as stated in my post just above this one it was brought to our attention, but WaxAngel is completely free to do what he thinks is suitable as the editor in chief and for the community site side. If he wants to report and call people out, then that's his thing. I am not or don't want to be responsible for that. | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:24 Terrestrialrage wrote: By allowing them to play on KR, you open up a slippery slope to just becoming WCS KR v2. Then next season, when its 75% Koreans, they all play on KR server too, then next season its 95% Koreans etc. Its a regional deterrent, and I fully agree with it. Quality of games is not the issue here, regional protection is. I personally am glad that Blizzard had the foresight to understand this and are sticking to their rules. Regional protection should not be done by enforcing worse game quality by having two Koreans play on a foreign server. They should be done by region locking or force people to be residents of the actual continent they're competing in. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 02 2013 02:24 Terrestrialrage wrote: By allowing them to play on KR, you open up a slippery slope to just becoming WCS KR v2. Then next season, when its 75% Koreans, they all play on KR server too, then next season its 95% Koreans etc. Its a regional deterrent, and I fully agree with it. Quality of games is not the issue here, regional protection is. I personally am glad that Blizzard had the foresight to understand this and are sticking to their rules. Playing on a different server has about absolutely nothing to do with regional production. It's not like everything would be affected. Ro16 and beyond are offline anyway. What you're talking about is a different question. | ||
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