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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
Along with that his defense of Super is very suspicious. The only reason he gives for defending him is that he feels he is newb town instead of newb scum. So basically he is defending him just purely on a hunch, he provides 0 evidence or any real reasoning for his conclusion. Yet despite the fact that he has virtually no way to tell if Super is new town instead of new scum he posts with extreme conviction. He defends him very strongly and attacks curu like mad just because he is targeting Super. This is extremely strange behavior for a townie, considering they don't know everyone's alignment and with the information he has Super should look very scummy. But it makes perfect sense for mafia to strongly defend someone they know is town to A) buy town cred and B) attempt to get the town to mislynch tomorrow by targeting the people who made the case against Super. So because of his change in meta, lack of content and the extremely suspicious way he has defended Super I am switching my vote from Super to Redff. ##unvote supersoft ##vote Redff | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:16 snotboogie wrote: Why? If you were blue, why would you claim green and then claim you're not green? If you're not Mafia, then Mafia knows you're not green and you're not red. Which means you're either blue or black which is doing deductive work for Mafia. Explain what is wrong with my reasoning. My initial "claim" was a joke. A null-tell. Moreover I didn't claim, that I am not VT until my dialogue with Kav. So if you read my dialogue with Kavdragon, you will see, that I claimed VT there. And it's the truth btw. Even if you take my jokeclaim serious, I never lied about anything. On July 19 2011 20:25 Pyo wrote: ugh, well I seem to just be digging myself deeper and deeper... I honestly didn't think I was being scummy by saying making policy posts at the start of games was bad. Well whatever, I'm just gonna respond to palmer here too I've played 2 TL mafia games so far. XL - iGrok makes one of those ridiculous policy posts... he turns out to be mafia GF. So I'm a little biased against them. XL - two day 1 bandwagons, in neither did mafia vote for the person and in neither case were the bandwagon target mafia SNMMIV - yeah I pressured Draz and it turned out he was town. Random tunneling isn't necessarily the most productive. Lesson learned: random tunneling doesn't really work. Plus with all the chaos of day 1 it's really hard to even interpret alignments from votes. Also palmer, you have my posts about wiggles in the wrong chronological order and taken out of the context of the thread. I started the whole thing about wiggles and CB by saying that policy posts are bad (second quote). Then after being attacked for having said that, i responded with your first quote. The third quote where I'm "backing off from accusing wiggles" (note that I never really was accusing him in the first place) came after drazerk posted his attack against on him and after I received the following PM's: As stated before, I don't really like early day 1 bandwagons, so I didn't really want to start one. Random tunneling I suppose can work (gtrsrs against iGrok in XL sort of comes to mind), but most often it's a total whiff (every game kurumi plays in, the 2 day 1 bandwagons in XL, gtrsrs against everyone in SNMMIV). Finally, I'll simply add that I also used a place-holder vote day 1 of mafia XL until I was able to make up my mind about who to actually vote for. i wrote to Palmar, regarding his analysis of you: "This is a really good analysis. I like it. I know Pyo. He played in all my Mafia games I played before and you are right. This behavior of him is extremely different. He was a scary townie to play against. And now he is not as sharp as in his games before. I don't want to screw your good case by supporting it right now, because many people don't trust me right now. If I get hang you may use this PM to support your case tomorrow. sup." But I think he defended himself pretty well here. I do understand his thoughtprocess and his logic. So I think he's probably innocent. On July 19 2011 19:16 ketomai wrote: supersoft: I told you I have never played a game with you but it doesn't stop me from reading your past games if I have any suspicions. My post history contains my mafia games as well so it'd be really easy to find out my aka (which you have never played with). Since you keep asking I'll just tell you that my former username was nevake. okay. ##unvote On July 19 2011 19:26 Palmar wrote: A quiet lynch with massive support allows mafia to just plant themselves on both sides of the lynch and derp herp their way to day 2. Having more than 1 lynch candidate where we actually ahve to fight for getting the lynch done is pro town. Read RTM if you don't believe me. true. All in all, and because of the reasons I posted earlier: ##vote: redFF | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:20 deconduo wrote: Insane inmates are traitors, not 3rd party. Thats the confusion here. Because this argument is pure WIFOM. You are saying if he's blue mafia knows he's lying about claiming green. Mafia don't have perfect information, they don't know if he's blue or not and therefore it doesn't help them at all. Insane inmates are black, which is what I said. At least it's written in black font in the OP, I don't know if there's a difference. No I'm saying Supersoft claiming he is actually NOT green (i.e. saying that claiming green was a lie) is giving information to Mafia. If Supersoft is in fact not green then he is a person of interest, no? | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:28 supersoft wrote: My initial "claim" was a joke. A null-tell. Moreover I didn't claim, that I am not VT until my dialogue with Kav. So if you read my dialogue with Kavdragon, you will see, that I claimed VT there. And it's the truth btw. Even if you take my jokeclaim serious, I never lied about anything. So you claim VT, then say you were just joking, then now you are claiming VT again. Explain to me why Town would want to keep you alive. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:31 snotboogie wrote: So you claim VT, then say you were just joking, then now you are claiming VT again. Explain to me why Town would want to keep you alive. Why are you talking in thirdperson? Obviously "town" keeps me alive because I am part of it. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:29 snotboogie wrote: Insane inmates are black, which is what I said. At least it's written in black font in the OP, I don't know if there's a difference. No I'm saying Supersoft claiming he is actually NOT green (i.e. saying that claiming green was a lie) is giving information to Mafia. If Supersoft is in fact not green then he is a person of interest, no? Mafia don't know if he's telling the truth or not. Regardless of what role he is, claiming not green doesn't give mafia useful information. He could be green and lying, he could be a veteran. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Kavradgon, y u no aggressive like in PYPI redff, y u so scum supersoft,y u terrible scum pyo,y u terrible 3rd party come at me mafias | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:39 Kurumi wrote: prplhz y u so flyin' like a g6 under the radar Kavradgon, y u no aggressive like in PYPI redff, y u so scum supersoft,y u terrible scum pyo,y u terrible 3rd party come at me mafias This is like the 4th game I've seen of you now where you've been making insane posts like this. I would have thought that co-hosting a game would have gotten you to chill out, but I guess that was a little much to hope for. Throwing around accusations just creates chaos in an already chaotic day 1. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:46 Pyo wrote: This is like the 4th game I've seen of you now where you've been making insane posts like this. I would have thought that co-hosting a game would have gotten you to chill out, but I guess that was a little much to hope for. Throwing around accusations just creates chaos in an already chaotic day 1. hi, should we lynch redFF? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 18 2011 12:33 Coagulation wrote: Heres the list of newbs and vets in the game. 1. snotboogie Newb 2. Deconduo Vet 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL 4. curu Newb 5. RebirthofLegend Vet 6. Amber[LighT] Vet 7. hiro protagonist Newb 8. nisani201 Newb 9. Pyo Newb 10.Drazerk Newb 11. supersoft Newb 12. Jackal58 LOL 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet 14. prplhz Newb 15. mig Newb 16. notasmurf Newb 17. kenpachi LOL 18. Syllogism Newb 19. Palmar Newb 20. Sevryn Newb 21. ghrur Vet 22. Varysthespider Newb 23. node Vet 24, coagulation Vet 25. kavdragon Vet 26. Lucidity Newb 27. ketomai Newb 28. creamybutter Newb 29. redff Vet 30. youngminii Vet 31. liquid`nazgul Newb 32. Shraft Newb 33. cjrninja Newb 34. visceraeyes Newb 35. theawesomeall Newb 36. eternalmisfit Newb 37. zona Vet 38. gtrsrs Newb 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb Let me upgrade it: 1. snotboogie Newb active? 2. Deconduo Vet not huge contributor, but is active 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL stopped trolling I guess 4. curu Newb active 5. RebirthofLegend Vet lurking 6. Amber[LighT] Vet lurking? 7. hiro protagonist Newb lurking 8. nisani201 Newb lurking 9. Pyo Newb Scum lol 10.Drazerk Newb this guy plays? 11. supersoft Newb King of Derps 12. Jackal58 LOL Jackal 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet started off with big things, now silent? 14. prplhz Newb flying under the radar 15. mig Newb mostly good posts, meta analysis on redff 16. notasmurf Newb intriguing, posts of good value 17. kenpachi LOL useless 18. Syllogism Newb ??? 19. Palmar Newb King of Kalmars, active everywhere and scumhunts 20. Sevryn Newb ??? 21. ghrur Vet ??? 22. Varysthespider Newb under 5 posts 23. node Vet 0 posts. Way to go bro 24, coagulation Vet lurking made vet list (duh) 25. kavdragon Vet not as Kavdragon as I would like 26. Lucidity Newb ? 27. ketomai Newb pretty active 28. creamybutter Newb first game syndrome, medium-sized posts, silent after some heat was put on him? 29. redff Vet useless, lurker based on contentless posts 30. youngminii Vet argued with Mig 31. liquid`nazgul Newb probably suffers from first game syndrome 32. Shraft Newb ? 33. cjrninja Newb - I'd expect more from him 34. visceraeyes Newb - lurking 35. theawesomeall Newb - silent all game? 36. eternalmisfit Newb - in my opinion good player tbh, he isn't really active, but shows up there and there 37. zona Vet rarely posts, but posts are big and valuable 38. gtrsrs Newb claimed VT, useless so far 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb - replaced by bumatlarge, vet | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:29 snotboogie wrote: Insane inmates are black, which is what I said. At least it's written in black font in the OP, I don't know if there's a difference. No I'm saying Supersoft claiming he is actually NOT green (i.e. saying that claiming green was a lie) is giving information to Mafia. If Supersoft is in fact not green then he is a person of interest, no? Ah I forgot about Insane inmates, derp. To be honest I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Mafia won't know whether he's blue or green, what information would be gained? | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On July 19 2011 21:36 supersoft wrote: Why are you talking in thirdperson? Obviously "town" keeps me alive because I am part of it. your not making it better for yourslef man, atm youre leading with 9 votes i believe | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Since the RebirthOfLegend pressure is going absolutely nowhere (I was kinda hoping that people might have turned their attention to him once the supersoft bandwagon inevitably would die out and maybe RebirthOfLegend would have posted some more) I'm going to vote for some other dude. Kurumi kinda stated that we need to choose between supersoft and Pyo and CreamyButter (still waiting for that analysis) but I think that Pyo and redFF are the best candidates right now. There's a been a ton of good arguments but the one that strikes me the most (from Mig) is: redFF defended supersoft on a hunch. There was a perfectly good case against supersoft and the "oh i think he's not scum just noob" is something that can be said about almost everybody. Also redFF should KNOW that bandwagons tend to die out especially a bandwagon that started so early as the one against supersoft. If his intention really was to save supersoft then the best move might not have been defending him, it would probably have been to jump on the bandwagon or just wait it out. This makes me think that he deliberately was trying to get himself some town cred, thus my verdict. ##Unvote ##Vote redFF | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On July 19 2011 13:04 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote So let me get this straight. *rereading* ^^ | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
He's been spammy, which while not good town behavior doesn't mean he's mafia. In fact, I'm almost inclined to think that there's no way mafia would spam like that as it almost invites a policy lynch, but that's a little too WIFOM to conclude anything. As I've said before, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. This is also my first PM game so it is a little harder to judge things given that many posts are likely in response to or a direct consequence of some PM conversations. Once flips start happening it'll be easier/more reasonable to start drawing conclusions. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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