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On July 19 2011 22:15 prplhz wrote:
redFF defended supersoft on a hunch.
I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean.
Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this:
RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers.
Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking?
disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon
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On July 19 2011 22:22 Pyo wrote:
He's been spammy, which while not good town behavior doesn't mean he's mafia. In fact, I'm almost inclined to think that there's no way mafia would spam like that as it almost invites a policy lynch, but that's a little too WIFOM to conclude anything. As I've said before, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. This is also my first PM game so it is a little harder to judge things given that many posts are likely in response to or a direct consequence of some PM conversations. Once flips start happening it'll be easier/more reasonable to start drawing conclusions.
Your post could not have been more empty and worthless. How about giving us some something real. The game has been going on for 36 and you have no suspicions whatsoever?
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On July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:
I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean.
Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this:
RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers.
Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking?
disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon
Is RoL lurking or is he straight not playing? There is a big difference. Right now he is on pace to be mod killed. So why vote for him? If he comes in and posts a couple times just to slide by then I agree but right now voting for him is a waste.
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RoL is not one to get modkilled.
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There are a few people saying that having more than 1 candidate for a lynch on D1 is not good since it creates chaos. On one hand, it is not good to have 6-8 major candidates as it allows scum to cherry pick townies to lynch. But on the other hand, having just a single candidate allows scum to lay back and just have the bandwagon lead them to victory. In that regard, we should keep an eye on early voters on super-soft who after the initial vote on him have disappeared from the thread. Imo, it would be have 2-3 candidates heading into a lynch since if we can get an actual scum there, it would force the mafia to come out of the hiding and protect their members.
Regarding my thought on current major front runners:
(1) Supersoft
I have posted my thoughts on him earlier. He has shown some scum-slips but nothing that paints him 100% scum. We should not read too much into his outburst followed by major rationale posts later on. It can be frustrated townie or scum trying to appear such and thus it is a null-team.
@supersoft - The biggest problem I have with your behavior is your arbitrary finger pointing. So far you have accused ketomai and prphlz on flimsy grounds just because some else made a note of them. This doesn't sound good/pro-town play to me.
(2) redFF
His play has been generally spammy which I didn't find too different from his PTP play where his town play wasn't stellar either. I haven't played many games with him or seen many of his games on TL-mafia and I was surprised when Coag referred to him as a vet. The major suspicion I see against him is that he defended supersoft. In that case, two possibilities can arise:
(a) supersoft is town - In this case why would scum go out of his way to defend a sure-shot lynch townie. The reasonable possibility is scum trying to gain town cred but that is possibly the only reason.
reFF being townie and defending supersoft has a problem that redFF marks supersoft as clear townie w/o providing any rationale.
(b) supersoft in scum - In this case, it can be scum trying to protect scum. Frankly, this situation seems more unlikely to me since redFF is trying to save supersoft while supersoft is trying to throw redFF under the bus by posting his PMs.
My most likely interpretation of the situation is either one of redFF and supersoft are scum and they have different alignments. This makes both of them prime candidates for the lynch.
3. Pyo
His self vote abstain is suspicious in the light that his vote will not be game changer at the time he voted. Even his didn't believe that supersoft was scum, he should have found some other candidate to vote for which he found suspicious. He is also a potential lynch candidate but not as strong as the other two.
There are several other people like Nisani who are showing odd behavior but they are probably no good for D1 lynch as we have multiple candidates to discuss already.
I am going to vote for supersoft since both him and redFF are equally likely to be scum imo. Supersoft's flip provides information on redFF while the opposite doesn't seem likely. Also, his posting inconsistencies, lies, and random incoherent FoSing doesn't bode well with me.
#Vote: supersoft
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On July 19 2011 22:38 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:
I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean.
Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this:
RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers.
Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking?
disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon Is RoL lurking or is he straight not playing? There is a big difference. Right now he is on pace to be mod killed. So why vote for him? If he comes in and posts a couple times just to slide by then I agree but right now voting for him is a waste.
It only takes a few posts to skate by a mod kill. He's been quiet, who knows if he's been hanging out in PM land.
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+ Show Spoiler +LinkOn July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean. Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this: RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers.Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking? disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon
Yea town lynches people who look guilty. I'm not going against supersoft that bandwagon as that was obviously too easy. I already did take a look at RebirthOfLegend (you know, I kinda voted him as the only one I think). But voting for RebirthOfLegend will not make him talk as he is obviously not here. If he's not here tomorrow then I hope we will take it up again.
+ Show Spoiler +LinkOn July 19 2011 22:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:22 Pyo wrote:
He's been spammy, which while not good town behavior doesn't mean he's mafia. In fact, I'm almost inclined to think that there's no way mafia would spam like that as it almost invites a policy lynch, but that's a little too WIFOM to conclude anything. As I've said before, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. This is also my first PM game so it is a little harder to judge things given that many posts are likely in response to or a direct consequence of some PM conversations. Once flips start happening it'll be easier/more reasonable to start drawing conclusions. Your post could not have been more empty and worthless. How about giving us some something real. The game has been going on for 36 and you have no suspicions whatsoever?
You know, you haven't really done anything either. You've jumped on supersoft bandwagon because you didn't like the other bandwagon because it was a bandwagon and then you've pretty much been playing the noob card. Don't just attack a guy 'cause he's disrespecting the dark blue posts, a lot of people is on Pyo's back right now and you're not bringing anything new to the table.
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Pyo:
Show nested quote +He's been spammy, which while not good town behavior doesn't mean he's mafia. In fact, I'm almost inclined to think that there's no way mafia would spam like that as it almost invites a policy lynch, but that's a little too WIFOM to conclude anything. As I've said before, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. This is also my first PM game so it is a little harder to judge things given that many posts are likely in response to or a direct consequence of some PM conversations. Once flips start happening it'll be easier/more reasonable to start drawing conclusions.
Hi, so given that us not lynching anyone the first day is both impossible and a horrible play, why are you still advocating that we all just sit back and do nothing, which would help the mafia a ton? It sucks that you have no opinion but seriously anyone else would have gotten one by now.
@Kurumi, minor thing:
+ Show Spoiler +creamybutter Newb first game syndrome, medium-sized posts, silent after some heat was put on him?
If you're referring to the large gap between last night and this evening, it was sleep, and then class. I'd be happy to defend/make excuses against anything that you can come up with, though I'm starting to suspect that it is better play to only talk about other people and never talk about myself, as Palmar/other people who have never been attacked are doing. Still, though.
RoL:
Even though I am in no way shape or form a newb, and in fact am pretty damn awesome, I have no idea what he normally plays like and am just going to have to take other people's words when they say that he is suspicious due to metagame.
I still say Pyo.
On redFF/supersoft: I have nothing new to add, lynch away
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On July 19 2011 22:26 Mig wrote:
Pyo wtf you realize all you have done this game is say you aren't suspicious of anyone like 50 times. Surely there has to be someone you are suspicious of? There are 25 pages of posts. Are you really saying you haven't seen anything at all that worries you?
I don't understand why everyone keeps pressuring me to start accusing people. Sure there are suspicious people. About half the people in the game haven't really posted much of anything. We've got a bunch of people throwing out 4+ simultaneous accusations. You've been happy-go-lucky PM spamming. Cluttering up the thread with a million and one accusations is dumb. The 3 big fos's are supersoft, redff, and myself. I know I'm town. As I just said above redff seems to be almost too spammy to be mafia, and as for supersoft:
Original Message From supersoft: mh probably... I'll never make jokes in english again. Nobody got the irony :-/ But it's like supersoft 8:5 redFF what do you think of redFF? would be very kind of you to look over the accuses against him - i think there is something in it. + i don't give up so fast ;D Show nested quote +Original Message From Pyo: you might be dead anyway. I wasn't following the thread carefully when the whole VT claim nonsense went down, but you may have screwed yourself there. Original Message From supersoft: On July 19 2011 21:46 Pyo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:39 Kurumi wrote:
prplhz y u so flyin' like a g6 under the radar
Kavradgon, y u no aggressive like in PYPI
redff, y u so scum
supersoft,y u terrible scum
pyo,y u terrible 3rd party
come at me mafias This is like the 4th game I've seen of you now where you've been making insane posts like this. I would have thought that co-hosting a game would have gotten you to chill out, but I guess that was a little much to hope for. Throwing around accusations just creates chaos in an already chaotic day 1. i thought the exact the same thing :D but in my current situation, i was afraid another honest statement would be my end :D
I'm inclined to believe that some of the whole VT claim thing might have been lost in translation, but then again, why would he try to be my friend? It seems weird.
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On July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean. Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this: RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers.Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking? disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon
good point about RoL, but im not voting for Supersoft without a reason: he has NO opinion whatsoever, and he straight up lied to town.
That being said im starting to doubt hes mafia because he accused redFF and at this point it seems most likely that redFF is scum and trying to get town cred by defending supersoft, the case against super is incredibely strong and yet red defends him without any reason.
Also he quoted or mentioned some pms he and redFF had, now why would he have contact with redFF through pms if they were mafia?
That means either they are both town or only 1 of them is scum. Since Super (soft) accused red and red defends on an incredibly poor bases im thinking that one mafia is redFF.
Think about it.
That being said your post is extremely anti town, slowly building up to you disclaimer which is the worst disclaimer in town history, scum. (notice how ym is defending both redFF and supersoft, again on an incredibly bad basis ('hey guys how about RoL? lets lynch him!'
Dude i gotta keep writing that disclaimer is SO BAD, shut up and take my vote
##vote Youngminii
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it's not wierd at all.
one question, am i allowed to ##unvote and get modkilled, in order to kill the one with the secondmost votes?
i'll do that.
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On July 19 2011 22:52 supersoft wrote:
it's not wierd at all.
one question, am i allowed to ##unvote and get modkilled, in order to kill the one with the secondmost votes?
i'll do that.
That's strictly against the rules.
On July 05 2011 00:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
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On July 19 2011 22:47 Pyo wrote:
I don't understand why everyone keeps pressuring me to start accusing people. Sure there are suspicious people. About half the people in the game haven't really posted much of anything. We've got a bunch of people throwing out 4+ simultaneous accusations. You've been happy-go-lucky PM spamming. Cluttering up the thread with a million and one accusations is dumb. The 3 big fos's are supersoft, redff, and myself. I know I'm town. As I just said above redff seems to be almost too spammy to be mafia, and as for supersoft:
Pyo you understand the point of the game for town is to lynch mafia right? That means you should be searching for something suspicious for you to place your vote on. Abstaining and not voting helps no one but mafia. Not only are you not helping find scum but you are giving the town 0 information about your alignment. How exactly is the town supposed to know you are town when you do 0 scum hunting and refuse to cast a relevant vote?
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On July 19 2011 22:52 supersoft wrote:
it's not wierd at all.
one question, am i allowed to ##unvote and get modkilled, in order to kill the one with the secondmost votes?
i'll do that.
that's strategic modkill and is considered cheating
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On July 19 2011 22:47 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:26 Mig wrote:
Pyo wtf you realize all you have done this game is say you aren't suspicious of anyone like 50 times. Surely there has to be someone you are suspicious of? There are 25 pages of posts. Are you really saying you haven't seen anything at all that worries you? I don't understand why everyone keeps pressuring me to start accusing people. Sure there are suspicious people. About half the people in the game haven't really posted much of anything. We've got a bunch of people throwing out 4+ simultaneous accusations. You've been happy-go-lucky PM spamming. Cluttering up the thread with a million and one accusations is dumb. The 3 big fos's are supersoft, redff, and myself. I know I'm town. As I just said above redff seems to be almost too spammy to be mafia, and as for supersoft: Show nested quote +Original Message From supersoft: mh probably... I'll never make jokes in english again. Nobody got the irony :-/ But it's like supersoft 8:5 redFF what do you think of redFF? would be very kind of you to look over the accuses against him - i think there is something in it. + i don't give up so fast ;D Original Message From Pyo: you might be dead anyway. I wasn't following the thread carefully when the whole VT claim nonsense went down, but you may have screwed yourself there. Original Message From supersoft: On July 19 2011 21:46 Pyo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:39 Kurumi wrote:
prplhz y u so flyin' like a g6 under the radar
Kavradgon, y u no aggressive like in PYPI
redff, y u so scum
supersoft,y u terrible scum
pyo,y u terrible 3rd party
come at me mafias This is like the 4th game I've seen of you now where you've been making insane posts like this. I would have thought that co-hosting a game would have gotten you to chill out, but I guess that was a little much to hope for. Throwing around accusations just creates chaos in an already chaotic day 1. i thought the exact the same thing :D but in my current situation, i was afraid another honest statement would be my end :D I'm inclined to believe that some of the whole VT claim thing might have been lost in translation, but then again, why would he try to be my friend? It seems weird.
That's suspicious behavior. These people need to be flushed out. Sure not every inactive player is scum, but if you let mafia get away without posting much they're going to win. The town is really its biggest enemy in this situation, which is what the mafia wants.
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Pyo is at best actively admitting to intentionally sabotage town, at worst he's just terrible scum. I think he should hang.
Supersoft at least attempts to look like he's trying, and well... redFF can be shot for all I care.
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lynch pyo shoot redff imo
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On July 19 2011 22:42 prplhz wrote:
You know, you haven't really done anything either. You've jumped on supersoft bandwagon because you didn't like the other bandwagon because it was a bandwagon and then you've pretty much been playing the noob card. Don't just attack a guy 'cause he's disrespecting the dark blue posts, a lot of people is on Pyo's back right now and you're not bringing anything new to the table.
The bandwagon effect, closely related to opportunism, is a phenomenon—observed primarily within the fields of microeconomics, political science, and behaviorism—that people often do and believe things merely because many other people do and believe the same things. The effect is often called herd instinct, though strictly speaking, this effect is not a result of herd instinct. The bandwagon effect is the reason for the bandwagon fallacy's success.
People casting the same vote is not necessarily a bandwagon. Everyone can cast the same vote and it can be bandwagon, or everyone can be casting the same vote and it is a reasonable process. Learn the difference.
I believe there was a bandwagon against Coagulation because people were voting him without good reasons. The same can't really be said of Supersoft who has a ton of weird behavior throughout the thread which are suspicious.
As for my reply to Pyo: If it is my opinion that his latest post is (once again) empty, and nobody has called him out on this yet, it seems like it is useful for me to add my thoughts as a reply. Once again urging him to post his opinions on the players, which is beneficial to all of us.
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supersoft stop blaming your case on me. All I did was point out all the wrong things you did. You did those things yourself, and your defense was even worse. I wasn't even the first to say you looked scummy, just the first to vote and the most vocal about it afterwards. Every single one of your defenses is just "Oh Curu is loud so everyone is voting for me now." No, realize that you played badly if you are Town and that that is why everyone is voting for you.
If you can answer these questions satisfactorily I will reconsider you:
Why did you disappear for a few hours when I called out your PM lie and asked you who you had been PMing with? You later claim that 6-7 PMs is active for you and that that was your meaning. Why not state it as soon as I asked you then?
Why did you say you were going to go do analysis and then posted about 2 minutes later with some random fluff about me and Mig being suspicious? You didn't go to do analysis, you just read the previous page to find something that you could use against me.
Are you going to shape up your accusations?
So far you have accused Coagulation cause you wanted to bandwagon, accused me and Mig for both thinking PMs are useful (after we attacked you), accused ketomai for some random reason about having a quicktopic (after he attacked you), accused snotboogie for saying Town in third person (after he attacked you), and jumped on the easy bandwagon against redFF. You look like the epitome of someone who is taking only a minimal interest in the thread and analyzing people, instead only jumping on easy bandwagons and trying to find reasons to use against people who have been attacking you.
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This is my main problem with you right now. Reading the thread more carefully, you have been doing this a teeny tiny bit actually. Go do more of it please. Go do a lot of it and I will give you a hug and be your BFF.
You look like you're actually trying now, which is great. Before you were just digging yourself in deeper and screaming to be lynched while convincing yourself that the only reason you were getting voted for is me.
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redFF I've worn the case down against him too. I don't really have anything else to say, except to note that he has gone back to being useless after getting called out for defending supersoft (two posts: "I'll do clue analysis" and "CUZ UR A JOKE") and ignoring Palmar's prodding of him. Actually this dude looks even scummier than supersoft so I'd be up for him as a lynch too right now.
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I'm wary of people that appear to be smart but don't contribute anything other than mechanics discussion when unprompted. I don't know what they've been doing in PM land, but Wiggles and notasmurf jump out to me as these. bumatlarge too, he hasn't done anything except say he'll PM people (has he?).
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Pyo, wtf is this shit? Abstain vote, day 1 lynches are useless, never hit scum with day 1 lynch...what a load of crap. Merc Mini, RTM, and WaW2 being "different" doesn't mean hitting scum on day 1 is any less successful in this game. wtf does their setup have to do with making scumhunting different?
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Nisani has done nothing but squawk around agreeing with everyone, then suggested I get lynched if supersoft flips green while stating that he also finds supersoft scummy. lolwut.
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VarystheSpider has posted a bunch of nothing. "I agree" posts.
Shraft did nothing but follow me around the supersoft wagon and now he's made 1 more contentless post saying he's following around the redFF wagon.
CjrNinja did not post anything, I called him out, he posted almost right after I did so. Active lurking or coincidence? ribboo as well, he has since disappeared completely.
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I have been in light PM contact with RoL. Don't know about anyone else.
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On July 19 2011 23:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:42 prplhz wrote:
You know, you haven't really done anything either. You've jumped on supersoft bandwagon because you didn't like the other bandwagon because it was a bandwagon and then you've pretty much been playing the noob card. Don't just attack a guy 'cause he's disrespecting the dark blue posts, a lot of people is on Pyo's back right now and you're not bringing anything new to the table. Show nested quote +The bandwagon effect, closely related to opportunism, is a phenomenon—observed primarily within the fields of microeconomics, political science, and behaviorism—that people often do and believe things merely because many other people do and believe the same things. The effect is often called herd instinct, though strictly speaking, this effect is not a result of herd instinct. The bandwagon effect is the reason for the bandwagon fallacy's success. People casting the same vote is not necessarily a bandwagon. Everyone can cast the same vote and it can be bandwagon, or everyone can be casting the same vote and it is a reasonable process. Learn the difference. I believe there was a bandwagon against Coagulation because people were voting him without good reasons. The same can't really be said of Supersoft who has a ton of weird behavior throughout the thread which are suspicious. As for my reply to Pyo: If it is my opinion that his latest post is (once again) empty, and nobody has called him out on this yet, it seems like it is useful for me to add my thoughts as a reply. Once again urging him to post his opinions on the players, which is beneficial to all of us.
A ton of wierd behavior? point them out individually.
I bet you haven't read my dialogue with Kav and I bet you haven't read the thread from about page 28 to 35.
You judge me based on things you heard from other people. Mig told you about me. Didn't he?
Original Message From Liquid`Nazgul:
how is mig not a veteran he is one of the best players in this game
you keep saying random stuff
now he switched his vote, for good reasons:
Original Message From Liquid`Nazgul:
i see, he makes a good point ill think about it
why don't you follow him again?
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