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Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
October 22 2011 22:16 GMT
#6641
this is how i think the viper should be changed: it should come out the gate a detector, with the ability to use that spell to remove detection from itself and attach it to any other unit - friend OR foe. so for instance you could attach it to a unit further away from the battlefield and safer (queen or ovie back at home for defense), or you could attach it to say, an obs, so it's pulling double duty for you. naturally there would need to be some indication that this had taken place. or on a banshee. or just on an expensive unit that the opponent would have to really think about sacrificing.

i think as long as it stayed a one time cast spell and also removed detection from the viper that it would be doable. someone who's better at the game than me can comment on if this is ridiculously abusable or not, i just think it makes more sense intuitively than the way it is now.
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Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
October 22 2011 22:18 GMT
#6642
On October 23 2011 07:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Does the shredder only work vs ground?


Nope. It is the lazyman's mutalisk and zergling runby defense.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 22 2011 22:19 GMT
#6643
On October 23 2011 07:18 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Does the shredder only work vs ground?


Nope. It is the lazyman's mutalisk and zergling runby defense.


That'll most certainly be changed I would guess.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 22:21:40
October 22 2011 22:20 GMT
#6644
On October 23 2011 06:48 WesleyLok wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lle0w/analysis_of_the_new_units_and_changes_in_hots/


I stopped reading that as soon as he suggested the replicant was useful as it could become a broodlord or a battlecruiser, both of which are massive and cannot be copied by the replicant.

As a result, I lost all faith in the poster's credibility at the second sentence.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 22 2011 22:20 GMT
#6645
On October 23 2011 07:18 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Does the shredder only work vs ground?


Nope. It is the lazyman's mutalisk and zergling runby defense.


Yeah, the radius on that thing seems crazy. Still, I bet you can focus them down very quickly.

Do they work near friendly building? If they don't, I am totally ok this these units.
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DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
October 22 2011 22:22 GMT
#6646
On October 23 2011 07:20 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:18 Fishgle wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Does the shredder only work vs ground?


Nope. It is the lazyman's mutalisk and zergling runby defense.


Yeah, the radius on that thing seems crazy. Still, I bet you can focus them down very quickly.

Do they work near friendly building? If they don't, I am totally ok this these units.



They don't
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
October 22 2011 22:24 GMT
#6647
Hmmm.... has anyone tried grabbing a ground unit with a Viper over open space?
Someone call down the Thunder?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 22 2011 22:25 GMT
#6648
On October 23 2011 07:22 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:20 Plansix wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:18 Fishgle wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Does the shredder only work vs ground?


Nope. It is the lazyman's mutalisk and zergling runby defense.


Yeah, the radius on that thing seems crazy. Still, I bet you can focus them down very quickly.

Do they work near friendly building? If they don't, I am totally ok this these units.



They don't


Yeah, those units need to be WAY out there to work effectively and a group of roaches go knock them down.
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Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
October 22 2011 22:26 GMT
#6649
On October 23 2011 06:59 bendez wrote:
argh I just have one minor complaint. I wish they change the unit appearance of swam hosts I have a bit of trypophobia, and those holes on their backs really creep me out...

Me, too. I'm hoping I can get used to seeing that over time if there isn't an alternative.
GET SM4SHED
Keyz1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada94 Posts
October 22 2011 22:27 GMT
#6650
On October 23 2011 07:16 Doc Daneeka wrote:
this is how i think the viper should be changed: it should come out the gate a detector, with the ability to use that spell to remove detection from itself and attach it to any other unit - friend OR foe. so for instance you could attach it to a unit further away from the battlefield and safer (queen or ovie back at home for defense), or you could attach it to say, an obs, so it's pulling double duty for you. naturally there would need to be some indication that this had taken place. or on a banshee. or just on an expensive unit that the opponent would have to really think about sacrificing.

i think as long as it stayed a one time cast spell and also removed detection from the viper that it would be doable. someone who's better at the game than me can comment on if this is ridiculously abusable or not, i just think it makes more sense intuitively than the way it is now.

That doesn't change the fact that you still need to pump 200 gas in order to get detection, not to mention probably taking longer than 17 seconds to hatch.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
October 22 2011 22:27 GMT
#6651
For the swarm lord I wonder how long the locusts live and their spawn rate because it seems you would be able to burrow these guys and wait for 2-3 waves of locusts before sending them in.
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Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
October 22 2011 22:29 GMT
#6652
On October 23 2011 07:27 Keyz1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:16 Doc Daneeka wrote:
this is how i think the viper should be changed: it should come out the gate a detector, with the ability to use that spell to remove detection from itself and attach it to any other unit - friend OR foe. so for instance you could attach it to a unit further away from the battlefield and safer (queen or ovie back at home for defense), or you could attach it to say, an obs, so it's pulling double duty for you. naturally there would need to be some indication that this had taken place. or on a banshee. or just on an expensive unit that the opponent would have to really think about sacrificing.

i think as long as it stayed a one time cast spell and also removed detection from the viper that it would be doable. someone who's better at the game than me can comment on if this is ridiculously abusable or not, i just think it makes more sense intuitively than the way it is now.

That doesn't change the fact that you still need to pump 200 gas in order to get detection, not to mention probably taking longer than 17 seconds to hatch.


yeah. i imagine stuff like that will get tweaked during beta though. i'm just thinking of the seeming clunkiness of the mechanic itself as it stands right now.
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envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
October 22 2011 22:31 GMT
#6653
On October 23 2011 07:27 Keyz1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:16 Doc Daneeka wrote:
this is how i think the viper should be changed: it should come out the gate a detector, with the ability to use that spell to remove detection from itself and attach it to any other unit - friend OR foe. so for instance you could attach it to a unit further away from the battlefield and safer (queen or ovie back at home for defense), or you could attach it to say, an obs, so it's pulling double duty for you. naturally there would need to be some indication that this had taken place. or on a banshee. or just on an expensive unit that the opponent would have to really think about sacrificing.

i think as long as it stayed a one time cast spell and also removed detection from the viper that it would be doable. someone who's better at the game than me can comment on if this is ridiculously abusable or not, i just think it makes more sense intuitively than the way it is now.

That doesn't change the fact that you still need to pump 200 gas in order to get detection, not to mention probably taking longer than 17 seconds to hatch.

You mean how a terran has to pump 100/200 to get permanent mobile detection?
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
October 22 2011 22:31 GMT
#6654
On October 23 2011 07:27 Ghost-z wrote:
For the swarm lord I wonder how long the locusts live and their spawn rate because it seems you would be able to burrow these guys and wait for 2-3 waves of locusts before sending them in.



the "swarmlings" they spawn have a timer like a broodling. you have to have them attack before the timer runs out so there is no stockpiling them........
En Taro Adun, Executor!
springtree
Profile Joined August 2010
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 22:35:29
October 22 2011 22:34 GMT
#6655
On October 23 2011 07:31 envisioN . wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:27 Keyz1 wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you still need to pump 200 gas in order to get detection, not to mention probably taking longer than 17 seconds to hatch.

You mean how a terran has to pump 100/200 to get permanent mobile detection?


Notice the difference between (a) and (b) below.

(a) detection
(b) permanent mobile detection

Thank you.

Edit: I should clarify: "MULE".
斗 シ ツ ♪ ♡
Keyz1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada94 Posts
October 22 2011 22:35 GMT
#6656
On October 23 2011 07:31 envisioN . wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:27 Keyz1 wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:16 Doc Daneeka wrote:
this is how i think the viper should be changed: it should come out the gate a detector, with the ability to use that spell to remove detection from itself and attach it to any other unit - friend OR foe. so for instance you could attach it to a unit further away from the battlefield and safer (queen or ovie back at home for defense), or you could attach it to say, an obs, so it's pulling double duty for you. naturally there would need to be some indication that this had taken place. or on a banshee. or just on an expensive unit that the opponent would have to really think about sacrificing.

i think as long as it stayed a one time cast spell and also removed detection from the viper that it would be doable. someone who's better at the game than me can comment on if this is ridiculously abusable or not, i just think it makes more sense intuitively than the way it is now.

That doesn't change the fact that you still need to pump 200 gas in order to get detection, not to mention probably taking longer than 17 seconds to hatch.

You mean how a terran has to pump 100/200 to get permanent mobile detection?

You're pretty fucking ignorant Mr. Orbital Command, click the fucking button whenever you need it faggot.


User was temp banned for this post.
springtree
Profile Joined August 2010
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 22:36:35
October 22 2011 22:36 GMT
#6657
No need for swear words (edit: or name calling, rather) whatsoever. He's a bit slow, though, I agree.
斗 シ ツ ♪ ♡
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
October 22 2011 22:38 GMT
#6658
On October 23 2011 07:34 springtree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:31 envisioN . wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:27 Keyz1 wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you still need to pump 200 gas in order to get detection, not to mention probably taking longer than 17 seconds to hatch.

You mean how a terran has to pump 100/200 to get permanent mobile detection?


Notice the difference between (a) and (b) below.

(a) detection
(b) permanent mobile detection

Thank you.

Edit: I should clarify: "MULE".

But its not like we have infinite scans. If you are keeping up with dropping mules, then there is only a slim margin of time during which you have scans available. Not to mention the fact that you lose 270 minerals every time you use a scan.
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
springtree
Profile Joined August 2010
74 Posts
October 22 2011 22:40 GMT
#6659
On October 23 2011 07:38 envisioN . wrote:
But its not like we have infinite scans. If you are keeping up with dropping mules, then there is only a slim margin of time during which you have scans available. Not to mention the fact that you lose 270 minerals every time you use a scan.


Again with the conditions... you say "infinite scans", I say "detection, period". Please note the difference between "having detection, albeit in limited fashion" and "not having detection". We all know scan costs energy and MULEs are awesome.
斗 シ ツ ♪ ♡
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
October 22 2011 22:40 GMT
#6660
On October 23 2011 07:18 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Does the shredder only work vs ground?


Nope. It is the lazyman's mutalisk and zergling runby defense.


are you serious?? also attacks air? it cant be:3
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