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Explain to me in dumb terms why Cora not voting is alignment indicative.
I have seen take that stance so many times by town I don't get where you are coming from
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Aqua Explain to me in dumb terms why Cora not voting is alignment indicative. I have seen take that stance so many times by town I don't get where you are coming from | ||
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your 3 posts, I cannot comprehend the motive behind those posts - if you are town walk me through why the items you have discussed are the most relevant items in the thread to . | ||
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On November 20 2013 21:41 LoneMeow wrote: I could agree about cDgCorazon being scum. His filter has a ton of filler-like stuff, practically the only player he seems to have anything to talk about is sciberbia and even that is kind of non-commital, he's more or less hinting that sciberbia is scummy but never actually making it a real case. The part about town reads not being useful was just plain weird. On the other hand, sciberbia's massive tunnel so early in the game is pretty weird and I really don't think they're both scum. 1. do you have an opinion on aquanim? 2. why is it an issue he only talks about sciberbia? who else was worth discussing at that point in time? 3. why is the town reads component not useful? 4. I don't get the point of the sentence with sciberbia. | ||
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u hadn't posted yet. plus u have had a meta change for me at least since Hogwarts. what is your read on thrawn,because if you are worried about me the corollary isb that you should be worried about thraawn | ||
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u better give more when you come back, because right now what you are writing seems so fake. however, I am willing to hear you out. aquanim thoughts on jampidampi | ||
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read the whole thread. if you still need an answer to your question, let me know and I will respond otherwise what you are asking is pointless. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote: Umm I think you are scum with rean. Catching scum would be my motive. if catching scum is your motive 1. why are you not probing rean ifbhe is your scum read? 2. you haven't queired me at all to discern my alignment. ok you think I'm scum. yet, you don't make a case or probe me.. instead you run a smear campaign using fancy buzzwords and zero content. so for another time, why is this the only thing worth commenting about in the whole thread? | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Almost there. But my point isn't that I want to know why you think those people are scummy. I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did. The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you. jjd I gave reasons?? I am having trouble whether you haven't seen the two posts I made in reference to scibwrbia, or, you can't follow my reasoning?? based on your dialogue it appears you van not find my reasoning? | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did. The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you. This is in regards to: On November 20 2013 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: + Show Spoiler + Only a few pages in but first impression is mocsta is scum. Giving himself a post limit and then posting a bunch of 1-liners to start the game is pretty bad. Then he get's pissed @ Bereft for questioning him about it? This post really stuck out to me: On November 20 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote: Why exactly does sci look bad for pointing fingers so early? @ least sci gave a reason. Now it may not have been a good reason but would he have been less scummy if he just said cora was a scum read w/o any reason @ all? Aparently, since that's what Mocsta did:post 6 I can't remember what a scum Cora is like.. but the above sounds more typical of town if I recall correctly. If I were to have a go at Corazon, it would be more along the lines of that being his sole post so far, yet being present in the thread to post that. Read is null. You look bad for trying to point fingers already on something that is null so early. On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: Of the 3 people he named, he only posted a small reason for Aquanim about how he questioned him. post 5 Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count  So Mocsta, is sciberbia for pointing fingers for a bad reason scummier than you pointing fingers for no reason @ all? (A) "So Mocsta, is sciberbia for pointing fingers for a bad reason scummier than you pointing fingers for no reason @ all?" I had reasoning and its in post 6 that you quoted?? I can't remember what a scum Cora is like.. but the above sounds more typical of town if I recall correctly. It sounds to me more like you do not approve/follow the reasoning.+ Show Spoiler + If I were to have a go at Corazon, it would be more along the lines of that being his sole post so far, yet being present in the thread to post that. Read is null. Insert: Refering to Corazon You look bad for trying to point fingers already on something that is null so early. If so, I thought Sciberbia was making a mountain of a molehill. Keep in mind my perspective of Sciberbia is that he is an analytical player, and certainly not a troll - thus, my expectations of his play do not cater for posts like the above. As for an additional post regarding the same Sciberbia post, it was within my spoilered play-by-play analysis. On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote: Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said. This is a matter of interpretation. Sciberbia later comments that he thinks his "echo" statement is independant of alignment. Ultimately, my read on Sciberbia has changed as I have re-read the game. Again this is clear in my filter. My last public opinion was: On November 20 2013 17:10 Mocsta wrote: *snip* I have downgraded Scibs to null territory as I like his consistency. Curerntly I think I am misinterpreting his intentions. Maybe he genuinely does hate trolling, and I just haven't seen him like this before. Regarding the second part: Baseless scum calls on 3 players. Again I gave reasons for the 3 reasons. Sciberbia: As described above Aquanim: On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote: *snip* @Aquanim Why ask such a pointless, non-alignment indicative question. I understand some people view early trolling as part of the game, however, I would think you do not fall into this category. In fact, I would argue the above is completely out-of-character for a town Aquanim. Bereft: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. /QUOTE] One thing to keep in mind is that you are reading the thread delayed (page 5 to 13) thus it is easy for you to read and say I disagree. The key questions have been asked and there is more information to make an informed opinion. Whereas in my situation, everything is live and you have to evolve your position as posts come through. | ||
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Did you ask me this stuff because like Onegu you think I am scum; or, were they just items of interest to you? | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:39 LoneMeow wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 22:32 Mocsta wrote: 1. do you have an opinion on aquanim? 2. why is it an issue he only talks about sciberbia? who else was worth discussing at that point in time? 3. why is the town reads component not useful? 4. I don't get the point of the sentence with sciberbia. 1. I have slight town read on Aquanim. He seems to post his thought processes and they make sense. 2. Town tends to be more paranoid and suspect everyone. Also, it would be useful to engage in talk about other players because it helps figure out any possible connections later when we see players flip. 3. I'm not sure what you mean? My note was that this is a weird discussion: On November 20 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote: Fair enough. I would like to hear Aqua's reads if he's done dodging Rean (although to be fair to him as well he did mention Thrawn's vote as a town indicator for him). 4. The point is, I can't really understand how anyone could have such a strong scum read this early that he'd just tunnel that one person. Regarding #3: Thanks I misread. Regarding town players being paranoid and not early tunneling (due to suspecting each and everyone): Do you think either of the players went about the tunnel in a scummy way. (For example: baiting, misrepresenting posts, lying) Regarding Aquanim: I take it you do not agree with the Thrawn case. What do you make of Aquanim "fait accomplit" to not vote for Corazon and sit on the sidelines. Considering you have an expectation for town regarding early reads (being paranoid); what is your expectation for town during a shit-fight with votes being flung. | ||
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The below is kinda moot: but Im just trying to prove a point. A response is probably not required. I assume the answer is an implicit "YES", but what I would like to know is whether you agreed with Sciberbia comments based on the context they are referring to [red]at that point in time I see you think Sciberbia is being candid and communicating clearly, but that does not mean the actual content is good/truthful. For example: On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Is referring to: On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote: I get you think Corazon is scum etc based on pages 5 to 13.Moc obv town. Fuck da police! However, if the two quotes above are treated in isolation: do you think that 1 post from Corazon warrants the opinion/stance Sciberbia expressed? This also ties in with my quotes that prior you took issue with. [/b] | ||
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Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) | ||
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Quite a few have expressed concern over not being able to follow your thought process. Please explain how you went from Sciberbia is bad town -> Sciberbia is scummy. i.e. what triggers went in place for your read to upgrade from null -> scum. Please do not just supply quotes from filter, as clearly, they are being misinterpreted by a majority. Why am I confirmation biased (thus not scummy) for my "shitty casework? Onegu seems to disagree. + Show Spoiler + P.S: I did not know you had reading problems. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote: When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. Fair call. It was an interpretation from JJD that I did not think was absurd. A better example of what I am referring to is the jampidampi post sandwiched between us. | ||
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Rean can defend himself. Regarding your last criticism, to me it reads he is saying a small lean towards scum (regarding Aquanim)?? | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:19 cDgCorazon wrote: You mean the post where Jampi takes only two of my posts and tries to base my whole opinion on sciberia around them? Those posts were within my first 3-4 posts on the thread. I don't know where he is going with that. Matey, Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally. Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here. JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. | ||
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Corazon clearly states: it appears it is the latter Inferring DIRECTLY that Sciberbia is scummy for it. Previously: Corazon says to Scibs "On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game." I personally dont find this means Cora thinks the guy is "bad town". Its a statement that can be said to a town, null or even slightly scum read depending on your motive (i.e. to keep the peace) Still: Where is the confusion coming from? I thought my question was straight-laced??? | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK now I'm confused because I thought you were basically agreeing w/ me here: I agree that someone can come to that conclusion. I personally do not agree with it. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sorry to repost this again but wanted everyone to know what post we're all talking about since there seems to be some dispute:So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop. He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. This is twisting the facts. This is the post that *JJD* thinks is corazon caling scibs "bad town" Afterwards, he does the later post with rocking the boat suggest he is scummy. Like, as the accuser how can *you* get this incorrect JJD. | ||
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