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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
By confirmed Town I meant through their actions - if someone happened accuse and nail 3 Mafia, for example, it's almost certain that they aren't Mafia bussing their teammates. I'm not even going to bother with you supersoft. I hope you'll be dead after tonight because you've proven to be either a completely useless Townie or scum. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 19 2011 23:57 Mig wrote: Curu if mafia gets into the circle they won't kill the vigs lol. They will attempt to misdirect all of the shots. Your plan has a huge potential for a disaster. I would rather the Vigs act on their own since they don't know for sure right now who is guaranteed to be town besides themselves. Their shots won't be wasted by overlap anyway. If we do have a confirmed townie later on then we can discuss the idea of people claiming to him. Vigilantes are called Vigilantes for a reason.... If they were organized they'd be called a militia. You don't want to invest too much trust in one person or group. We did this in a game last year, might have been Harry Potter mafia. The town won, but it was extremely luck related. We blindly followed a couple of players [might have been Deconduo and Fishball?], but the host and many of the really good vets explained that though it won the game, it was very bad town play. It only takes one mafia infiltration to mess it up, and you [Curu] want to put all of our shooters in one basket? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:02 Curu wrote: Yeah yeah, forget I said anything. Syllogism's idea works much better with no risk. By confirmed Town I meant through their actions - if someone happened accuse and nail 3 Mafia, for example, it's almost certain that they aren't Mafia bussing their teammates. I'm not even going to bother with you supersoft. I hope you'll be dead after tonight because you've proven to be either a completely useless Townie or scum. you know i am a townie. You know you are wrong. Why do you keep calling me a useless townie? - I know why: You want to excuse your mistake. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ 4204 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: SPAKCLE Date: 7/19/11 11:32 WATTUP BRO THGOUTHS$RAD?S Reply I suspect he may have a bit of a hangover this morning. However the last game I was in with RoL where he just schlepped along and posted the absolute minimum he was scummy scum scum. He managed to last until until day 4 or so. I have no desire to see his encore performance. He's much better than this. My vote goes on RoL. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:03 Amber[LighT] wrote: Vigilantes are called Vigilantes for a reason.... If they were organized they'd be called a militia. You don't want to invest too much trust in one person or group. We did this in a game last year, might have been Harry Potter mafia. The town won, but it was extremely luck related. We blindly followed a couple of players [might have been Deconduo and Fishball?], but the host and many of the really good vets explained that though it won the game, it was very bad town play. It only takes one mafia infiltration to mess it up, and you [Curu] want to put all of our shooters in one basket? Amber, this post is ridiculous. Just because the name is Vigilante doesn't mean they work better alone. If a Vigilante can pair up with a DT, he gets exponentially more potent. Teamwork is not detrimental, especially not for the flimsy reason of a role name. Mafia starts out with less numbers and less abilities than Town but they have the advantage in organization and information. Do you honestly believe just because they are called Vigilantes that they are more effective if they act completely on their own? My plan did have potential for disaster and Syllogism had a much better alternative, but saying my plan is bad because Vigilantes are better when they're alone is ridiculous. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
i can't stress this enough, he's the one that thinks lurkers are a huge detriment to town, he's the one that thinks lurking gives scum an edge we NEED to do something about this also taa, yeah i put that disclaimer in just in case people thought i would be chainsawing supersoft and redff (i read my post before the disclaimer and it looked scummy as fuck), but then again if i were scum i would be wise enough to avoid chainsaw defenses so make of it what you will all you've (taa) done this game is one liners and voting for people with very weak reasons, you're better than this i'm guessing you're 3rd party | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:37 redFF wrote: so there was a terrible bandwagon on a fairly obvious townie that nobody was protesting, I said it was a terrible bandwagon, and now I'm scum. RIIIIIIIIIIGHT... wooooooooooooooooooooow this post i'm so torn between voting for rol or you | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:35 Curu wrote: Amber, this post is ridiculous. Just because the name is Vigilante doesn't mean they work better alone. If a Vigilante can pair up with a DT, he gets exponentially more potent. Teamwork is not detrimental, especially not for the flimsy reason of a role name. Mafia starts out with less numbers and less abilities than Town but they have the advantage in organization and information. Do you honestly believe just because they are called Vigilantes that they are more effective if they act completely on their own? My plan did have potential for disaster and Syllogism had a much better alternative, but saying my plan is bad because Vigilantes are better when they're alone is ridiculous. I'm not saying Vigilantes are better when they're alone. The first sentence was just clever :> Vigilantes are better when they're not exposed. Anonymity gives them strength, not confirmation. It takes one person to leak information. Whether they're scum or 3rd party they don't want extra KP flying around this game. Not only that we have pro-town players who can be checked as scum, scum that can be checked as pro-town, and 3rd party players that can be checked as pro-town. On July 19 2011 23:49 syllogism wrote: We don't really have to have our vigs claiming to anyone, especially on day 1, since they've unique names so we can just assign targets to them in public without anyone claiming. They aren't compulsive vigs so there's no rush anyway I would agree to this idea until we obtain additional information. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
________________________________________ I was going to post an analysis on redFF today, but everyone has addressed that case at least 3 times over. I don't have anything new to add. I do agree with all the points raised. All of his judgments seem to be from "gut" feels, which is not how townies act. Scum who know all alignments though.. Has anyone played in previous games with him before? How did he act then? And what was his alignment? Basically I'm interested to know if he also mass spammed one line posts and whether he ended up being scum. ________________________________________ As has been mentioned by others Mr Wiggles isn't acting very pro-town. He almost seems obsessed with the SK roles and at this point I'm almost convinced he's one of them. The fact that he tried to pass Batman off as a townie role is both laughable and informative. He is most likely Batman. Trying to convince us to target joker (how would we even determine which roles SKs are?) supports this theory. ________________________________________ It seems to me that there are at most 20 active posters in this thread. That leaves half the game as lurkers... Obviously this isn't good. Would it be possible to compile a list of players and their post counts? I would do it myself but searching through 40 players' posts is something I'm not willing to take on. We could divide it up into sections. I'll take the first 5 players as they are ordered in the OP. Others can volunteer for other stacks of players. This should hopefully encourage people to stop lurking. ________________________________________ Instead of my planned redFF analysis (which will really be redundant at this point) I'll take on one or two other people who have piqued my interest with some scummy ideas. I will post my findings later today. ________________________________________ As for my vote. I'm torn between redFF and Mr Wiggles. At this point in time I'm going with Mr Wiggles. I urge others to look at the cases presented against him more closely. We can get an easy SK hit today. If we end up in a scenario where supersoft is about to be lynched and redFF is in 2nd place, I will be changing my vote to redFF though (if no new information comes to the fore). I think redFF is the more scummy candidate out of the two. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On July 18 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote: On redFF's behavior You're on Coagulation's list as a veteran, but all of your posts have been fillers. They're like repetition of something someone else already said, advice you don't follow yourself, self contradictory or you're trying to start a fight with someone. I assume that you can do a lot better than that so why don't you? On the Coagulation bandwagon It's weird that Coagulation would post one liners and lists since it's basically setting him up for being day1 lynch target. A bandwagon can easily be formed in a game full of noobs especially when Ver's town guide kinda says on page1 that behavior like Coagulation's is a clear scum tell. On CreamyButter I think his logic has been pretty good and a new guy on scum team would probably wait until some of the more experienced players had layed down some sort of a strategy in the QT. I think that generally he's been doing very well and played the noob card very little considering that this is his first game. Also all the votes on him has been based on Palmar's pretty terrible 2 line analysis. On my vote I think that RebirthOfLegend should know that Coagulation would not do silly first-game mistakes and he's just trying to form a bandwagon in an environment where a bandwagon can easily be formed. He is trying to be the champion of the noobs, who will probably have a lot to say in this game. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend a very wishy washy post if you ask me. He sounds like he has no confidence in what he says. What difference does it make if you compliment another player? favoritism towards, giving you +1 support. He also feels it necessary to vote for someone with his first post in the game with a really weak pressure. How are you going to pressure someone with such weak reasoning? scum. Anyways, i havent payed close attention to the game enough to judge the rest of his posts. someone else can analyze them better most likely. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
wat wat wat wat wat You made a post longer than one line wat | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
This: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2011 23:38 Curu wrote: Also how I propose we use our Vig hits: Find the player that is most Pro Town. All Vigs declare and roleclaim to this guy, then get a Vig quicktopic going on so their hits can be coordinated. It is highly unlikely that any Mafia member will try to slip himself into this circle since doing so will only get you shot. I'd suggest that only the Vigs outlined in the OP be included in this group: Zsasz, Calendar Man, Harley Quinn, Firefly If you're a Vig and got some hidden role, tough luck. If all the Vigs start dying, then we know the Pro Town guy is a snitch. Pros Vig hits don't overlap Vigs can discuss amongst themselves in a confirmed Town circle Cons If the Pro Town player we choose is Mafia, we lose all our Vigs in exchange for 1 Mafia member (bad trade) - I suggest we don't try doing this plan until someone is more or less confirmed Town If Mafia has been given a list of available safeclaims and included in it were some of the roles in the OP then this whole plan is screwed The latter point is what I am most afraid of. BC hinted that mass claiming won't break the game, so it may be that he provided Mafia safeclaims that were some of the names in the OP but not actually in the game. BC can you confirm or deny this? ---------------- supersoft, I give up. You won't cooperate with me no matter what I try. Me and Palmar suspected redFF long before you did. I'm trying hard to give myself reasons to stop seeing you as scum but it's just not working. ---------------- Pyo at least is sticking to his guns, which gives some reason to believe that he actually believes what he's saying as misguided and wrong as it is. Is pretty useless at this point in the game, and has a very high chance of failing if we did it now. Syllo came up with the idea of anonymous claiming: On July 19 2011 23:49 syllogism wrote: We don't really have to have our vigs claiming to anyone, especially on day 1, since they've unique names so we can just assign targets to them in public without anyone claiming. They aren't compulsive vigs so there's no rush anyway I thought this was a decent idea, except for: On July 14 2011 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone can talk to anyone in whatever way they wish. just don't talk about the game in the primary mafia irc channel to avoid discussing it around people who don't want to be part of the discussion. Note you may not do things anonymously. Each person while communicating with anyone must know who that person is they are talking to. So no anonymous chat rooms or fake names on irc (unless everyone in said room knows who each and every person is). So, it's impossible. Right now, I'm going to vote for RoL to help pressure due to his uncharacteristic, and very odd lurking. I know he's been on a computer at least, as his skype was online yesterday. What gives, RoL? If I'm satisfied with him when he returns, I'm going to switch my vote to RedFF. The case is well thought out, and I think he's scum based off of the useless spamming, as well as the very random defense of supersoft. If people want me to address the case against me again, I will, but not unless I'm asked. (It has some very major flaws to it) Somewhere along the line, responding to pressure has become anti-town, apparently. About third parties: I don't know about you, but I want to remove ALL the third-parties from the game. They are a giant detriment and threat to town. So, I'm not sure how I'm coming across as obsessed with them, it just seems like I'm the only townie actually taking them into consideration. I don't think they should be ignored, especially considering they hold just as much KP as the mafia, and it is very easy to remove that KP if we find them. I also don't think Batman is a townie role, who the hell came up with that idea? + Show Spoiler + [10:38] <syllogism> do you really think there's some merit to your order in which we should lynch SKs? I suppose it might be possible to use clues to determine which is which, but other than that it's going to be pretty impossible [10:38] <MrWiggles> yeah [10:38] <MrWiggles> but Joker should act more like a traditional SK [10:38] <MrWiggles> the other two are more like assassins [10:38] <syllogism> maybe, depends on who got the role [10:38] <MrWiggles> Joker wants to live until the end [10:39] <MrWiggles> he also doesn't want to get shot by scum [10:39] <MrWiggles> because then he's forced to claim he was hit [10:39] <MrWiggles> so, he's going to try to remain mostly neutral and skirt along [10:39] <syllogism> I'm not sure if that's better than not claiming [10:39] <MrWiggles> If he doesn't claim, mafia know he [10:39] <MrWiggles> 's an sk [10:39] <syllogism> sure [10:40] <MrWiggles> then they can just push analysis on him [10:40] <MrWiggles> to waste a lynch [10:40] <MrWiggles> or pretend to be vig and reveal him [10:40] <syllogism> vig claim point is decent yeah [10:40] <MrWiggles> there's never a reason for town to not claim if they were shot [10:41] <syllogism> yes the point was if he claims vet, town will likely know for sure eventually [10:41] <syllogism> if there are 2 vets in this setup [10:41] <MrWiggles> well, two vets possible [10:41] <syllogism> 2 vets is max, is my point [10:41] <syllogism> so if there are 2 and then another vet claims later [10:41] <syllogism> the real second vet will know [10:41] <MrWiggles> mhmm, but there might be 1, or 0 [10:41] <syllogism> right [10:42] <syllogism> but this setup should have a lot of decent blues [10:42] <MrWiggles> also, they're named, so there's a bit more risk in fake-claiming [10:42] <MrWiggles> because even if there's one, and you screw up the name [10:42] <MrWiggles> you're done [10:42] <syllogism> yep [10:43] <MrWiggles> Joker's probably the mosty likely to slip out of the third parties [10:43] <MrWiggles> he's also the one we want dead first [10:43] <MrWiggles> preferably [10:43] <MrWiggles> if we know someone's sk, we should lynch them [10:43] <syllogism> absolutely, that was my point [10:43] <MrWiggles> mhmm [10:44] <MrWiggles> I'm not saying not to [10:44] <syllogism> there's no point having an order if the order is to always lynch sk [10:44] <MrWiggles> well [10:44] <MrWiggles> the order just serves, for what's best [10:45] <MrWiggles> like I said, joker is most likely to slip, and act like an SK, imo. So, if you link a clue to someone, and going over their posting, they look like an SK, they might be joker [10:45] <MrWiggles> Batman is going to look more pro-town, as he's essentially just a DT/compulsive-vig who wins by killing an SK [10:46] <MrWiggles> So, he's probably going to actually do things like scum-hunt [10:46] <MrWiggles> trying to find the joker to lynch [10:46] <MrWiggles> which will make it look like he's a vig [10:46] <syllogism> sure we aren't going to lynch players who look pro-town and are scum hunting =P [10:46] <MrWiggles> yeah [10:47] <MrWiggles> exactly [10:47] <MrWiggles> we still want to remove him though, because it gets rid of ra'as [10:47] <MrWiggles> who will be shooting into pro-town people, trying to find batman [10:48] <MrWiggles> but it's hard to find batman, and he will likely look pro-town [10:48] <MrWiggles> so instead we find the joker, and get rid of all three at once Did no one else actually think about the set-up at all? And stop calling me third party, or Palmar will try to shoot me tonight. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
there's a mafia irc channel? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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